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The problem is, when an object orbit (like moon orbit around the earth, and earth orbit around the sun, and the sun orbit around the universe) the relative speed to the master and slave is 0. That is the reason why the moon will not be out of Earth Orbit, and the Earth will not be out of the Sun orbit and the Sun will not be out of the Milky Way orbit. The gravitational pull is cancelled out.

Because if this is the other case, then the net movement of earth is positive or negative, and the relative speed is NOT cancelled out, the earth would have spin out of its orbit long ago and we would all be dead right now.

Movement and Orbit are two different concept. That is the point. And that is why we constantly see the moon at night after the sun, because their speed against the earth is unchanged when the earth rotate back to the same spot and finish a rotation (ie a day), otherwise the moon would not all over the place and most importantly of all, will not be in earth's orbit, and it would have been long gone, which basically violate the newton 3rd law of motion.

If the relative speed between 2 object is 0, then the objects did not move wrt each other. as Movement require a greater than 0 vector, while orbiting (a kind of circular motion) did not.

CORRECTION : I should say "That's why you can always see the moon"

Movement and orbit are two different thing. But just because an object in orbit does not mean that it’s not moving or not in motion. They are only in motionless relative to another object such as a geostationary satellite in “perfect” geostationary orbit. But both are still moving.

This is like two cars moving at 100 miles an hour next to each other. These two cars are next to each other and are static when compare to one another. But both are still moving in reality. Just like our sun and solar system and even our whole galaxy is moving and intercepting Andromeda.

As for the moon, the earth tides are pushing it away gradually. And eventually, it will leave the earths orbit if you give it enough time. So technically, there is no such thing as an infinite orbit. Only the short life span of men and even human existence that we regard planetary orbits as constant.
 
G'day mate

Please stop the childish argument and @antonius123 please stop with the personal insult, it does not improve your argument by insulting the other person and i cant really believe you two are still arguing

Can moderator close this thread?

Thank you

Davos


Please define the limitation of: "personal insult". I am willing to comply with your expectation.

And why gambit's and jhungary's posts are not considered "personal insult" toward me, while he (jhungary) has promissed to stop his debate 2 days ago, but then he came back and started with his "petty arguments" keep accusing me fraud directly or indirectly which was obviously a "personal insult" , while I am trying to focus debate on the object?
 
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Tell me how bernoulli's principle wont allow missile to do maneuver including h G maneuver, and why many missile do high G maneuver contrary to your stupid claim. :laugh:




LOLs. Moon change its position against earth, google it yourself .. go back to elementary school.

This guy even does not understand that earth rotation/spin has nothing to do with moon's evolution circling earth :lol:

You are still humiliating yourself by stupid ignorance and fraud :laugh:




LOL. What a moron explanation. Keep your stupid BS for yourself.:omghaha::omghaha:




LOLs. I bet you either never learn physics, or at best got very bad score during high school.

Why dont you bring evidence to support your physics and bust me if you can instead push your stupid fraud :lol:
The moon comment by him is so funny lol
 
Does that proof a missile can do high G turn?

Yes absolutely.

Control surface will create high G pull, especially in supersonic speed. The faster the higher G pull; the limitation is only material. This is so basic knowledge.

How much change it can get with this tiny winglet and canard? That IS the Bernoulli Principal. The larger the area of flight surface, the larger the "Lift" generate, because the alter of the airflow is greater, and lift is needed to do a High G turn, how does that tiny amount of winglet and canard

will be enough for high G turn.

Your diagram only supported missile can turn, a fact which I NEVER DENIED, but not pulling a HIGH G TURN.

So, your "graph" proofed NOTHING:omghaha::omghaha:

How come a "self proclaimed High IQ person" did not even know this?


Yes the diagram show missile can turn, thats the point, which is contrary to your claim that missile doesnt have control wing/surface like fighter which is LOL.

If it can turn, then it can do it in high G force if it does it in supersonic speed.

The point is: control surface + speed, that pull high G force. Very basic fluid mechanic lesson.


I asked the question first. But if you want to play that game, okay. Let's play.

If Moon move in any other way but orbit, the moon will be in the same planar or different planar movement across the universe. Which mean the position would be constant across the location you are observation. You WILL only see the moon once every 365 days (the time it need for the earth to orbit back to the same position)

And since the moon is constantly accelerating (the definition of movement in second law of motion) the moon would not be in the same orbit around the earth.


You will be trapped with your own silly game.

See my red bold words => that means moon's position keep changed. If it doesnt changed you will see moon on the position every days every minutes every second every 365 days.

And about the moon is constantly accelerating => LOLs. That is your own delusional physics.
If moon constantly accelerating then moon will move faster and faster until it get out from its orbit and move with speed approaching speed of light. And this obviously contrary to your other claim that moon doesn't move!:lol:

So, you had no answer

In another word, you have no answer?

Answer what? what is your question in this part?


LOL I thought you are going to debunk me? :omghaha::omghaha:

I have.


First of all you spell physcopath wrong

You made a lot misspell perhaps more that I did as far as I notice. But I am not interested with debate on typo error or spelling which is petty and non constructive debate. Just focus on the object of the debate.

Second of all, Newton define the definition. Any one of the requirement (Net Force, Mass, and Acceleration) have to be greater than 0 or F=MA would be 0, which mean no Net Force, no movement, no mass, no movement, and NO ACCERELATION, no movement.

For you. All I can say is

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL:omghaha::omghaha:


LOLs. That is totally error and stock of laugh :omghaha::omghaha:

F = MA = 0 means no net force is correct, but "no movement" is false!
F = 0 means: zero acceleration.
0 acceleration doesnt mean speed must be 0 either.
As long as the speed >0, then there is "change of position", means: the object is moving.

Motion is another word of movement in physics.

These all are basic junior high school physics. Please learn real physics first.

So, you have no answer?
:omghaha::omghaha:


You have been warned by many - to stop pushing your laughable physics which is a totally joke. But you never listen.
 
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G'day mate

Please stop the childish argument and @antonius123 please stop with the personal insult, it does not improve your argument by insulting the other person and i cant really believe you two are still arguing

Can moderator close this thread?

Thank you

Davos
G' day ,

You should not ask mods to close the thread as you know this means Gary lost . It looks bad on him when you jump in and give Antonius negative for his posts.
It's like mother jumping in when her child is losing a fight with another kid.
 
And Bernoulli Principal is an an idealization,not exists in real world.Fluid dynamics is very very complex,that's why we need All kinds of wind tunnels for text and text especially to high speed aircraft

Bernoulli Principal is an application to fluid dynamic, it is a law a physical properties MUST follow in order to make sense, it is not an optional extra....

And it did exist in real world, because that is coming from real life example. And that is going to be true until one can develop a counter argument via an actual example and experiment. And its looking pretty strong consider it has been 300 years since it is around and yet no one can provide a counter example.

Movement and orbit are two different thing. But just because an object in orbit does not mean that it’s not moving or not in motion. They are only in motionless relative to another object such as a geostationary satellite in “perfect” geostationary orbit. But both are still moving.

This is like two cars moving at 100 miles an hour next to each other. These two cars are next to each other and are static when compare to one another. But both are still moving in reality. Just like our sun and solar system and even our whole galaxy is moving and intercepting Andromeda.

As for the moon, the earth tides are pushing it away gradually. And eventually, it will leave the earths orbit if you give it enough time. So technically, there is no such thing as an infinite orbit. Only the short life span of men and even human existence that we regard planetary orbits as constant.

First of all

As I said, you can define "Move" by anything, if you define "move" by the meaning, it can mean movement, a kind of emotional expression, or relocation in layman term.

However, in physics, movement refer to movement in motion, which describe a motion of a body. Which mean a net force applies to an object and the object is move with certain speed at a certain direction (vectoring) and without any of the 3 (force, object, vector) there are no motion.

You cannot use two cars going at a constant speed and compare it to orbiting. Because one is linear motion while the other one is a circular motion. Those are different in circumstance, first of all, car can acceleration independently, while moon orbit is due to the weight and gravity of earth ALONE. Second of all, just because both car travelling at the same speed, it depend on how or where you put the frame of reference, it can be both uniform and non-uniform motion as well. Which mean the cars can be both "moving" and "not moving" at the same time

And finally, the term infinity does not applies to anything regarding to this universe, if we need to start an infinity theory, then we cannot deduce anything out of this current universe. Because if you have enough time, anything COULD change, the keyword is "Could" and that is because one can never know or never can know the certainty, and if your argument is "it MAY come and something MAY disproof it in the future" then no physics theory are acceptable because they can literally all be disproved IF a counter-event occurs, and the beauty of this game is, YOU MAY NEVER KNOW because no one live in infinity. Which render EVERY physics theory useless.

The universe itself is 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years old, and things according to the scientist have maintain the same order since the beginning of the universe. In this 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years, the earth continue to orbit the sun, and the moon continue to orbit the moon. Yes, human is just a speck of life in the universe, but 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years is also a very long time, and either we argue with CURRENT physics or we are not going to argue at all if we are talking about time in infinity.
 
However, in physics, movement refer to movement in motion, which describe a motion of a body. Which mean a net force applies to an object and the object is move with certain speed at a certain direction (vectoring) and without any of the 3 (force, object, vector) there are no motion.


Motion (physics)

In physics, motion is a change in position of an object over time. Motion is mathematically described in terms of displacement, distance, velocity, acceleration, time, and speed. Motion of a body is observed by attaching a frame of reference to an observer and measuring the change in position of the body relative to that frame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_(physics)

Keyword: "Change in Position"
 
Please define the limitation of: "personal insult". I am willing to comply with your expectation.

And why gambit's and jhungary's posts are not considered "personal insult" toward me, while he (jhungary) has promissed to stop his debate 2 days ago, but then he came back and started with his "petty arguments" keep accusing me fraud directly or indirectly which was obviously a "personal insult" , while I am trying to focus debate on the object?

lol, you actually do ask him what is your "insult"?

So, according to you, all your post before is okay? And this is how you normally talk?

I am going to take both Davos and Slav defence advice and stop my engagement to you. So you can reflect on what you have done wrong.

LOL:omghaha::omghaha:

PS. About the motion and orbit, even @faithfulguy said this

Movement and orbit are two different thing.

@antonius123, I did warn you about that idiot Jhungary. He goes by the principle that he needs to win the argument and it doesn't matter if his logic makes sense or not. That's how he is.

I would say, at this rate, the combine total of negative rating of all Chinese poster would have surpassed my positive rating...LOL

I don't need to win, in fact, I made a lot, A LOT of mistake, and I am gracefully enough to admit I am wrong if I am wrong. But if I am not, I am not

On the other hand. Someone is exactly behaving exactly like you said and that person is not me, guess who that is?
 
lol, you actually do ask him what is your "insult"?

So, according to you, all your post before is okay? And this is how you normally talk?

I am going to take both Davos and Slav defence advice and stop my engagement to you. So you can reflect on what you have done wrong.

LOL:omghaha::omghaha:


Talking about before, your post were less OK than mine as you bring disgraceful word : "dumbass" in this thread. Remember you are the holder of professional title but you started and drag me down to your level.

You finally withdraw because you know you were obviously unable to defense your physics anymore after get many scorn and warning to make you stop that joke, and become stock of laugh.

I don't need to win, in fact, I made a lot, A LOT of mistake, and I am gracefully enough to admit I am wrong if I am wrong. But if I am not, I am not

On the other hand. Someone is exactly behaving exactly like you said and that person is not me, guess who that is?


As usual your words are not inline with your action.

Would you be graceful enough to admit that your understanding of physics is a joke and become stock of laugh?
 
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Talking about before, your post were less OK than mine as you bring disgraceful word : "dumbass" in this thread. Remember you are the holder of professional title but you started and drag me down to your level.

According to Davos and the Mod, you started this first. As I said, I wasn't quoting you when I first come on this thread, nor was I actually insulting you when you and I are first engaging. I INSULTED YOU ONLY AFTER YOU INSULTED ME FIRST, and I have indeed said "using insult will not get you anywhere" to you and I believe your response is to say "What is my reputation" and laugh it off.

This is what Davos said in his original statement, and mod apparently agrees, otherwise his rating would not have sticked.

And did I drag you down to my level? Strange, I don't even know you have a level...

LOL:omghaha::omghaha::haha:
 
Bernoulli Principal is an application to fluid dynamic, it is a law a physical properties MUST follow in order to make sense, it is not an optional extra....

And it did exist in real world, because that is coming from real life example. And that is going to be true until one can develop a counter argument via an actual example and experiment. And its looking pretty strong consider it has been 300 years since it is around and yet no one can provide a counter example.



First of all

As I said, you can define "Move" by anything, if you define "move" by the meaning, it can mean movement, a kind of emotional expression, or relocation in layman term.

However, in physics, movement refer to movement in motion, which describe a motion of a body. Which mean a net force applies to an object and the object is move with certain speed at a certain direction (vectoring) and without any of the 3 (force, object, vector) there are no motion.

You cannot use two cars going at a constant speed and compare it to orbiting. Because one is linear motion while the other one is a circular motion. Those are different in circumstance, first of all, car can acceleration independently, while moon orbit is due to the weight and gravity of earth ALONE. Second of all, just because both car travelling at the same speed, it depend on how or where you put the frame of reference, it can be both uniform and non-uniform motion as well. Which mean the cars can be both "moving" and "not moving" at the same time

And finally, the term infinity does not applies to anything regarding to this universe, if we need to start an infinity theory, then we cannot deduce anything out of this current universe. Because if you have enough time, anything COULD change, the keyword is "Could" and that is because one can never know or never can know the certainty, and if your argument is "it MAY come and something MAY disproof it in the future" then no physics theory are acceptable because they can literally all be disproved IF a counter-event occurs, and the beauty of this game is, YOU MAY NEVER KNOW because no one live in infinity. Which render EVERY physics theory useless.

The universe itself is 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years old, and things according to the scientist have maintain the same order since the beginning of the universe. In this 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years, the earth continue to orbit the sun, and the moon continue to orbit the moon. Yes, human is just a speck of life in the universe, but 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years is also a very long time, and either we argue with CURRENT physics or we are not going to argue at all if we are talking about time in infinity.

I respect your knowledge in many defense and multicultural areas. But your disregard of facts when it comes to history of universe and cosmos is alarming. The last paragraph has many issues

“The universe itself is 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years old, and things according to the scientist have maintain the same order since the beginning of the universe. In this 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years, the earth continue to orbit the sun, and the moon continue to orbit the moon. Yes, human is just a speck of life in the universe, but 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years is also a very long time, and either we argue with CURRENT physics or we are not going to argue at all if we are talking about time in infinity.”

First of all, the law of universe immediately after the Big Bang is different from the law of universe today. This is a topic that is not well known but we know to be different from our limited knowledge. This is because we cannot use today’s general physical law to explain the Big Bang. And that as humans, we need to know what we don’t know.

2ndly, I’m perplex that you state that earth have been orbiting the sun since the beginning of universe. When earth itself is around 4 billion years old. And the moon was even created in a later time. So it’s not a matter of how long our life has been vs the history of the cosmos if we can’t get the facts straight.

3rdly, on how you and the other folks want to argue with current law of physics? The problem is that today’s physical laws are not complete enough to explain all we can observe. And we are falling further and further behind everyday until we have a break through in understanding. Furthermore, you seen to arguing within the bounds of Newton’s classical physical laws, when today’s general physical theory is Einstein’s law of general relativity. Which encompasses Newton’s laws and Special relativity. However, to debate physics, you need to know what you don’t know and also what the human race do not know. Otherwise, you should sticks with your combat experiences and your rich set of multicultural knowledge.
 
According to Davos and the Mod, you started this first. As I said, I wasn't quoting you when I first come on this thread, nor was I actually insulting you when you and I are first engaging. I INSULTED YOU ONLY AFTER YOU INSULTED ME FIRST, and I have indeed said "using insult will not get you anywhere" to you and I believe your response is to say "What is my reputation" and laugh it off.

This is what Davos said in his original statement, and mod apparently agrees, otherwise his rating would not have sticked.

Check again on page 9, this is your own post which started insulting other:
You need to get your head check. By the way, you spell frigate wrong.
then getting snowballing afterthat peaking up when you thrown "dumbass" word.

I know Davos is on your side, but could you remind me when mod has ever said I am the one who started this?

And did I drag you down to my level? Strange, I don't even know you have a level...

LOL:omghaha::omghaha::haha:


At least you should realize your own real level when you were debating disgracefully by persistently insist on petty debates, and using such word "dumbass" not to mention your claims which were nonsense even for junior high school student. :laugh:

@antonius123, I did warn you about that idiot Jhungary. He goes by the principle that he needs to win the argument and it doesn't matter if his logic makes sense or not. That's how he is.


Thanks.

I realized the consequence debating with him, but I thought there should be some one who is brave and persistent enough to bust him so that he would stop irresponsibly claiming nonsense and abusing his rating for that purpose and for his arrogance in the future.
 
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Motion (physics)

In physics, motion is a change in position of an object over time. Motion is mathematically described in terms of displacement, distance, velocity, acceleration, time, and speed. Motion of a body is observed by attaching a frame of reference to an observer and measuring the change in position of the body relative to that frame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_(physics)

Keyword: "Change in Position"
You are just like that Indian guy Mr. randomradio who can only post what he find on the Internet without understanding one whit of what the source says.

Twice now you dodged my challenge to your claimed 'aviation studies'. It was a question I created yrs ago to test my students/trainees on knowledge retention and understanding of basic aviation. So for you to claim to have 'aviation studies' and tried to use it to shut down others, and cannot answer a question about the area of claimed expertise, you are definitely exposed as a fraud and a liar. That is no insult but a statement of FACT.
 

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