The end of the deal, hopes, delusions and treasons

[yavar]

ایران سردار سرلشکر پاسدار محسن رضایی: ادامه برجام مرده و بی‌روح فایده ندارد؛ هیچ مذاکره‌ای نخواهیم داشت
Major Gen Mohsen Rezaei: there will be no further talks over JCPOA not even with European

 

[Blue In Green]

ایران سردار سرلشکر پاسدار محسن رضایی: ادامه برجام مرده و بی‌روح فایده ندارد؛ هیچ مذاکره‌ای نخواهیم داشت
Major Gen Mohsen Rezaei: there will be no further talks over JCPOA not even with European

What does this mean?

 

[yavar]

What does this mean?

it means there will be no renegotiation

 

[yavar]

Iran Ayatollah Khamenei: we rip JCPOA to pieces if U.S tears it up خامنه‌ای برجام را ریزریز می‌کنیم

 

[Draco.IMF]

Missile program will ‘expand & continue’ despite US pressure – Iran’s Revolutionary Guards

https://www.rt.com/news/407176-iran-missile-program-guards/

 

[raptor22]

What does this mean?

It's called nuclear deal , in this deal we have accepted some limitations,restrictions and more inspections over our nuclear program in order to have sanctions removed .. we have adhered to what we've agreed upon completely, it's what 8 IAEA reports say clearly .. but the other side of the deal not only has not committed to its part of deal and has put more sanctions on Iran now expect us to renegotiate the deal besides negotiations over our missile program and also regional issues.
Therefore Iran's stance is clear, no more negotiation over nuclear deal, either it would remain as it is and all sides would do their parts and all benefit or it would collapse. We can not adhere to the deal one-sidedly it's a two ways road, I mean it's "Iran & 5+1 deal" not solely "Iran deal". So if we can not benefit from the deal as it's written in the deal we see no need to remain in it.
And no negotiation over Iran missile program or regional issues.

 

[mohsen]

a briefing on what happened during the last weak:

White house published it's strategy against Iran and the deal and simultaneously violated the deal again by adding new sanctions against IRGC.
as expected Iranian reformist government didn't respond.

Trump's new strategy about the deal isn't to scrap it but to strengthen and enforce it, namely by inspecting the military sites. not only that, he asked U.S congress to prepare a new round of limitations for the end of the deal's temporary limitations;
It means not only Trump doesn't want to scrap the deal, but has plans to keep it without respecting U.S commitments.
Trump asks Congress to fix Iran deal's flaws - POLITICO


EU while superficially asking to preserve the deal, fully complied by the U.S new strategy:
declaration by the heads of state and government of france, germany and the UK on the U.S.’ Iran strategy - OFFICIAL STATEMENT
At the same time as we work to preserve the JCPoA, we share concerns about Iran’s ballistic missile programme and regional activities that also affect our European security interests. We stand ready to take further appropriate measures to address these issues in close cooperation with the US and all relevant partners.

France president was blunt enough to show the true face of EU:
France's Macron Urges IAEA to Ensure Strict Compliance of Iran Nuclear Deal - The New York Times


as it's clear, U.S and EU are playing the Bad cop/good cop again.
U.S threatens to scrap the deal to gain new concessions from traitors in Iran and to increase the risk of foreign investments in Iran, EU (which has violated the deal itself several times) asks to preserve the deal while is following the same U.S policies. their plan is to show themselves as the good people to later justify the further sanctions and violations of the deal.

In the end, what is left of the deal is just Iran's obligations which even trump wants to preserve, meanwhile Iranian traitors are repeating their B.S on not renegotiating the deal, while not responding to new sanction is in fact a new renegotiation and concession.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

a briefing on what happened during the last weak:

White house published it's strategy against Iran and the deal and simultaneously violated the deal again by adding new sanctions against IRGC.
as expected Iranian reformist government didn't respond.

Trump's new strategy about the deal isn't to scrap it but to strengthen and enforce it, namely by inspecting the military sites. not only that, he asked U.S congress to prepare a new round of limitations for the end of the deal's temporary limitations;
It means not only Trump doesn't want to scrap the deal, but has plans to keep it without respecting U.S commitments.
Trump asks Congress to fix Iran deal's flaws - POLITICO


EU while superficially asking to preserve the deal, fully complied by the U.S new strategy:
declaration by the heads of state and government of france, germany and the UK on the U.S.’ Iran strategy - OFFICIAL STATEMENT
At the same time as we work to preserve the JCPoA, we share concerns about Iran’s ballistic missile programme and regional activities that also affect our European security interests. We stand ready to take further appropriate measures to address these issues in close cooperation with the US and all relevant partners.

France president was blunt enough to show the true face of EU:
France's Macron Urges IAEA to Ensure Strict Compliance of Iran Nuclear Deal - The New York Times


as it's clear, U.S and EU are playing the Bad cop/good cop again.
U.S threatens to scrap the deal to gain new concessions from traitors in Iran and to increase the risk of foreign investments in Iran, EU (which has violated the deal itself several times) asks to preserve the deal while is following the same U.S policies. their plan is to show themselves as the good people to later justify the further sanctions and violations of the deal.

In the end, what is left of the deal is just Iran's obligations which even trump wants to preserve, meanwhile Iranian traitors are repeating their B.S on not renegotiating the deal, while not responding to new sanction is in fact a new renegotiation and concession.

How can you give guarantees for our european security interests? We wont allow Iran to have missiles that can reach our land.

Thats a reasonable interest, isnt it?

 

[mohsen]

How can you give guarantees for our european security interests? We wont allow Iran to have missiles that can reach our land.

Thats a reasonable interest, isnt it?

1. Your security or interest isn't part of the deal. that's what this thread is all about, so please stop your off topic comments.
2. It's funny that countries which have a large stockpile of nuclear weapons express their concern about our missiles.
we don't need missiles to reach Europe, we can annihilate your interests right in the middle east.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

1. Your security or interest isn't part of the deal. that's what this thread is all about, so please stop your off topic comments.
2. It's funny that countries which have a large stockpile of nuclear weapons express their concern about our missiles.
we don't need missiles to reach Europe, we can annihilate your interests right in the middle east.

This is not Off topic. Security interests are integral part of the deal. Missiles are part of a nuclear weapon. Thats the point. If you dont want nuclear weapons, you dont need missiles.

The Eu must secure the security of its citizens and a nuclear armed Iran is no option.

Iran suffered alot from sanctions. Since the sanctions got lifted, people in Iran had a better situation and they wont want lose that.

And be realistic, your leaders are not trusted in Europe. Thats where the concerns come from. When a president takes journailists as hostages so he can force the german foreign minister for a visit, ca such a regime be trusted?

 

[Stryker1982]

How can you give guarantees for our european security interests? We wont allow Iran to have missiles that can reach our land.

Thats a reasonable interest, isnt it?

Imao, Italy is now a target for Iran??? What are you smoking. You are not the target I can assure you my friend, Iranians are very fond of Italy. Your English buddies in the north might be though. Besides, Italy & Iran has no problems and any missile range increase is really for the sole reason of hitting U.S bases in Diego Garcia. But Iran has yet to increase missile range in the last 30 years.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Imao, Italy is now a target for Iran??? What are you smoking. You are not the target I can assure you my friend, Iranians are very fond of Italy. Your English buddies in the north might be though. Besides, Italy & Iran has no problems and any missile range increase is really for the sole reason of hitting U.S bases in Diego Garcia. But Iran has yet to increase missile range in the last 30 years.

Italy is member of EU. any attack on London is an attack against Rome. Thats also the core principle of NATO.

You can understand that it is not in our interest to allow Iran to have weapons that can hurt us? And with us i mean Europe.

If there are concerns regarding that, things should get renegotiated. We want something, we give something. Make a betetr deal for both sides.

 

[Hack-Hook]

How can you give guarantees for our european security interests? We wont allow Iran to have missiles that can reach our land.

Thats a reasonable interest, isnt it?

well sorry to inform you but sumar has a 2500 km of range and khuramshahr has a range of 2000km with a warhead of 1800kg now calculate how far it go with a lighter warhead.

you see bm-25 can effectively cover all italy

This is not Off topic. Security interests are integral part of the deal. Missiles are part of a nuclear weapon. Thats the point. If you dont want nuclear weapons, you dont need missiles.

The Eu must secure the security of its citizens and a nuclear armed Iran is no option.

Iran suffered alot from sanctions. Since the sanctions got lifted, people in Iran had a better situation and they wont want lose that.

And be realistic, your leaders are not trusted in Europe. Thats where the concerns come from. When a president takes journailists as hostages so he can force the german foreign minister for a visit, ca such a regime be trusted?

wrong you can put conventional warhead on top of a missile . a thermobaric warhead of 1800kg pretty much justify a 2000km missile from cost effective point even a high explosive warhead justify the missile if its precise enough to be used against high value targets .
and honestly i wonder why everyone evaluate what other people wants according to what himself wants.
and sadly for you your diplomats forgot to put missiles in jcopa, they were only worried for imaginary threat and forgot about the real deal

 

[raptor22]

How can you give guarantees for our european security interests? We wont allow Iran to have missiles that can reach our land.

Thats a reasonable interest, isnt it?

How You can guarantees our security interests? we have never attacked European countries but it was France, Germany and England that provided Saddam Hussain with weapons and chemical weapons. It was American and Europeans whom invaded Iran neighbors Iraq and Afghanistan, creating chaos in the region, it was MI6 and CIA which conducted military coup in Iran not vice versa... moreover when you would grantee our security interests about European countries missiles? or their nuclear weapons and arsenal?you know what most of European countries are known for their colonial ambitions and wars.
Even Federica Mogherini the representative of the European union agrees with us that the nuclear deal has nothing to do with Iran missile program if it had IAEA wouldn't certify Iran full compliance to the deal for 8 times while we were testing missiles the same for former and current American admisntrations.

 

[AUz]

How can you give guarantees for our european security interests? We wont allow Iran to have missiles that can reach our land.

Thats a reasonable interest, isnt it?

LOL, Iran already has the capability to bring European mainland within its missile range.

But why would Iran deploy missiles that can target Europe? Iran got no beef with European powers. Iranian competition is with Israel and Arabs for Middle Eastern power struggle. America becomes part of it bc she is the super power overseeing Middle East.

Where does irrelevant and mostly powerless European countries like Italy come into this?

Iran is far more powerful and consequential on world stage than 90% of European counties including Italy. These are just facts. Suck on em boy