The end of the deal, hopes, delusions and treasons

[ValerioAurelius]

well sorry to inform you but sumar has a 2500 km of range and khuramshahr has a range of 2000km with a warhead of 1800kg now calculate how far it go with a lighter warhead.

you see bm-25 can effectively cover all italy

wrong you can put conventional warhead on top of a missile . a thermobaric warhead of 1800kg pretty much justify a 2000km missile from cost effective point even a high explosive warhead justify the missile if its precise enough to be used against high value targets .
and honestly i wonder why everyone evaluate what other people wants according to what himself wants.
and sadly for you your diplomats forgot to put missiles in jcopa, they were only worried for imaginary threat and forgot about the real deal

Thats a theoretical range. We can intercept any Iranian rocket at any stage of flight. But we want that it stays that way and because of that we have to make sure, that Iran does not build rockets that could hurt us.

LOL, Iran already has the capability to bring European mainland within its missile range.

But why would Iran deploy missiles that can target Europe? Iran got no beef with European powers. Iranian competition is with Israel and Arabs for Middle Eastern power struggle. America becomes part of it bc she is the super power overseeing Middle East.

Where does irrelevant and mostly powerless European countries like Italy come into this?

Iran is far more powerful and consequential on world stage than 90% of European counties including Italy. These are just facts. Suck on em boy

Italy is a G7 nation. The city of Milano alone holds more economic power than Iran. That said you are on ihmore now. I dont bother with such rubbish anylonger

How You can guarantees our security interests? we have never attacked European countries but it was France, Germany and England that provided Saddam Hussain with weapons and chemical weapons. It was American and Europeans whom invaded Iran neighbors Iraq and Afghanistan, creating chaos in the region, it was MI6 and CIA which conducted military coup in Iran not vice versa... moreover when you would grantee our security interests about European countries missiles? or their nuclear weapons and arsenal?you know what most of European countries are known for their colonial ambitions and wars.
Even Federica Mogherini the representative of the European union agrees with us that the nuclear deal has nothing to do with Iran missile program if it had IAEA wouldn't certify Iran full compliance to the deal for 8 times while we were testing missiles the same for former and current American admisntrations.

The same Federica Mogherini says in our TV, that the missile program is unacceptable.

Look, we can make deals with Iran but under clear conditions. No weapons that can touch us. If Iran accepts that, we can find a deal.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Thats a theoretical range. We can intercept any Iranian rocket at any stage of flight. But we want that it stays that way and because of that we have to make sure, that Iran does not build rockets that could hurt us.



Italy is a G7 nation. The city of Milano alone holds more economic power than Iran. That said you are on ihmore now. I dont bother with such rubbish anylonger



The same Federica Mogherini says in our TV, that the missile program is unacceptable.

Look, we can make deals with Iran but under clear conditions. No weapons that can touch us. If Iran accepts that, we can find a deal.

well we have weapons that can touch you . so why you made a deal with us ?

 

[raptor22]

Thats a theoretical range. We can intercept any Iranian rocket at any stage of flight. But we want that it stays that way and because of that we have to make sure, that Iran does not build rockets that could hurt us.



Italy is a G7 nation. The city of Milano alone holds more economic power than Iran. That said you are on ihmore now. I dont bother with such rubbish anylonger



The same Federica Mogherini says in our TV, that the missile program is unacceptable.

Look, we can make deals with Iran but under clear conditions. No weapons that can touch us. If Iran accepts that, we can find a deal.

And our politicians made it clear it's not none of her beeswax or anyone else on Iran national telly, Mogherini has no permission to talk on behalf of Iranian people, she's entitled just to talk on behalf of the European nations and people. Iran missile program isn't against any international law or security council resolution and Iran has an absolute right to pursue what it takes to defend itself and we will continue our missile program or any other conventional military activities to strengthen our defensive capabilities to prevent any war, history shows some countries just comprehend the language of power. If you want to see clear conditions, you should start from European nuclear and missile arsenals.
And you have already had a deal, so either you gonna adhere to it like civilized respectful partner or all nations would see once more time where is the roots of the world's problems.

 

[Parsipride]

Future of JCPOA In Hands of GOP Indebted To Billionaire Iran Hawks
by Eli Clifton

President Donald Trump’s decision to decertify the Iran nuclear deal, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), appears to have fallen in line with the views espoused by several of his top donors. These funders believe that Iran poses an apocalyptic threat only addressable through military action, including the use of nuclear weapons.

Two years ago, every Republican in Congress opposed the JCPOA. With the future of the agreement now in the hands of a GOP-controlled House and Senate, those same billionaire Iran hawks may hold a powerful influence over any Republican lawmaker contemplating voting against legislation designed to harm the JCPOA.

Indeed, the influence of these key donors—Sheldon Adelson, Bernard Marcus, and Paul Singer—over U.S. foreign policy, particularly with regards to Iran, doesn’t stop at the White House, where combined they contributed over $40 million to various pro-Trump political groups and causes.

Those three donors also contributed $65 million at the congressional level. That represents nearly half of the individual contributions made to the Senate Leadership Fund (CLF) and Congressional Leadership Fund(CLF), Super PACs dedicated to maintaining Republican majorities in the House and Senate. Those contributions provide a considerable incentive for Hill Republicans to stake out a hawkish position on the JCPOA.

Trump’s decision to punt the decision to Congress about whether to reimpose sanctions or attempt to unilaterally rewrite the JCPOA, a multilateral agreement, threatens to unravel the nuclear deal and/or put the U.S. into noncompliance with the accord.

Republican members of Congress owe a great deal to the CLF and the SLF. In the 2016 election cycle the two GOP Super PACs were some of the biggest sources of independent expenditures in House and Senate races. The SLF was the biggest spender in the 2016 election cycle after Priorities USA Action (a Hillary Clinton-supporting Super PAC) and Right to Rise USA (a Jeb Bush-supporting Super PAC).

The CLF raised $50 million in individual contributions and the SLF raised $90 million in individual contributions in the past election cycle. That is in no small part thanks to Adelson, Marcus, and Singer, three of the Republican Party’s biggest donors. They also provide millions in funding to hawkish think tanks like the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), which regularly promotes military intervention against Iran. Adelson and Marcus, in particular, have been outspoken in their opposition to the JCPOA and expressing their extreme hostility toward Iran.

Adelson, who actually suggested firing a nuclear weapon at Iran as a negotiating tactic, alongside his wife, Miriam, are the biggest overall donors to both the CLF and SLF as well as Trump’s largest campaign donor. They contributed $20 million to the CLF and $35 million to the SLF. Adelson, via John Bolton, may have helped inject language into Trump’s speech last week decertifying the JCPOA. Politico reported (my emphasis):

The line was added to Trump’s speech after Bolton, despite Kelly’s recent edict [limiting Bolton’s access to Trump], reached the president by phone on Thursday afternoon from Las Vegas, where Bolton was visiting with Republican megadonor Sheldon Adelson. Bolton urged Trump to include a line in his remarks noting that he reserved the right to scrap the agreement entirely, according to two sources familiar with the conversation.



Trump wound up saying that the agreement “is under continuous review, and our participation can be canceled by me, as president, at any time.” Bolton declined to comment on any conversation with the president.

Singer, who was the second largest source of funds supporting Sen. Tom Cotton’s (R-AR) campaign, contributed $1.9 million to the CLF and $6 million to the SLF.

Cotton, an outspoken critic of the Iran deal and proponent of pursuing a regime-change strategy in Iran, reportedly advised the White House on decertifying the agreement. He is the cosponsor of legislation that would institute automatic reinstatement of sanctions if Iran comes within a year of a nuclear weapons capability and eliminates the JCPOA’s sunset clauses, effectively rewriting the agreement and potentially putting the U.S. in violation of the accord.

Marcus contributed $500,000 to the CLF and $2 million to the SLF. He is Trump’s second biggest campaign donor after the Adelsons and contributes tens of millions of dollars to FDD and other groups opposing the JCPOA.

In a 2015 Fox Business interview, he compared the JCPOA to “do[ing] business with the devil” and, in case he wasn’t clear about who “the devil” was in his metaphor, clarified “I think Iran is the devil.”

Adelson, Singer, and Marcus’s combined contributions account for 44% of individual contributions received by the CLF and 47% of those received by the SLF. Marcus and Singer are already spending on the SLF for the 2018 cycle. Singer contributed $1 million and Marcus contributed $2 million, providing over a quarter of the $11.13 million the Super PAC has raised for the coming election.


The only thing that will show continuous growth in the American establishment is corruption.

 

[raptor22]

Mogherini can talk about Iran in Europe. Thats her right as secretary of foreign relations.

This missile program is not defensive but offensive. It is not acceptable that a 3rd party obtains weapons that are able to hurt the civilized world.

We have a deal and thats fine. But we want an additional deal. That can also mean that we will offer more. Evrything has a price. Irans youths wants more freedom. And we can help regarding that. Some sanctions dropped. And i´m sure there can be more we can do.

What you mean by 3rd party?

 

[SOHEIL]

Mogherini can talk about Iran in Europe. Thats her right as secretary of foreign relations.

This missile program is not defensive but offensive. It is not acceptable that a 3rd party obtains weapons that are able to hurt the civilized world.

We have a deal and thats fine. But we want an additional deal. That can also mean that we will offer more. Evrything has a price. Irans youths wants more freedom. And we can help regarding that. Some sanctions dropped. And i´m sure there can be more we can do.

 

[raptor22]

A country outside our value system.

Mogherini can talk about Iran in Europe but not against other counties internal affairs or international law. and I can assure you our own value system does accept Iran missile program, you could change yours. Iran missile program is defensive, we've never used our missile unless in self-defense first time against Sadam Hussain armed and supported by civilized European countries and second time against isis a terrorist group which is the result of the western countries intelligence services and their irresponsibility therefor it's indeed a defensive one.
And what kind of civilized word is this that can not even honor its agreements? what kind of civilization we talk about? and I am sorry unlike you not everything is for sale over here.

 

[AmirPatriot]

A country outside our value system.

You really are a piece of work...

 

[Gothic]

end of the deal ? there's no end to stupidity , like Einstein once famously quoted , two things are endless stupidity and how iran falls for america

 

[SOHEIL]

Iran is a theocracy. The iranian system is alien for us. Thats a matter of fact. There is little to no trust.

We see this as security risk, no matter if you like this or not.

We have the same feeling about western countries !!!

You killed millions of each other in WW I/II !!!

 

[Gothic]

NOT TO MENTION THE MILLIONS OF PERSIANS YOU KILLED IN WW I !

 

[Stryker1982]

NOT TO MENTION THE MILLIONS OF PERSIANS YOU KILLED IN WW I !

Not the Italians though.

If anyone been more violent and murderous its the Europeans, just look at the death count from 1900-1991. Incomparable with the rest of the world.

 

[SOHEIL]

Good then. When you have the same feeling towards us it proves me right nd shows you understand.

So our diplomats will sit down and make a deal removing those concerns.

We killed millions of each other all of time. And you did the same and still do. Unfortunately killing is something we humans are best in.

You end the missile program and we offer something in return.

If you stop firing missiles into space we can talk about that !

VEGA based on ICBM technology and a huge concern to humanity ...

 

[AmirPatriot]

Iran is a theocracy. The iranian system is alien for us. Thats a matter of fact. There is little to no trust.

We see this as security risk, no matter if you like this or not.

You guys killed millions of each other and dragged the rest of the world into it... you are a security risk even to your own fellow Europeans, let alone Iran.

Frankly we in Iran don't give a shit what you jokers think about us. We will defend ourselves whatever way we want. That way, when you dangerous people start another world war, we will at least be able to guarantee our neutrality. So you can take your "deal" and shove it up Mussolini's asshole, we don't compromise on our ability to defend ourselves from western aggressors.

 

[mohsen]

please if you want to feed the trolls, at least do it in the proper threads.