The end of the deal, hopes, delusions and treasons

[zectech]

putins aim is at getting enemies of bibi to be viewed like Saddam or Osama around the world. putin does not want Assad close to the West. Does not want Iran to trade with the West. putin wants bibis enemies to be under sanctions, which russia supported. putin is owned by the bushes, the bushes looted Russia under Yeltsin and still own the industries of Russia. putin admits to having a khazar grandmother. I have stated before that putin did not enter Syria to help Assad, putin went into Syria to destroy that which threatened bibi. Obama refused to take out militarily: ISIS. Here is another reason that goes against the interests of the MENA for Russian involvement in Syria.

putin is controlled by the banksters, yet is controlled by the nazi faction. The whole neo-nazi movement was taken over by the cia with cia trump, cia bitcoins, cia Qanon, cia controlled opposition, cia psy-ops, cia etc. Here is the current status of the far Reichers:

Putin Is 'Grand Godfather of Extreme Nationalism' – Clinton

U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton called Russian President Vladimir Putin the “grand godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism,” speaking at a campaign event in Nevada.The former U.S.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Netanyahu's Unholy Alliance With Europe's 'Anti-Semitic' Far Right - Newsweek

Europe's nationalist parties are rushing to support formerly reviled Israel as an ally against the 'scourge' of Islamisation.

www.newsweek.com

Russia was supportive of trump getting into the white house. RT is 100% pro-trump. trump promoted Bush allies to federal reserve.

The Fed’s Chair and Vice Chair Got Rich at Carlyle Group, a Private Equity Fund with a String of Bankruptcies and Job Losses

By Pam Martens and Russ Martens: May 18, 2020 ~ Private equity funds have been variously called “merchants of debt,” “vultures,” or “corporate raiders.”

wallstreetonparade.com

Why care about the dirty laundry of : Netanyahu-Bush-trump-carlyle group-putin-yeltsin-cia-fsb-Russia-USA alliance.

Don't get involved in Carlyle Group (Russia) fighting against neo-liberals (US).

Russia was happy China was trumps enemy.

Russia was happy with Iran sanctions and weapons ban.

putin is part of the US strategy to pick off one free country at a time, while putin pretend to be the friend of that country. And it is the Republicans that start the wars and are the War Party. The Dems continue the policy of the Republicans.

The JCPOA was a coup against the cia war plans on Iran. And trump was putins coup on the JCPOA. putin tried to coup the JCPOA several times for bibi and the cia.

Here is trumps connection to the cia back in the 1980s:

Ever head of "good cop" and "bad cop" technique.

BTW, hillary wanted to lose to trump. Clintons and Bushes are controlled by the cia. biden wanted to lose to trump. both are cia assets. Obama was a cia asset. The Democratic nomination process is controlled by zionists to prevent somebody like Mike Gravel or Andrew Yang from getting in. Instead you get hillary rigged in and biden picked by the zionist media. The Democratic zionist Party goal is to get the warmongering Republicans to beat the Democrats in elections. Dems are there to lose. As putin is there to lose to Washington. If you control both sides then have putin pick Iran to lose. Or have Dems pick hillary to lose.

putin is no Russian nationalist. putin is the cia asset to keep Russian nationalism at bay, to fool the Russians to support a cia troll. And the candidates against putin are Western controlled too. Russia is in terrible shape politically. The US did not see the USSR collapse and let Russia be free and prosperous. Russia is merely some card in the Oligarchs card game. And putin keeps it that way.

President Medvedev stated, that Russia's first President Yeltsin did not actually win re-election in 1996 for his second term. Everybody knows this, because that Russian communist candidate in 1996 was not controlled. Russia would have been free in 1996, had the cia not rigged the election for cia asset Yeltsin.

 

[T-SaGe]

I would suspect Saudi Arabia and Turkey would attempt to go the plutonium route if Iran were to get the bomb one day.

Turkey is bound by international agreements on this matter and has been given all kinds of supervisory powers. You may even remember that at the very beginning of the Iran-USA talks: there was a proposal to make Iran's enriched uranium swap could be held in Turkey. Because Turkey had given all its supervisory powers. Signing this shameful agreement, Abdullah Gül presented it to the country as a historical agreement.

Within the framework of these types of agreements, we swap enriched uranium (HEU) with the USA at regular intervals. The last open-source information on this subject was in 2012; Turkey handed over its HEU -at a level that can be used in the development of nuclear weapons- to the US and swapped for lower enriched uranium for nuclear research.

Even if there are such works, it is obvious that it suffers great damage due to the FETO structure. Different branches of the same structure have tried to prevent Turkey from even accessing nuclear energy since the 1960s. Even the Akkuyu NPP you see today is the result of a struggle that dates back to the early 1970s.

In some leaked documents by the US, it is mentioned that Turkey did not take any action to develop nuclear arming on this issue but tried to reach a feasible technical level. When you chronically examine the US effects, political changes, and military intervention attempts in Turkey since the 1999 earthquake, you can also find clues about this issue. Years later, officials or close news circles to the German Federal Ministry of Defense also published some documents on the developments in Turkey on this issue, these leak series have covered the agreement between Turkey and Russia too, which claimed that some legal and infrastructure deficiencies. Even, One of the main topics of discussion after the US-backed failed coup attempt was the closure of accessing of Turkey for approximately 60-70 tactical nuclear bombs in NATO's arsenal, and even the removal of the facility to the out of Turkey.

I do not know much about the situation of KSA, but I must briefly say that Turkey cannot achieve this easily, There are too many preventive barriers. Also Iran's struggle to accesing nuclear arming is a very instructive example for us in terms of showing the shortcomings that Turkey must eliminate without being subject to international isolation.

 

[TheImmortal]

Turkey is bound by international agreements on this matter and has been given all kinds of supervisory powers. You may even remember that at the very beginning of the Iran-USA talks: there was a proposal to make Iran's enriched uranium swap could be held in Turkey. Because Turkey had given all its supervisory powers. Signing this shameful agreement, Abdullah Gül presented it to the country as a historical agreement.

Within the framework of these types of agreements, we swap enriched uranium (HEU) with the USA at regular intervals. The last open-source information on this subject was in 2012; Turkey handed over its HEU -at a level that can be used in the development of nuclear weapons- to the US and swapped for lower enriched uranium for nuclear research.

Even if there are such works, it is obvious that it suffers great damage due to the FETO structure. Different branches of the same structure have tried to prevent Turkey from even accessing nuclear energy since the 1960s. Even the Akkuyu NPP you see today is the result of a struggle that dates back to the early 1970s.

In some leaked documents by the US, it is mentioned that Turkey did not take any action to develop nuclear arming on this issue but tried to reach a feasible technical level. When you chronically examine the US effects, political changes, and military intervention attempts in Turkey since the 1999 earthquake, you can also find clues about this issue. Years later, officials or close news circles to the German Federal Ministry of Defense also published some documents on the developments in Turkey on this issue, these leak series have covered the agreement between Turkey and Russia too, which claimed that some legal and infrastructure deficiencies. Even, One of the main topics of discussion after the US-backed failed coup attempt was the closure of accessing of Turkey for approximately 60-70 tactical nuclear bombs in NATO's arsenal, and even the removal of the facility to the out of Turkey.

I do not know much about the situation of KSA, but I must briefly say that Turkey cannot achieve this easily, There are too many preventive barriers. Also Iran's struggle to accesing nuclear arming is a very instructive example for us in terms of showing the shortcomings that Turkey must eliminate without being subject to international isolation.

The issue is Russia and China would be more than willing to help the Turkish nuclear program just as Russia has already offered its 5th gen fighter to Turkey and gave it S-400. Meanwhile it refuses to give Iran even SU-30 and it took a lawsuit to receive S-300 it had paid for.

My point: If providing Turkey with centrifuge and nuclear technology would pull Turkey out of NATO orbit Russia would do it. Because Turkey supplies the most soldiers to NATO and it no longer being aligned with NATO would be a huge boon for Russia.

Also Turks are way too proud of a people (maybe even arrogant) to accept not having the bomb when the other two none Arab races (Israelis and Persians) both do.

So I wouldn’t brush it off completely.

 

[Arian]

Incorrect.

The first nuclear bomb was plutonium based while the first nuclear reactor using uranium for electricity was not opened till 1951—6 years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs dropped and 12 years after start of Manhattan project.

Now a days reactors like Iran’s Arak (original design) could use natural uranium instead of enriched uranium, rendering your point invalid.

Thus if you simply wanted to get 5-10 nuclear bombs, you would look at building a nuclear reactor using either graphite or natural uranium and separate the plutonium. Rather than mastering the entire nuclear fuel cycle and building an industrial enrichment plant like Iran did. After all, Pakistan went the uranium route using 1,000-2,000 P-2.

Syria was merely after a nuclear deterrence. I would suspect Saudi Arabia and Turkey would attempt to go the plutonium route if Iran were to get the bomb one day. Saudi Arabia already attempting to enrich uranium itself. But going from .7 to 90% uranium is a lot harder than going from 60% plutonium (from a reactor) to 93%+

Wrong. The first nuclear explosion was plutonium based, the first nuclear bomb was a uranium bomb called Little Boy and it used 64 kilograms of highly enriched uranium. The world's first nuclear reactor was designed by Enrico Fermi and it was built in 1942, three years before the world's first nuclear explosion using. It used natural uranium. You cannot acquire plutonium without bombarding uranium with a high flux of neutrons. If you know a way of obtaining plutonium without having a flux of neutrons, go ahead and say it.

Heavy water reactors usually use natural uranium. I don't see how that renders my point invalid though? How can you use natural uranium without mining it first? lol

Read my post again. You sound terribly confused about it. The infrastructure needed for going the plutonium route cannot be kept secret without a coverup civilian program. There is no justification for the plutonium route. And as soon as they find out you're going that route, you will be bombed back to the stone age. Iran's nuclear program was referred to the UN Security Council over only research level (milligrams) of plutonium reprocessing as I said earlier.

 

[TheImmortal]

Wrong. The first nuclear explosion was plutonium based, the first nuclear bomb was a uranium bomb called Little Boy and it used 64 kilograms of highly enriched uranium. The world's first nuclear reactor was designed by Enrico Fermi and it was built in 1942, three years before the world's first nuclear explosion using. It used natural uranium. You cannot acquire plutonium without bombarding uranium with a high flux of neutrons. If you know a way of obtaining plutonium without having a flux of neutrons, go ahead and say it.

Heavy water reactors usually use natural uranium. I don't see how that renders my point invalid though? How can you use natural uranium without mining it first? lol

Read my post again. You sound terribly confused about it. The infrastructure needed for going the plutonium route cannot be kept secret without a coverup civilian program. There is no justification for the plutonium route. And as soon as they find out you're going that route, you will be bombed back to the stone age. Iran's nuclear program was referred to the UN Security Council over only research level (milligrams) of plutonium reprocessing as I said earlier.

I clearly said the worlds first reactor designed to produce (net positive) electricity not first reactor. Since you say you need a civilian program to power the plutonium route, it is not true.

And since the natural uranium point is confusing you, I will clarify it isn’t if (mined) uranium is needed but heavily enriched uranium. Mined Uranium can be bought from around the world. Iran bought some from Africa in the 90’s before discovering its own mines.

Like I said a heavy water reactor using natural uranium pile or graphite pile can be used to extract plutonium. Removing the need for a civilian nuclear program to have enriched uranium piles used like for example Busheher uses enriched uranium piles (fuel rods to be specific).

So yes it can be done and it is relatively easy to hide. Syrian program was infiltrated from within just as Iran’s program has been infiltrated from within. It wasn’t exposed from satellite imagery or anything of the sort. A satellite passing by wouldnt think anything of that site.

And again even if one were to go the uranium route you don’t need a civilian nuclear program to do it. US didn’t have a civilian nuclear program in place outside of research purposes when it went for the bomb, the Nazi’s didn’t think it was possible or worth exploring or else they would have won the war. 2,000 P2’s (IR-2s) can be relatively hidden in underground facility and enrich without detection. So even uranium route is not difficult.

Btw the Iranian nuclear program wasn’t truly hidden, you can find reports in congress about Iranian nuclear proliferation attempts dating back to the 90’s. So it wasn’t like the world didn’t know Iran was developing a nuclear program. Once Iraq fell (2003), the eyes of the West naturally turned to Iran and they used the “newly discovered” nuclear program as an excuse to have another war (hence why Iran’s nuclear weapons program officially stopped around 2003).

 

[Arian]

I clearly said the worlds first reactor designed to produce (net positive) electricity not first reactor. Since you say you need a civilian program to power the plutonium route, it is not true.

And since the natural uranium point is confusing you, I will clarify it isn’t if (mined) uranium is needed but heavily enriched uranium. Mined Uranium can be bought from around the world. Iran bought some from Africa in the 90’s before discovering its own mines.

Like I said a heavy water reactor using natural uranium pile or graphite pile can be used to extract plutonium. Removing the need for a civilian nuclear program to have enriched uranium piles used like for example Busheher uses enriched uranium piles (fuel rods to be specific).

So yes it can be done and it is relatively easy to hide. Syrian program was infiltrated from within just as Iran’s program has been infiltrated from within. It wasn’t exposed from satellite imagery or anything of the sort. A satellite passing by wouldnt think anything of that site.

And again even if one were to go the uranium route you don’t need a civilian nuclear program to do it. US didn’t have a civilian nuclear program in place outside of research purposes when it went for the bomb, the Nazi’s didn’t think it was possible or worth exploring or else they would have won the war. 2,000 P2’s (IR-2s) can be relatively hidden in underground facility and enrich without detection. So even uranium route is not difficult.

Btw the Iranian nuclear program wasn’t truly hidden, you can find reports in congress about Iranian nuclear proliferation attempts dating back to the 90’s. So it wasn’t like the world didn’t know Iran was developing a nuclear program. Once Iraq fell (2003), the eyes of the West naturally turned to Iran and they used the “newly discovered” nuclear program as an excuse to have another war (hence why Iran’s nuclear weapons program officially stopped around 2003).

You haven't answered my question. Your post is full of repeating yourself which lacks technical depth and which doesn't address anything useful to be honest. How do you plan to acquire plutonium without bombarding uranium with a flux of neutrons? And where are you going to get a powerful beam of neutrons in the order of 10^(27) without an operational nuclear reactor?

As for importing uranium, Iran did that as a member of the NPT. Russia sold us tonnes of natural uranium under the JCPOA. Argentina also helped us with the conversion of the Tehran Research Reactor and provided us with enough 20% enriched uranium to run it for more than a decade. So what? It was all legal under the supervision of the IAEA, with every gram of it reported to the agency. How is that relevant to a clandestine military program that you're talking about? The USA provided us with 93% enriched uranium for the Tehran Research Reactor for decades. So, yes, you can buy even 93% enriched uranium in the market under the supervision of the IAEA.

 

[Menschmaschine]

It did have a cooling pump.

It says "possible" which of course means it could be anything

Here you are wrong again. Most countries that want a secret nuclear weapons program will go the plutonium route not uranium. North Korea and Israel went that route.

Arak Reactor could have made enough plutonium for 2-3 nuclear bombs and was relatively small area and easier to hide (not that Iran tried to hide it) vs trying to hide something like a Natanz.

It seems that you still live about half a century in the past regarding uranium enrichment. The Plutonium route might indeed have been easier when Uranium enrichment had to be done in giant gaseous diffusion plants that gobbled up insane amounts of electricity. But centrifuges that need a much lower footprint and use less than 5% of the energy for the same amount of enrichment very much changed that. Consider the following facts:

- Amount of weapon grade Uranium needed for a nuclear weapon is about 15kg.
- Enrichment capacity of about 160 SWU/year needed for production of 1 kg of weapon grade Uranium
- Enrichment capacity of a P-2/IR-2m type centrifuge is about 5 SWU/year

That means that even a quite small plant with only 2000 centrifuges like the North Korean one is able to enrich enough Uranium for 4 weapons per year. It is not possible to distinguish such a plant from the outside from any other industrial building even if no particular efforts at concealment are made, as was shown by the fact that the Yongbyong enrichment plant was not identified until it was revealed by the North Koreans themselves. Natanz could only be identified due to its vast size - it has space for more than 50,000 centrifuges - and due to the fact that it is built subterrean, which you would of course not do with any normal building. Which of course is another advantage of centrifuges, you can put them in safe underground facilities, something that would be very difficult to do with a reactor.

The Israeli program already started in the 50/60s, at that time of course the Plutonium route was more attractive (There are claims that they later also used centrifuges) As for North Korea, they started with Plutonium because the reactor was available when they started manufacturing warheads, in contrast to centrifuges. However, according to satellite observations there has been little activity with the reactor for the last decade or so, indicating that North Korea now relies on Uranium enrichment for its nuclear arms.

To conclude, the story would have been - very slightly! - less implausible if they would have claimed to have destroyed a centrifuge enrichment plant but a reactor of course sounds more dramatic.

 

[yavar]

For all those were still think that Iran is given up and United States has it stopped IRI technological advances in nuclear.............

Iran seeks tech in Sweden for nuclear weapons - Swedish intel. report

Iran seeks tech in Sweden for nuclear weapons - Swedish intel. report

Iran, China and Russia are the biggest security threats to Sweden

www.jpost.com

I add here to Complete the article the technologies which are IRI are I trying to steal are mainly used for upgrade to generation of nuclear w.......
These technologies are only usable for a greater generation and it is very high-tech .
IRI has decided since it requires massive amount of money in investment to cut the cost and steal the technology so we can manage the nuclear budget witches if you want my opinion the biggest budget I’m going in the country
Such technologies can be only secured from Germany or Russian Federation

 

[NightStrike]

Iran most likely already has 10-20 warheads. Israel knows this and so the game has been an economic war under the guise of preventing a nuclear Iran.

For all those were still think that Iran is given up and United States has it stopped IRI technological advances in nuclear.............

Iran seeks tech in Sweden for nuclear weapons - Swedish intel. report

Iran seeks tech in Sweden for nuclear weapons - Swedish intel. report

Iran, China and Russia are the biggest security threats to Sweden

www.jpost.com

I add here to Complete the article the technologies which are IRI are I trying to steal are mainly used for upgrade to generation of nuclear w.......
These technologies are only usable for a greater generation and it is very high-tech .
IRI has decided since it requires massive amount of money in investment to cut the cost and steal the technology so we can manage the nuclear budget witches if you want my opinion the biggest budget I’m going in the country
Such technologies can be only secured from Germany or Russian Federation

 

[TheImmortal]

Iran most likely already has 10-20 warheads. Israel knows this and so the game has been an economic war under the guise of preventing a nuclear Iran.

source: trust me bro

 

[Stryker1982]

source: trust me bro

I want to believe, but I can't.

 

[NightStrike]

source: trust me bro

Apparently some here think Iran has been making triple uranium layer cakes to sell the last 20 years. In my opinion negotiating the civilian program is just a pathway to a more normal economy without weapons disclosure.

 

[Draco.IMF]

For all those were still think that Iran is given up and United States has it stopped IRI technological advances in nuclear.............

Iran seeks tech in Sweden for nuclear weapons - Swedish intel. report

Iran seeks tech in Sweden for nuclear weapons - Swedish intel. report

Iran, China and Russia are the biggest security threats to Sweden

www.jpost.com

I add here to Complete the article the technologies which are IRI are I trying to steal are mainly used for upgrade to generation of nuclear w.......
These technologies are only usable for a greater generation and it is very high-tech .
IRI has decided since it requires massive amount of money in investment to cut the cost and steal the technology so we can manage the nuclear budget witches if you want my opinion the biggest budget I’m going in the country
Such technologies can be only secured from Germany or Russian Federation

didnt know Sweden has high-tech in nuclear field, but I know they make good subs

 

[mohsen]

Apparently some here think Iran has been making triple uranium layer cakes to sell the last 20 years. In my opinion negotiating the civilian program is just a pathway to a more normal economy without weapons disclosure.

Sole use of nuclear weapon is deterrence and it wont be achieved without announcing it.

As our leader said, if we wanted the bomb, nobody could have stopped us.

 

[aryobarzan]

Iran most likely already has 10-20 warheads. Israel knows this and so the game has been an economic war under the guise of preventing a nuclear Iran.

Fully in agreement with you....this is like UFOs ..you either believe in it from "rational" thinking or deny it until you actually see it..

my "rational" thinking...you do not spend billions of $$ and 30 years of hardship just to show a shiny Uranium metal in your hand...

PS: not there about UFOs..lol