The delusion of identity

[Umair Nawaz]

What do you think about IVC.

Ancient History not Appreciated by Pakistanis?

visit this thread.

 

[Hermione]

Historically every region has been conquered by foreigners yet no one has developed a caste system in response to it that discriminates against their own like the one hindus have developed. Your invasion excuse is a joke you want to spread to white wash the evil a segment of your society committed against another segment of your own people. True British codified many of your religious practices but they were exactly that your practices. If Hindus had so wished they could have corrected their wrong themselves but they did not heck even today Dalits are discriminated against is some part of India despite majority Hindu rule. Also what you forgot to mention is that in that California example you brought up it wasn't just liberals who interfered but also American dalit organizations who agreed with every part of the discrimination that was described in those books.

Dude I belong to the Dalit community. In all my life I have been asked about my caste only once. Apart from Muslims, marxists, and Western experts no one else talks about caste. Casting every conflict involving resources as class or caste warfare is a serious pass time of Marxists. Nothing to do with reality.

 

[KingMamba]

Dude I belong to the Dalit community. In all my life I have been asked about my caste only once. Apart from Muslims, marxists, and Western experts no one else talks about caste. Casting every conflict involving resources as class or caste warfare is a serious pass time of Marxists. Nothing to do with reality.

That is your own personal experience or are you going to say there is 0 discrimination against Dalits in India today? Also you did not answer me when I mentioned South India, south India never faced the invasions like North so what about South Indian caste system why is it the same thing?

 

[Hermione]

American dalit organizations

That is such a laugh. Dalit.org the most famous Dalit organization is funded and headed by evangelical Christian missionaries based in USA. Much of the propaganda material is produced by them. Similar to other oh Christians are suffering kind of literature.

That is your own personal experience or are you going to say there is 0 discrimination against Dalits in India today? Also you did not answer me when I mentioned South India, south India never faced the invasions like North so what about South Indian caste system why is it the same thing?

After the codification it was same everywhere. Jobs and privileges tied to being one caste or other were propagated. Similar to how "martial races" formula was applied to the Punjabis even though they were roundly trounced by invading forces. Instead of looking at history, you need to look at why affirmative action is done in India. The upper caste formed the majority political class for most of Indian independent history. So why did Indian political upper caste grant such favors to the lower castes if the upper caste as inherently as bad as you state they are?

Also it is not just my personal experience. It is not just my family, but entire communities across states who are doing very well. A huge section is middle class to upper middle class. The furor over the Indian diplomat's issue in US happened even when she was a Dalit. It was not a faked outrage. Her caste did not matter.

 

[SamantK]

Pakistanis hate Indians to the core, is it that we are progressing at a faster rate compared to them?

In India discrimation and other ills were there from a very long time and will remain for a very long time. However, I have seen a steady decline in castism. Though people do not forget their cast, decisions are made without the regard to caste increasingly.

 

[INDIC]

OK provide source that rajput is a part of the caste system. That is all I have asked from you since the beginning but you like acting like a retard. Rajput means son of a king and they claim blood descent from ancient hindu kings.

Why don't you give me a proof.

 

[KingMamba]

Why don't you give me a proof.

I cannot prove that the blood line they claim ever existed or not but there is no doubt that it is through this bloodline they determine who is and is not Rajput.

Rajput - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They claim to be descendants of ruling Hindu warrior classes of North India.[2]
Rajput clans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The rajputs are divided into 36 clans, each clan belonging to one of three basic lineages (vanshas or vamshas):

1. the Suryavanshi lineage, claiming descent from Surya, the Hindu Sun-god or in English it is known as Solar Dynasty;
2. the Chandravanshi lineage, claiming descent from Chandra, the Hindu Moon-god or in English it is known as Lunar Dynasty;
3. the Agnivanshi lineage, claiming descent from Agni, the Hindu god of fire.Four Rajput clans are considered to be Agnivanshi.They are Chauhans, Paramara, Solanki and Pratiharas.

When you say you descend from somebody that implies bloodline not caste. The caste however was ksatriya for all rajputs.

Now omg Muslim rajputs
List of Muslim Rajputs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sedqal]

Pakistanis hate Indians to the core, is it that we are progressing at a faster rate compared to them?

In India discrimation and other ills were there from a very long time and will remain for a very long time. However, I have seen a steady decline in castism. Though people do not forget their cast, decisions are made without the regard to caste increasingly.

Don't kid yourself, Pakistanis couldn't careless for India if it was not for Kashmir.

 

[KingMamba]

That is such a laugh. Dalit.org the most famous Dalit organization is funded and headed by evangelical Christian missionaries based in USA. Much of the propaganda material is produced by them. Similar to other oh Christians are suffering kind of literature.



After the codification it was same everywhere. Jobs and privileges tied to being one caste or other were propagated. Similar to how "martial races" formula was applied to the Punjabis even though they were roundly trounced by invading forces. Instead of looking at history, you need to look at why affirmative action is done in India. The upper caste formed the majority political class for most of Indian independent history. So why did Indian political upper caste grant such favors to the lower castes if the upper caste as inherently as bad as you state they are?

Also it is not just my personal experience. It is not just my family, but entire communities across states who are doing very well. A huge section is middle class to upper middle class. The furor over the Indian diplomat's issue in US happened even when she was a Dalit. It was not a faked outrage. Her caste did not matter.

I don't remember dalit.org being the dalit organization that came out in opposition to changes in the literature.

Simple India had to become secular because of the polarization between Muslim and Hindu Indians after partition. So many Muslims were left over in India that it would not have worked if India was made into a theocratic society, not only that but even varios schools of thought in hinduism differ amongst one another so which would have been state religion? The only thing many schools of thought in hinduism had in common was the caste system itself. This naturally benefited Dalits as well and I am glad you are doing well but like I said there are still instances where that is not the case you forget much of India is still rural. Naturally it was because she was your diplomat and because she was a woman who was strip searched, her caste did not matter she was representing your country.

 

[SamantK]

Don't kid yourself, Pakistanis couldn't careless for India if it was not for Kashmir.

I know, the fascination is so strong.. You compare a politician with a terrorist.

Somehow trying to prove we have an infestation same as yours.

 

[Sedqal]

I know, the fascination is so strong.. You compare a politician with a terrorist.

Somehow trying to prove we have an infestation same as yours.

Fascination is so strong that you are trolling on a Pakistani forum. It is telling that architect of Gujrat genocide is a strong candidate for becoming PM and you want the world to celebrate diversity Must be due to infestation lingering for some 5'000 years.

 

[INDIC]

I cannot prove that the blood line they claim ever existed or not but there is no doubt that it is through this bloodline they determine who is and is not Rajput.

Rajput - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They claim to be descendants of ruling Hindu warrior classes of North India.[2]
Rajput clans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The rajputs are divided into 36 clans, each clan belonging to one of three basic lineages (vanshas or vamshas):

1. the Suryavanshi lineage, claiming descent from Surya, the Hindu Sun-god or in English it is known as Solar Dynasty;
2. the Chandravanshi lineage, claiming descent from Chandra, the Hindu Moon-god or in English it is known as Lunar Dynasty;
3. the Agnivanshi lineage, claiming descent from Agni, the Hindu god of fire.Four Rajput clans are considered to be Agnivanshi.They are Chauhans, Paramara, Solanki and Pratiharas.

When you say you descend from somebody that implies bloodline not caste. The caste however was ksatriya for all rajputs.

Now omg Muslim rajputs
List of Muslim Rajputs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But why you mentioned clan names of Rajputs, keeping record of clan names is an important aspect of Hinduism, everyone has a clan name.

 

[SamantK]

Fascination is so strong that you are trolling on a Pakistani forum. It is telling that architect of Gujrat genocide is a strong candidate for becoming PM and you want the world to celebrate diversity Must be due to infestation lingering for some 5'000 years.

Why do you care where I am, you certainly don't own this place..

It's sad that Pakistanis can equate a riot to genocide.. Your argument is poor!

 

[vicky sen]

I wonder why cant Pakistanis cry about Modi... He is ACCUSED ( and acquitted) of killing Indians, not Pakistanis! Has got nothing to do with them...

 

[Sedqal]

Why do you care where I am, you certainly don't own this place..

It's sad that Pakistanis can equate a riot to genocide.. Your argument is poor!

State orchestrated riots are called genocide and India has the unique distinction of orchestrating such genocides on every minority - Sikhs in Punjab, Christians in Orissa, Muslims in Gujrat. Its sad that Indian trolls expect the world to treat these cases as mere riots.