The delusion of identity

[Fattyacids]

Your friend wholegrain whom you have tagged number of times told me until Tang Dynasty, Southern China was still non-Han majority.

The paragraph above clearly stated Chinese moved south since Han dynasty. In fact, during Qin dynasty more than 2000 yrs ago. Tang was famous coz it was the most prominent group.

As to majority or not, there was no exact census, in all likelihood Han chinese must be the largest as we're the oldest and largest enthic group in East Asia. And numbers would have multiplied over a period of 2000 years. He probably said that to brush you away as everyone knows your reputation. These days, people don't even reply to your posts.

 

[Hermione]

Oh please you Hindus tried to white wash history, trying to force down the throats of others what the caste system was "meant" to be doesn't change the fact of what it ended up becoming. They are trying to teach history not religion and historical everyone knows what the caste system was about.

If it was a religious course alright you can say this was what caste was supposed to be.

What the caste system ended up being after being through 1000 years of invasion and killing and plunder was known to all. What should also be known is what was its original purpose and how it was practiced for thousands of years before that because history did not happen only these past 1000 years. Also it needs to be known what it is today. It is a course on Hinduism.and should cover these without bias.

Anyway it was not as bad as portrayed by the missionaries and later the marxist/socialists. If it really was as bad as it is portrayed 23% of India still would not be within the fold of Hinduism like the Dalits and Tribals still are today.

 

[INDIC]

Dude we know you are a certified retard...

Personal insults are the last resort of exhausted minds.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Personal insults are the last resort of exhausted minds.

Thts a fact... your retarded posts are a proof of your infinite stupidity.

 

[KingMamba]

What the caste system ended up being after being through 1000 years of invasion and killing and plunder was known to all. What should also be known is what was its original purpose and how it was practiced for thousands of years before that because history did not happen only these past 1000 years. Also it needs to be known what it is today. It is a course on Hinduism.and should cover these without bias.

Anyway it was not as bad as portrayed by the missionaries and later the marxist/socialists. If it really was as bad as it is portrayed 23% of India still would not be within the fold of Hinduism like the Dalits and Tribals still are today.

Really so the ills of the caste system was all because of the invasions, before that brahmins and untouchables were singing kumbaya while sharing marshmallows over a campfire right? Like I said white washing history.

 

[INDIC]

Thts a fact... your retarded posts are a proof of your infinite stupidity.

You are great contributor it seems, only reply with some random silly pictures.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You are great contributor it seems, only reply with some random silly pictures.

Yes.. coz they are funny,and accurate..

And thank you IVC,mexican,bihari bhiya..

 

[Hermione]

Really so the ills of the caste system was all because of the invasions, before that brahmins and untouchables were singing kumbaya while sharing marshmallows over a campfire right? Like I said white washing history.

There were no untouchables as documented by Greek Megasthenes (ca. 350 – 290 BCE). Caste according to him in India then.

The first is formed by the collective body of the Philosophers, which in point of number is inferior to the other classes, but in point of dignity preeminent over all. The philosopher who errs in his predictions incurs censure, and then observes silence for the rest of his life.
The second caste consists of the Husbandmen, who appear to be far more numerous than the others. They devote the whole of their time to tillage; nor would an enemy coming upon a husbandman at work on his land do him any harm, for men of this class, being regarded as public benefactors, are protected from all injury.
The third caste consists of the Shepherds and in general of all herdsmen who neither settle in towns nor in villages, but live in tents.
The fourth caste consists of the Artizans. Of these some are armourers, while others make the implements that husbandmen and others find useful in their different callings. This class is not only exempted from paying taxes, but even receives maintenance from the royal exchequer.
The fifth caste is the Military. It is well organized and equipped for war, holds the second place in point of numbers, and gives itself up to idleness and amusement in the times of peace. The entire force--men-at-arms, war-horses, war-elephants, and all--are maintained at the king's expense.
The sixth caste consists of the Overseers. It is their province to inquire into and superintend all that goes on in India, and make report to the king, or, where there is not a king, to the magistrates.
The seventh caste consists of the Councillors and Assessors,--of those who deliberate on public affairs. It is the smallest class, looking to number, but the most respected, on account of the high character and wisdom of its members; for from their ranks the advisers of the king are taken, and the treasurers, of the state, and the arbiters who settle disputes. The generals of the army also, and the chief magistrates, usually belong to this class.

This was also similar to the sayings of Xuanzang (c. 602–664) the Chinese scholar to traveled to India. There were no untouchables or poor.

 

[KingMamba]

There were no untouchables as documented by Greek Megasthenes (ca. 350 – 290 BCE). Caste according to him in India then.

The first is formed by the collective body of the Philosophers, which in point of number is inferior to the other classes, but in point of dignity preeminent over all. The philosopher who errs in his predictions incurs censure, and then observes silence for the rest of his life.
The second caste consists of the Husbandmen, who appear to be far more numerous than the others. They devote the whole of their time to tillage; nor would an enemy coming upon a husbandman at work on his land do him any harm, for men of this class, being regarded as public benefactors, are protected from all injury.
The third caste consists of the Shepherds and in general of all herdsmen who neither settle in towns nor in villages, but live in tents.
The fourth caste consists of the Artizans. Of these some are armourers, while others make the implements that husbandmen and others find useful in their different callings. This class is not only exempted from paying taxes, but even receives maintenance from the royal exchequer.
The fifth caste is the Military. It is well organized and equipped for war, holds the second place in point of numbers, and gives itself up to idleness and amusement in the times of peace. The entire force--men-at-arms, war-horses, war-elephants, and all--are maintained at the king's expense.
The sixth caste consists of the Overseers. It is their province to inquire into and superintend all that goes on in India, and make report to the king, or, where there is not a king, to the magistrates.
The seventh caste consists of the Councillors and Assessors,--of those who deliberate on public affairs. It is the smallest class, looking to number, but the most respected, on account of the high character and wisdom of its members; for from their ranks the advisers of the king are taken, and the treasurers, of the state, and the arbiters who settle disputes. The generals of the army also, and the chief magistrates, usually belong to this class.

This was also similar to the sayings of Xuanzang (c. 602–664) the Chinese scholar to traveled to India. There were no untouchables or poor.

So who created untouchables and why did hindus fall into this conspiracy by the evil mleccha invaders?
Also perhaps its was never meant to be but it did end up as such so why should it not be taught in schools?

 

[Hermione]

So who created untouchables and why did hindus fall into this conspiracy by the evil mleccha invaders?
Also perhaps its was never meant to be but it did end up as such so why should it not be taught in schools?

Brahmins were killed en mass when invasions first happened. Documented by the Muslim historians, mountains were made of Brahmin heads. This repeated all through North India. A society where its intellectual capital is decimated and there are no protectors left, is not the same society as before. Zamindari system was brought in. Land grants given on basis of service rendered to the Muslim noblemen became the norm. Men were being turned into eunuchs in thousands. Survival in such a threatened environment makes a system rigid.

What CEB does it try to bring its Christian biases and tries to look at Hinduism from a Christian lens without having a clue as to the essence of Hinduism.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Brahmins were killed en mass when invasions first happened. Documented by the Muslim historians, mountains were made of Brahmin heads. This repeated all through North India. A society where its intellectual capital is decimated and there are no protectors left, is not the same society as before. Zamindari system was brought in. Land grants given on basis of service rendered to the Muslim noblemen became the norm. Men were being turned into eunuchs in thousands. Survival in such a threatened environment makes a system rigid.

Yeah and than you woke up... distorting and demonising muslims n history... epic fail.

 

[Hermione]

Yeah and than you woke up... distorting and demonising muslims n history... epic fail.

Sorry reality does not favor you. India today under Hindu domination is a "secular" society. Lower castes have affirmative action and reservations in everything. This generosity of spirit would not have been possible without it being an inherent nature of the Hindu society. There was no protests, no raging when 1 person 1 vote regardless of caste, creed, religion, gender was adopted in India. India did this even when 90% of its population was dirt poor and illiterate (the excuse given by other societies for their failure).

 

[KingMamba]

Brahmins were killed en mass when invasions first happened. Documented by the Muslim historians, mountains were made of Brahmin heads. This repeated all through North India. A society where its intellectual capital is decimated and there are no protectors left, is not the same society as before. Zamindari system was brought in. Land grants given on basis of service rendered to the Muslim noblemen became the norm. Men were being turned into eunuchs in thousands. Survival in such a threatened environment makes a system rigid.

Ok so let us think someone invaders your home do you become rigid towards them or do you take it out on your fellow neighbors?

Muslims invade India and kill Brahmins, left over Brahmins get pissed off, pissed off Brahmins take it out on fellow hindus by turning them into untouchables. Also how come this same thing carried over in South India which was a only a part of the Mughal dynasty in name but had for the most part self rule? Mughals being the last Muslim dynasty as well which came hundreds of year after Islam first entered India. So why South Indians adhered to the same rules when they were relatively sake from Mleccha overlords?

 

[Hermione]

Ok so let us think someone invaders your home do you become rigid towards them or do you take it out on your fellow neighbors?

Muslims invade India and kill Brahmins, left over Brahmins get pissed off, pissed off Brahmins take it out on fellow hindus by turning them into untouchables. Also how come this same thing carried over in South India which was a only a part of the Mughal dynasty in name but had for the most part self rule? Mughals being the last Muslim dynasty as well which came hundreds of year after Islam first entered India.

No it is not that. Hindus had a different orientation to the other parts of the world. Except for the Kshatriya they were noncombatants for throughout their history. The society was structured such that a change in kingship did not mean much to the civilian. Dharma was always followed. So the rest of the Brahmins and other castes could not/would not fight back. This was a job done by kings from other kingdoms. Zamindari system, exploitative taxes, threatened identity, and survival issues does a lot of damage over a period of hundreds of years. It is not something that happened over night. Until Lord Risley codified caste system, caste remained fluid. He codified it on structure similar to racism which was an European outlook. There in lies the genesis of today's caste structure. Even with that it is not that lower castes were treated badly throughout India. It was bad in some places, did not mean much of anything in other places. India is vast, people could well live in their own communities without having to deal with other communities much at all.

 

[KingMamba]

No it is not that. Hindus had a different orientation to the other parts of the world. Except for the Kshatriya they were noncombatants for throughout their history. The society was structured such that a change in kingship did not mean much to the civilian. Dharma was always followed. So the rest of the Brahmins and other castes could not/would not fight back. This was a job done by kings from other kingdoms. Zamindari system, exploitative taxes, threatened identity, and survival issues does a lot of damage over a period of hundreds of years. It is not something that happened over night. Until Lord Risley codified caste system, caste remained fluid. He codified it on structure similar to racism which was an European outlook. There in lies the genesis of today's caste structure. Even with that it is not that lower castes were treated badly throughout India. It was bad in some places, did not mean much of anything in other places. India is vast, people could well live in their own communities without having to deal with other communities much at all.

Historically every region has been conquered by foreigners yet no one has developed a caste system in response to it that discriminates against their own like the one hindus have developed. Your invasion excuse is a joke you want to spread to white wash the evil a segment of your society committed against another segment of your own people. True British codified many of your religious practices but they were exactly that your practices. If Hindus had so wished they could have corrected their wrong themselves but they did not heck even today Dalits are discriminated against is some part of India despite majority Hindu rule. Also what you forgot to mention is that in that California example you brought up it wasn't just liberals who interfered but also American dalit organizations who agreed with every part of the discrimination that was described in those books.