The biggest clash between Syria and Israel since 1974 has started.

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Trouble here isn't just Israel.....it's the Saudis and Emiratis as well.

AFAIK UAE has claim on two small Iranian islands which Iran took in the 1970s.

 

[Trango Towers]

AFAIK UAE has claim on two small Iranian islands which Iran took in the 1970s.

Yes....and the bigger problem is an ideological one

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Yes....and the bigger problem is an ideological one

Not really. UAE is pretty tolerant and open. Dubai in particular.

 

[Trango Towers]

Not really. UAE is pretty tolerant and open. Dubai in particular.

Not at all. It's bombing Yemen. Syria and Libya in the past. It even threatened paksitan until they laughed at them. They think money can buy them everything. Dubai is s place for modern slavery.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Not at all. It's bombing Yemen. Syria and Libya in the past. It even threatened paksitan until they laughed at them. They think money can buy them everything. Dubai is s place for modern slavery.

UAE hardly bombs Yemen.

 

[veg]

Moses made the speech and said to Joshua what to do
Joshua did not complete the task of creating a situation in which some of the peoples living in Canaan would not pose a threat to Israel. The rest of the leaders after Joshua, as well as King Saul,did not complete the task too
King David completed the mission.
That's it, It's over.
Nothing is eternal here.

My question was:

(1) Why the Jewish god ordered Moses to attack the others, even if they were not waging war against the Jews?

(2) And your excuse of danger is also stupid, while in some cases Moses also killed all the women and the children which were no danger.
And Moses also killed all the men (even the non-combatant ones too, or the older ones too who were entirely unable to pose any danger.
And Joshua and Moses even if spared the women life, still they took them as the slaves, although those women were posing no threat. And they were plundered and their cities and belongings were set to fire, while their empty cities were also not posing any threat.

This proves only this that either there is not such thing like "god" and it were the dramas of people who claimed themselves prophets, or the god is the most tyrant and a savage who likes innocent blood.

(3) And there is no command in old testament which limits it till the time of David. The enemies of Jews were present even after the David. So why did the Jewish god then change his policy of massacre in case of danger?
You have no proof that Jewish god prohibited it afterwards. It is simply this that jews didn't get the power after David to make their Jewish State.

It is important to clarify that I am not religious, not even close

What a lame excuse. If you don't believe in your religious text, why then you support the creation of Israel in this land? Why you want to occupy the whole land in name of "god promised this land to Jews"?

It is clear that it is God who told Moses who to kill and why
And those who do not and why (according to the Torah of course)
If there is a God then all that He says will be found above what man will say
So if God says killing someone for morality reasons let's say, and man claims it is immoral, God is right
God is the justification.

There is no proof of existence of such god.
And if such god orders the massacre of all men (including old men) and all women and all children, then such god is a War Criminal and a savage.

Thus there is no difference in plundering of Jewish god or the Muslim god.

What Moses did, and what Muhammad did, and what everyone else did in those ancient times
All these were the norms of those days.

If the Jewish god was so stupid to follow the norms of the old days, then Humanity didn't need such god. But the humanity needed enlightened people like Buddha who gave the teachings of real humanity, and to not to kill those who don't fight you, and not to kill the women.
Unlike Jewish god, Buddah was the first to condemn the slavery and under his influence Ashoka banned the slavery Bazars in India, and then later Buddhists succeeded in completely abolishing the slavery system by introducing the Serfdom system.
But the Jewish god got not even so much wisdom and so much Humanity, which was shown by a Human Buddha.

So what was the use of such god who was devoid of even basic Humanity and basic wisdom and even normal Human was able to perform better than such god?

But I think that people specifically blame the Muslims because the rest of the world (or most of the world) has progressed
And the Muslims were still left behind.

Do you see your double standards?
Earlier you said "Islamic Ideology" which is plundering.
Now you want to change it to Muslims.

And Jewish god has ZERO role in this modern standards of morality.
All this modern morality was achieved by the Europe when once they got rid of the religion and denied any role of religion in the State matters.
Otherwise Jews were also practising the slavery till 18th century.

In addition, there are some anti-Islamic elements in the Christian world, especially in the West
They throw the norms of the modern world into antiquity

Yes, indeed they have to throw this question to the blind followers of the religions who are even ready for the massacre of women and children while their savage god orders it.

Question is very simple. How come the modern non religious Secular West was able to end the massacre of non-combatant men, old men, women and children, and the slavery, but the gods of religious people were unable to do it for thousands of years?

What is the logic of God?
It is listed in the Bible ...
Ham sin, God punished his son Canaan
And gave the land to the sons of Shem

Humanity should be thankful to the Secularism which brought end to this madness of Religions.
Thanks that in the Western Secular world, as child is not punished for the crimes of his parents.

When you equate God and Hitler morally...
Was it necessary for Hitler to try to kill all the Jews?
No, he could have been content with expelling them for example, which by the way was his plan

Would you please tell us why the Jewish god didn't only expel the other nations? Was it necessary for the Jewish god to kill ALL including old ones and the women and the children?

The Jewish god does not even reach to the level of Hitler when it comes to the morals, but Jewish god is even lower than Hitler in the light of old testament.

Note that you yourself do what anti-Muslims do
And throws your modern and specific morality on antiquity and other factors

Off course we have the FULL right and we MUST throw this question upon the Jewish god for his savage nature by killing women and children and showing no wisdom and no justice.

If Jewish god would have got any wisdom, then he would have taken the path of Buddha and demolished the slavery wisely, and protected the blood of the innocent women and children and the older ones.

There is no correct morality and no just morality.

Off course there is a correct and just morality present and our human nature automatically points out towards it and only due to this Buddah succeeded in ending slavery in the old times, and Western world succeeded in it in the 19th century after becoming non-religious on the State level.

Please don't deny the morality towards which the human nature guides, in order to save the face of the Jewish god from his crimes against the humanity.

The Canaanites arrived in Canaan 4000 4000+ years ago,which is the days of Abraham

Conjectures have Zero value.
All the proofs given above by me.

You did not understand anything again
It does not matter who emigrated to where and why, if you follow a theological book
There's only one thing that's right and that's what God says, the rest is just nonsense

I am afraid that the only thing which seems to be "nonsense" is the massacres of old, women and children in the name of gods, and even bigger nonsense is to defend it by making such excuses.

You mix Western morality with an ancient Jewish theological book, it's pretty dumb you know...

Once again, the only dumb thing is to still believe today that any Jewish god had the right to slaughter all, and to still considered as the champion of morality.

 

[Trango Towers]

UAE hardly bombs Yemen.

Hardly.....is the operative here..Never the less it bombs. Has airforce and ground troops involved. So ist not a peaceful country. Has built up a significant Columbian mercenary force. Have given asylum to price from black water now wanted in the USA.

 

[500]

These types of desperate attacks by the IDF don't change anything on the ground. Russia will replace the lost Pantsir truck with 10 more tomorrow. At the end of the day, it will be Israel which will be the loser in Syria. In fact it already is as the US/ NATO/ Israeli/ Sawdi manufactured civil war is almost over.

So when Iran launches 20 rockets into empty field thats massive suppa pawa attack. While when Israel destroys radars and SAM in retaliation thats desperate attack.

 

[Trango Towers]

So when Iran launches 20 rockets into empty field thats massive suppa pawa attack. While when Israel destroys radars and SAM in retaliation thats desperate attack.

What a knob you are....what were you doing when is real was bombing Iranian positions for the last few months.....drinking cow urine?

 

[500]

My question was:

(1) Why the Jewish god ordered Moses to attack the others, even if they were not waging war against the Jews?

(2) And your excuse of danger is also stupid, while in some cases Moses also killed all the women and the children which were no danger.
And Moses also killed all the men (even the non-combatant ones too, or the older ones too who were entirely unable to pose any danger.
And Joshua and Moses even if spared the women life, still they took them as the slaves, although those women were posing no threat. And they were plundered and their cities and belongings were set to fire, while their empty cities were also not posing any threat.

This proves only this that either there is not such thing like "god" and it were the dramas of people who claimed themselves prophets, or the god is the most tyrant and a savage who likes innocent blood.

(3) And there is no command in old testament which limits it till the time of David. The enemies of Jews were present even after the David. So why did the Jewish god then change his policy of massacre in case of danger?
You have no proof that Jewish god prohibited it afterwards. It is simply this that jews didn't get the power after David to make their Jewish State.





What a lame excuse. If you don't believe in your religious text, why then you support the creation of Israel in this land? Why you want to occupy the whole land in name of "god promised this land to Jews"?





There is no proof of existence of such god.
And if such god orders the massacre of all men (including old men) and all women and all children, then such god is a War Criminal and a savage.

Thus there is no difference in plundering of Jewish god or the Muslim god.




If the Jewish god was so stupid to follow the norms of the old days, then Humanity didn't need such god. But the humanity needed enlightened people like Buddha who gave the teachings of real humanity, and to not to kill those who don't fight you, and not to kill the women.
Unlike Jewish god, Buddah was the first to condemn the slavery and under his influence Ashoka banned the slavery Bazars in India, and then later Buddhists succeeded in completely abolishing the slavery system by introducing the Serfdom system.
But the Jewish god got not even so much wisdom and so much Humanity, which was shown by a Human Buddha.

So what was the use of such god who was devoid of even basic Humanity and basic wisdom and even normal Human was able to perform better than such god?




Do you see your double standards?
Earlier you said "Islamic Ideology" which is plundering.
Now you want to change it to Muslims.

And Jewish god has ZERO role in this modern standards of morality.
All this modern morality was achieved by the Europe when once they got rid of the religion and denied any role of religion in the State matters.
Otherwise Jews were also practising the slavery till 18th century.




Yes, indeed they have to throw this question to the blind followers of the religions who are even ready for the massacre of women and children while their savage god orders it.

Question is very simple. How come the modern non religious Secular West was able to end the massacre of non-combatant men, old men, women and children, and the slavery, but the gods of religious people were unable to do it for thousands of years?




Humanity should be thankful to the Secularism which brought end to this madness of Religions.
Thanks that in the Western Secular world, as child is not punished for the crimes of his parents.



Would you please tell us why the Jewish god didn't only expel the other nations? Was it necessary for the Jewish god to kill ALL including old ones and the women and the children?

The Jewish god does not even reach to the level of Hitler when it comes to the morals, but Jewish god is even lower than Hitler in the light of old testament.




Off course we have the FULL right and we MUST throw this question upon the Jewish god for his savage nature by killing women and children and showing no wisdom and no justice.

If Jewish god would have got any wisdom, then he would have taken the path of Buddha and demolished the slavery wisely, and protected the blood of the innocent women and children and the older ones.



Off course there is a correct and just morality present and our human nature automatically points out towards it and only due to this Buddah succeeded in ending slavery in the old times, and Western world succeeded in it in the 19th century after becoming non-religious on the State level.

Please don't deny the morality towards which the human nature guides, in order to save the face of the Jewish god from his crimes against the humanity.




Conjectures have Zero value.
All the proofs given above by me.




I am afraid that the only thing which seems to be "nonsense" is the massacres of old, women and children in the name of gods, and even bigger nonsense is to defend it by making such excuses.


Once again, the only dumb thing is to still believe today that any Jewish god had the right to slaughter all, and to still considered as the champion of morality.

Religious discussion is not allowed on this forum. My message was deleted and I got warning when I wrote that Arabs can understand Quranic text.

 

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So when Iran launches 20 rockets into empty field thats massive suppa pawa attack. While when Israel destroys radars and SAM in retaliation thats desperate attack.

Yes, it is a massive suppa pawa attack in the present situation. Earlier Israel was attacking with full freedom. Now it has to think twice before making the attacks, while next time it could be missiles targeting deep inside Israel instead of rockets.

 

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[Hack-Hook]

So when Iran launches 20 rockets into empty field thats massive suppa pawa attack. While when Israel destroys radars and SAM in retaliation thats desperate attack.

Iran fired those , don't make me laugh. Syria even said which brigade of saa fired those .

 

[Falcon29]

If Iran was upholding Sunni Islam and genuinely want justice in the world it could have been the most influential country in the region and further.

 

[19887]

You are the most hated people since time......why? Just ask yourself why

That's not true at all