The biggest clash between Syria and Israel since 1974 has started.

[-SINAN-]

Looks like some people thinks that they can defeat Israel by typing them to death.

What about focusing on recent developments rather than meaningless ranting ?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Looks like some people thinks that they can defeat Israel by typing them to death.

What about focusing on recent developments rather than meaningless ranting ?

Good point. If Muslims had technology like the White man did, Ottoman empire would have never been broken up by the White man like how Yugoslavia was broken up by NATO. While Iran has made good progress on the technology front, still far short than what is needed to defend itself from the White man.

 

[KAL-EL]

Looks like some people thinks that they can defeat Israel by typing them to death.

What about focusing on recent developments rather than meaningless ranting ?

THIS ^^^^^^

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/path%3D%252Fr%252Fsyriancivilwar%252Fcomments%252F8idgzb%252F

 

[GBU-28]

Whole lot of damage to Iranian infrastructure in Syria.

A very expensive mistake for Iran which is about to face crippling sanctions again. The Mullahs will need to steal more money from their people to rebuild their bases in Syria - which will then be bombed again.

 

[Trango Towers]

really???


* The Germans murdered 6 million Jews
Israel has not murdered 6 million Palestinians, and Israel has no intention of doing so.
* The Germans put the Jews into gas chambers
Israel has not brought the "Palestinians" into gas chambers, and Israel has no intention of doing so.
* The Germans brought the Jews to the crematoria
Israel has not brought the "Palestinians" into the crematoria, and Israel has no intention of doing so.
* The Germans led the Jews to death marches
Israel has not led the "Palestinians" to death marches, and Israel has no intention of doing so.
* The Germans starved the Jews in the ghetto
Israel did not starve the "Palestinians" in the ghetto, and Israel has no intention of doing so. Israel provides them with food and water.
* The Germans stripped the Jews in extreme weather conditions
Israel did not strip the Palestinians of their clothes in extreme weather conditions, and Israel has no intention of doing so. Israel provides them with electricity and fuel.
I believe you got the point ...


It's sad that Jews do not learn from the past
But the lesson of the Jews is not what you think, not even close.


These are the Iranians who attacked first today, and Israel only reacted.


There are a number of Iranians who will not agree with you
I agree with you for that matter.


It will not help them.


If iran asks for mujahideen No one will listen to them.


There is hatred among leftists, neo-Nazis, and some Muslims
In any case, geopolitics is not motivated by hatred / love, but by interests.

1 Muslim to me is worth more than 6 million....
6 million is Jewish claim. No proof.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Whole lot of damage to Iranian infrastructure in Syria.

A very expensive mistake for Iran which is about to face crippling sanctions again. The Mullahs will need to steal more money from their people to rebuild their bases in Syria - which will then be bombed again.

Only the US is leaving the deal. All the other countries stay in it. That means lost business opportunity for America while all the others trade with Iran. Iran is getting Su-30 from Russia and JF-17 from China to replace F-14 and F-5.

 

[19887]

You lie when you say it was not an eternal mitzvah.
While Moses was not alone in "Massacre" of the other nations, but Jashua continued this massacre(Jashua 6:20-21). And then David during his time again massacred the people (Samuel 2).

Moses made the speech and said to Joshua what to do
Joshua did not complete the task of creating a situation in which some of the peoples living in Canaan would not pose a threat to Israel. The rest of the leaders after Joshua, as well as King Saul,did not complete the task too
King David completed the mission.
That's it, It's over.
Nothing is eternal here.

And there is also no historical or archaeological evidence that it didn't happen.
But question is why the testimony of your own Religious Book is not enough for you which is very clear that indeed that massacres were done by the Jewish prophets on the direct command of their god?

There is also no historical or archaeological records of Abraham, Noah, Adam, but you believe in them while your religious book tells it to you. But when it comes to there massacres, then you try to hide behind archaeology. Plain hypocrisy and double standards.

It is important to clarify that I am not religious, not even close

It is clear that it is God who told Moses who to kill and why
And those who do not and why (according to the Torah of course)
If there is a God then all that He says will be found above what man will say
So if God says killing someone for morality reasons let's say, and man claims it is immoral, God is right
God is the justification.

Or you just did not understand me before
Or you're an annoying atheist who sees only what he wants to see

Lame excuse.
This is the exact lame excuse which Muslim present when their prophet killed all the Jews of Banu Qurayzah and other tribes and took all their children and women as slaves and plundered their belongings.

So what is the difference between Jews and Muslims? Why then only to blame Muslims for plundering?

It's not an excuse, it's a reality
Lame is just your interpretation and nothing more

What Moses did, and what Muhammad did, and what everyone else did in those ancient times
All these were the norms of those days.
These days it will be hard for you to see and understand the logic behind it, but that's how it suited the ancient world.

I personally do not blame anyone because I do not really care.
But I think that people specifically blame the Muslims because the rest of the world (or most of the world) has progressed
And the Muslims were still left behind.

In addition, there are some anti-Islamic elements in the Christian world, especially in the West
They throw the norms of the modern world into antiquity
That is to say, they judge Muhammad on a modern, rather than objective, point of view
Which will lead to sometimes problematic judgment
This of course does not interest them because they are only looking to discredit Islam
It should be noted that there are many Muslims who help them in that they themselves are trying to behave like Muhammad
Which proves or "proves" the anti-Islamic claim

There are of course full of ignorant people who don't look at themselves before they utter nonsense from their mouths

In short, this is why the difference between Muslims and the other groups was made.

And your religious book is itself a witness that Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, none of them were attacking the Jews. But it was the Jewish god who ordered Moses for the offensive war.

Read it again:

(Deuteronomy 20:10-17)

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.
11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.
12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.
13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.
14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you.

So stop making lame excuses that enemy was killing the Jews and thus Jewish god ordered them to massacre them in reply and make their women/children slave or even to kill the women and children too.

The massacres of Jewish God were even worse than Hitler, as Hitler killed many, but not ALL the Jews nor raped the Jewish women in name of slavery.

What lame excuses?
Once again you see what you are looking to see instead of what there is ..
Theologically, God said to do this and that
What is the justification for every act? God said
The logic behind this is that if you have an enemy, whether you have created hostility or that he has created hostility, you should kill him to the last or he will kill you

What is the logic of God?
It is listed in the Bible ...
Ham sin, God punished his son Canaan
And gave the land to the sons of Shem

When you equate God and Hitler morally
You have to understand that the act is not the problem, but whether there is a justified cause or not
It is important to remember that people invented morality to serve them
So what is moral is what you or your group needs
There is no morality in objective reality, morality is imaginary
Was God's morality necessary at the time?
Yes, the mission was completed and the sons of Shem exchanged the sons of Ham

Was it necessary for Hitler to try to kill all the Jews?
No, he could have been content with expelling them for example, which by the way was his plan
And in the end he did not succeed, meaning to kill all Jews is not necessary and therefore immoral

Note that you yourself do what anti-Muslims do
And throws your modern and specific morality on antiquity and other factors

There is no correct morality and no just morality.

A lie.
Cannanites were present there much much before Abraham.
Abraham came only 2000 years BC, while Cannanites were present there 2500 year BC (or even 6500 years BC)
See it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

Whole old testament is witness that Cannanites were present there much before Abraham.

I say again
The term Canaanites is a general term, it represents everyone who is at any point in time in Canaan
It is not a concept that describes a people

The Canaanites arrived in Canaan 4000 4000+ years ago,which is the days of Abraham

Again a Bunch of Lies.
All the Amorites, Hittites, Jebusites, Perizzites, Hivites were present there even before Abraham. Old testament is itself a testifying it when it gives glad tiding to Abraham that his off spring will inherit the lands of all these nations.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+15:1–21&version=niv

Genesis 15
(17) When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi[e] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates— 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites.”

Therefore, Jebusites and Canaanites and others were present there even before Abraham, and later Moses massacred them.




It was Abraham who migrated in Canaan.
Abraham has nothing to do with Canaan. He was born in "Ur of the Chaldees" which is in southern Iraq. Later he migrated to Cannon. And he came to Canaan only when he was old and 75 years old.
//
Abram was 75 years old when he left Haran with his wife Sarai, his nephew Lot, and the substance and souls that they had acquired, and traveled to Shechem in Canaan.[Genesis 12:4–6]
//

So stop telling us that others got no claim upon this land while they migrated from other areas.

You did not understand anything again
It does not matter who emigrated to where and why, if you follow a theological book
There's only one thing that's right and that's what God says, the rest is just nonsense

You mix Western morality with an ancient Jewish theological book, it's pretty dumb you know...

Philistines were present there even before Abraham.
Again your own religious book is testifying it.
You can see Genesis 21:22-27 which is confirming the presence of Philistine even before Abraham.

And if Jewish Prophets didn't expel the Philitines then it was not due to the reason that those Jewish Prophets were kind hearted, but it has more to do that they didn't get the chance.

The Bible paints the Philistines as the main enemy of the Israelites (prior to the rise of the Neo-Assyrian Empire between the 10th century BC and late 7th century BC) with a state of almost perpetual war between the two. The Philistine cities lost their independence to Assyria, and revolts in the following years were all crushed. They were subsequently absorbed into the Neo-Babylonian Empire and the Achaemenid Empire, and disappeared as a distinct ethnic group by the late 5th century BC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

Abraham himself migrated to Canaan from Southern Iraq when he was 75 years old. So stop spreading the lies. Your own religious book is refuting you.

This is exactly a book that explains theology to you
Canaan is the land of the forefathers, and therefore the Israelites must reach it
Why is Canaan the Land of the Patriarchs? Because God decided and sent Abraham there
The rest is unimportant
Theology does not matter who was first, how much, why, when, where
Only what God says is important
You have nothing to look for there except that



****
Until now I did not understand what you wanted to say?
That there is discrimination against Muslims?

Good point. Syria is a UN member state and Iran is invited by Syria to deploy in Syria. How many times has Iran attacked Israel from Syria? 0

The Iranian drone with explosives a few months ago

1 Muslim to me is worth more than 6 million....
6 million is Jewish claim. No proof.

German claim
5,9 **, ***, I don't remember accurately
The proof is not lacking in German and other documents

Good point. If Muslims had technology like the White man did, Ottoman empire would have never been broken up by the White man like how Yugoslavia was broken up by NATO. While Iran has made good progress on the technology front, still far short than what is needed to defend itself from the White man.

Remind you that some of the blame for the collapse of the Ottoman Empire are Muslim Arabs

Only the US is leaving the deal. All the other countries stay in it. That means lost business opportunity for America while all the others trade with Iran. Iran is getting Su-30 from Russia and JF-17 from China to replace F-14 and F-5.

Iran in the meantime is not getting anything

Trust the Europeans that they will settle according to America here

 

[denel]

Easy in theory but really hard against a well trained and experienced adversary. There is difference between unarmed Palestinian civilians and a powerful Iranian army.

Not disagreeing but Iran is playing with fire and well outside its realhm. Even back in Iran the support for Syria is not popular and they have had to buy volunteers from Afghanistan/Pakistan.

 

[Mentee]

But there is no Deep State in Israel......

Are you for real? Anyhow yuu seem to me a liberal/burger type Israeli.

 

[19887]

Are you for real? Anyhow yuu seem to me a liberal/burger type Israeli.

There is no Deep State in Israel
In Israel it's all the same thing

 

[GBU-28]

Only the US is leaving the deal. All the other countries stay in it. That means lost business opportunity for America while all the others trade with Iran. Iran is getting Su-30 from Russia and JF-17 from China to replace F-14 and F-5.

Trump made it clear that countries doing business with the terrorist state of Iran may also face sanction.

The pathetic EU will fall in line. The likes of Germany are just worried because they have hundreds of hezbollah terrorists operating in the country and don't want blowback.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Trump made it clear that countries doing business with the terrorist state of Iran may also face sanction.

The pathetic EU will fall in line. The likes of Germany are just worried because they have hundreds of hezbollah terrorists operating in the country and don't want blowback.

EU doesn't need the US. EU doesn't even use American weapons. Typhoon and Rafale jets. Tiger helicopters. Leopard and Leclerc tanks. You name it. Whatever American can make, EU can make.

 

[Handshake]

Why are the mullahs fighting Israel ? What has Israel ever done to these subhumans? Israel was one of the very few helping them in the war against Saddam.

BIBI need some blood and Mullah wants him to taste his own.

 

[xenon54 out]

You know you can say the same thing about the whole Middle East "loving" the fact that the Turks are returning in coffins from Syria...

Screw whole ME. We know we are the boogeyman of this place yet we dont care and you guys have to deal with us whether you like it or not.