The Attack on Pakistan's Erieye

[Najam Khan]

Yes,thats true. Its hard to end all the conspiracy theories. The only way to end this rumour mill is if and when all the erieyes take part in a PAF exercise and are reported in the news as such,or the nation sees them in a flypast (which is highly unlikely).

If you can find a way to find out the extent of damage and update in repair on the damaged erieye? 10025 does appear as out of service on multiple websites,while the reported status of other saab 2000 hasnt changed....only 10025 has changed from 'Active' to 'stored'.
Any updates on 10025 or whichever us the damaged airframe , will be much appreciated.

Only Swedes can release information on that, official/unofficial account about the serial numbers is next to impossible. IF its damaged to a fairly large extent then most probably this damaged air frame will be stripped down and used for spares cannibalization.

 

[Safriz]

Only Swedes can release information on that, official/unofficial account about the serial numbers is next to impossible. IF its damaged to a fairly large extent then most probably this damaged air frame will be stripped down and used for spares cannibalization.

Ok,that makes sense.
If swedes are the ones updating the status of the airframes,they will update again if the airframes is brought back to service.
If the airframe keeps appearing as 'stored' for long,then we can assume its being cannibalized for parts.
Most probably the AWACS system itself is still intact and can be fitted on another aircraft.
Some part of the rumor mill says exactly the same..that one erieye is damaged and too expensive to repair,instead the trainer SAAB 2000 will be converted to AWACS by transferring the system from the damaged airframe..
How easy or difficult this 'conversion' will be?
If true.

But then again,i am a beleiver of the official version of events....and that said the damaged aircraft is 'repairable'.

 

[Jango]

How easy or difficult this 'conversion' will be?

That process will be just like how the AWACS were made AWACS in the first place. All these planes were second hand from airlines, and then converted to AWACS with the ERIEYE radar. This company did the structural modifications. patricomp - Assembly

 

[Safriz]

That process will be just like how the AWACS were made AWACS in the first place. All these planes were second hand from airlines, and then converted to AWACS with the ERIEYE radar. This company did the structural modifications. patricomp - Assembly

That brings us to the cost effectiveness of the conversion (if thats what is happening.)

 

[Jango]

That brings us to the cost effectiveness of the conversion (if thats what is happening.)

Yes it does.

A pressure bulkhead damage as VCheng said, is not easy to repair, consider you got the damage from an RPG (other parts could have been damaged as well), so the cost of repair of the supposedly damaged aircraft might not be found feasible by PAF. So maybe they can just reserve this aircraft for cannibalization, while J019 gets converted to AWACS.

There are alot of variables, and the above written is just one plausible scenario.

 

[Safriz]

An airplane seen in a picture may not necessarily airworthy with a breached pressure bulkhead.

Personally, I would trust an "official" email more if the beginning letter of each sentence in the body were capitalized, but that is just me, I guess, never mind the other mistakes.

The plane in that picture was 10040 or 10045.
The most probable candidate for being the damaged plane was 10025 (The erieye in the last years Dubai airshow).

 

[VCheng]

It is at times like this one knows why our elders tired to teach us that "Honesty is the best policy". Truth always comes out, and trying to hide it only makes the inevitable reckoning more painful.

 

[VCheng]

That particular image does lead a lot to be desired..
What is needed to quell the rumors is something similar to the flightline display of the Mirages in 71.. to dispel claims of them being shot down.

IF such a display can be demonstrated. IF.

 

[notorious_eagle]

IF such a display can be demonstrated. IF.

PAF does not give a damn what a bunch of fanboys here in the forum are speculating. Unless they are challenged in the media, they will never line the Erieye's up for a demonstration. As far as they are concerned, let all the fanboys on the forum speculate as much as they want. The only person who can clear this ambiguity up online is Sir @Muradk.

 

[Safriz]

PAF does not give a damn what a bunch of fanboys here in the forum are speculating. Unless they are challenged in the media, they will never line the Erieye's up for a demonstration. As far as they are concerned, let all the fanboys on the forum speculate as much as they want. The only person who can clear this ambiguity up online is Sir @Muradk.

Its not just PDF.... Poplular beleif is the same....even among armed forces.
Such a demonsteration will certainly boost the morale of nation and bring back the trust in PAF which has been lost after Kamra attack.
An 'armed force' who failed to protect their most expensive and important asset deserves to lose respect,and thats what has happened after kamra attack. Even the 'fanboys' lost respect for PAF.

 

[Safriz]

EVen the news report of 'one erieye damaged' was not from PAF but from inerior minister.
There was no details everrekeased by PAF about what damage was caused in the attack.
Such disregard to good Public relations by keeping the people in the dark has caused harm to PAF's image.
PAF has got a PR department and they certainly arent doing their job.

 

[Jango]

EVen the news report of 'one erieye damaged' was not from PAF but from inerior minister.

Correction. Not interior minister, Defence minister, Naveed Qamar, that too at an Iftar party at the Iranian embassy.

There was no details everrekeased by PAF about what damage was caused in the attack.

“The base has been cleared. The operation has been completed,” a PAF spokesman said after over five hours of fierce gun battle between militants and Pakistani military commandos.

Although the TTP spokesman claims the militants attacked the base from two sides, it was not clear how the attackers managed to enter the sprawling base.

The gunmen disguised themselves in uniforms armed with automatic weapons, grenades and suicide vests, the air force said.

“Other miscreants then fired RPGs from outside the base boundary wall. As a result one PAF aircraft got damaged,” it added in a statement

Taliban claim attack on Minhas base; nine militants killed | DAWN.COM.

 

[Safriz]

^^^ Ok that means an official statement was released but published in a way that it got lost in the very long news article...
No wonder i never came across this one..
All i ever read was tha 'iftar party' statement,which was originally published as 'AWACS nozzle' damaged instead of 'nose'.
Our news papers published TTP spokes person statement in more detail and more prominently than PAF spokes person's..

 

[VCheng]

PAF does not give a damn what a bunch of fanboys here in the forum are speculating. Unless they are challenged in the media, they will never line the Erieye's up for a demonstration. As far as they are concerned, let all the fanboys on the forum speculate as much as they want. The only person who can clear this ambiguity up online is Sir @Muradk.

Of course. The Armed Forces have a tradition of not giving a damn about public opinion to uphold. I understand.

 

[Jango]

...
Our news papers published TTP spokes person statement in more detail and more prominently than PAF spokes person's..

Because the PAF never gave a concrete statement. It was first said by spokesman that a refueler, then nothing happened, then a AWACS slightly damaged, then nozzle, then nose cone and then changed to damaged.

Anyways, this all has been discussed to death on the main thread.

The thing I find funny here is some people expected a PAF MD person to honestly tell everything to a anonymous/ stranger by email!!! Very naive thinking. Oh well.

I promised someone to not get into this fiasco again, and am gonna keep it.

Good day.