Thackeray wants Hindu Sucide squad

[Flintlock]

Wrong.

What is common to both is patriotism and ethnicity.

The problem in Palestine isn't Islam, it is Palestinian nationhood and the Arab ethnicity.

Oh alright, I agree with you partially.

A big reason for Palestinians suicide bombing etc. is infact the occupation.
However, the motivation is always deeply religious. Unfortunately, in this case it happens to be Islam, but any religion would probably do the trick.
(except maybe buddhism)

However, I would want to dissociate the Palestinians from the rest of the Islamic extremists, who have nothing to do with Palestine but claim to fight for Islam.

They LTTE also does not consider the West directly responsible for subjugating Arabs and usurping their territory.

No, I think they're smarter..lol...they smuggle western weapons and use them against the Sinhalese.

But you are missing the point. Tamils in India, Indonesia, USA, Britain are not offering to become human bombs or claiming to fight for Hinduism.

The LTTE considers India responsible for sabotaging their struggle. Yet, the southern coast of India is completely peaceful.

Arabs consider Israel as being the creation of the West, and supported and defended by it, and hence as being as responsible as the Israelis.

Well, from what the Israeils say, they were willing to coexist peacefully with Palestinians and share the land until they realized that Muslims hate Jews.

Whom to believe?

The Iranians have their own political beef with the West, specifically the US and Britain. But even there we are talking about the extremist fringe, which you keep bringing up to justify your arguments against the moderate majority.

The Extremists are in power, not only that, the extremists who are in power are the highest authority on religious matters in that country.

This can hardly be called a "Fringe".

For the record, we have no proof that the majority of Iranians hate the regime. For all you know, only the vocal upper classes are immune to the charms of that ideology.

Most religious leaders talk about the rise of their faith. Nothing weird about that.

Yes, most monothestic leaders talk about that.

I am yet to see a Hindu Saint or a Buddhist leader talk about expanding his faith in a warlike manner.

 

[Flintlock]

Thakrey follows Hinduism which has billions of followers.
And lets not say Hinduism is not an extremist religion.

Yes, and do you know what Wahhabi priests teach?

Do you know what Hindu spiritual gurus teach?

Can you tell the difference?

 

[EagleEyes]

Yes, and do you know what Wahhabi priests teach?

Do you know what Hindu spiritual gurus teach?

Can you tell the difference?

Why are you comparing good apples with the bad apples?

Compare good apples with good apples.

Can't you see the difference?

 

[Flintlock]

does he preach?

surely Bal Thackeray is a follower of radical, violent, Hinduism also?

He repeats what the wahhabis taught him.

We all know what the wahhabis teach. Don't we?

Aren't the Pakistanis themselves complaining about the Wahhabi madarassas spewing extremism? Didn't Musharraf ban Saudi-funded madarassas?

 

[Flintlock]

Why are you comparing good apples with the bad apples?

Compare good apples with good apples.

Can't you see the difference?

This isn't just one bad apple, Its millon of bad apples. The Whole of Saudi Arabia follows Wahhabism.
The whole of Iran follows the Ayatollah.

There isn't a single Hindu spiritual guru who can be claimed to be an extremist. That's because the very concept is missing in Hinduism.

 

[EagleEyes]

^Please dont go off topic. We all know about Wahhabism and it is nothing like what you preach!

 

[nitesh]

Please dont be so naive. You in India is thought to know that.

Of course when in a debate.

Me good good.. and you bad bad. Very bad!

I am not being naive. I am just requesting you to please back up the words with facts.

Obviously in debate. Me good good you bad bad

 

[roadrunner]

Sir, can you please backup the words you just posted with some facts.

To be honest, he's not wrong when he says that Thackeray has a following of many millions of people. He has after all secured the backing of the provincial mayor of Mahrashtra, who in turn has been "democratically" elected by the millions of Maharastra.

So Thackeray must have millions of followers, as this is a democracy we're talking about, right?

But he would be about as much a representation of Hinduism as Bin Laden is of Islam.

 

[shrivatsa]

To be honest, he's not wrong when he says that Thackeray has a following of many millions of people. He has after all secured the backing of the provincial mayor of Mahrashtra, who in turn has been "democratically" elected by the millions of Maharastra.

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Provincial mayor of Maharashtra, can u name him? please

 

[Flintlock]

To be honest, he's not wrong when he says that Thackeray has a following of many millions of people. He has after all secured the backing of the provincial mayor of Mahrashtra, who in turn has been "democratically" elected by the millions of Maharastra.

So Thackeray must have millions of followers, as this is a democracy we're talking about, right?

But he would be about as much a representation of Hinduism as Bin Laden is of Islam.

Bal Thackeray had expressed his desire of hindu suicide bombers in 2002.

In response, thousands of hindus volunteered to do his bidding. (NOT).

Osama Bin Laden expressed his desire for global Jehad.

Response: Muslims from all over the world are regularly signing up to serve the noble cause.

 

[vish]

Thakrey follows Hinduism which has billions of followers.

Correct; Thackeray is a Hindu and a pretty extreme one (though this is largely for political gains) at that.

Correct; Hinduism has a billion followers.

And lets not say Hinduism is not an extremist religion.

Every religion has moderates and extremes. Certain sects within every religion are extremist.

So, stating that Hinduism is an extremist religion is a very absurd viewpoint.

I also do not say that Islam is an extremist religion; however, I'll maintain that Islam is going through the lowest point in its history and the reason behind this has much to do with the Muslim World and its habitants and their actions.

If Islam (including its habitants) does not set itself insync with the rest of the world, this "period" will continue.

 

[EagleEyes]

Suicide bomber targets J&K Assembly
By Shujaat Bukhari

SRINAGAR, OCT. 1. Twenty-two persons, mostly civilians, were killed and 60 injured when a suicide bomber blew himself up outside the Jammu and Kashmir State Assembly here today.

In the gunbattle that followed, two militants of the Jaish-e- Mohammad, four employees of the legislature and two BSF jawans were killed and 12 security personnel, including a Superintendent of Police and a Deputy Commandant, injured. The Legislative Council was gutted.

The Chief Minister, Dr. Farooq Abdullah, and his Ministerial colleagues had left the venue but the Speaker, Mr. Abdul Ahad Vakil, the Chairman of the Legislative Council, Mr. A. R. Dar, the Law Minister, Mr. Mushtaq Lone, and some other legislators were rescued by the Border Security Force.

Around 1.50 p.m., a Tata Sumo, bearing the registration number, JK01C-1342, forced its entry through a sealed point at the Jehangir crossing towards the Assembly complex. The militants, in police uniform, had hijacked the Government vehicle from Babarshah area. The vehicle went past the barricade, where many security personnel are posted, to the gate. Three militants alighted from the vehicle while the fourth blew himself up along with the vehicle carrying explosives. The vehicle exploded with a deafening sound, killing at least 14 persons on the spot besides smashing a number of vehicles.

Meanwhile, the three militants sneaked into the complex, firing in all the directions. Mr. Lone, who was inside the complex, told The Hindu ``I had just come out of the Assembly and was with the Chairman of the Council when the blast took place. We were told that the militants were inside and had shot at least four persons. The two persons I had sent to inquire about the incident returned with bullet injuries.''

The Director-General of Police, Mr. A. K. Suri, and the Deputy- Inspector General, BSF, Mr. B. N. Kabu, came with reinforcements and rescued him, along with Mr. Vakil, Mr. Dar and many other legislators, Mr. Lone said.

Many Assembly employees were also rescued. Few were holed up inside the complex which caught fire, police said. The MLC, Ms. Dipendra Kour, said she saw two militants wearing the uniform of an Assistant Sub-Inspector and a constable.

The militants engaged the security forces in a gun battle inside the complex, which ended at 8.00 p.m. Two militants and two BSF jawans were killed. Around 12 personnel of the Special Operations group, the J & K police, and CRPF personnel were injured. The SP of the SOG, Budgam district, Mr. Sunil Dutt, and the Deputy Commandant of 66 Battalion, BSF, were also injured. All the roads leading to the area have been sealed and a curfew-like situation is prevailing.

Police said the identity of the slain militants was yet to be established. They were not sure of what happened to the surviving militant. Most probably, he escaped, they said. The deceased included an Under-Secretary of the Assembly, Mr. M. K. Handoo, and the official driver of the Speaker.

The injured were rushed to the hospital where many are battling for their lives. The impact of the blast was such that the sound was heard within the radius of three km. ``I cannot explain what happened. I only know that I am injured in a havoc'' an injured Ashiq Ahmed said.The Assembly had completed its business for the day and the Council had been adjourned shortly before the blast. Dr. Abdullah had left the venue around 1.15 p.m. Mediapersons had also left.

The Jaish-e-Mohammad has owned responsibility for the blast and said the suicide bomber was Wajahat Hussain, a resident of Suba Sarhad Pakistan. The spokesman of the outfit, who rang up a local news agency, CNS, did not divulge the number of other militants or their identity.

The Hindu : Suicide bomber targets J&K Assembly

 

[roadrunner]

Agnostic Muslims here may have disowned the extremists a long time ago, but unfortunately he cannot influence muslim thought, as is no cleric.

Oh really! How very neutral of you! only "Agnostic Muslims" have disowned extremists! Under such a paradigm, all Muslims must be extremist, since only the agnostics would want to set themselves apart from them!

I would say most of the Muslim world sets themselves apart from the extremists, be they Muslim ones (like Bin Laden), Indian ones (like Thackeray), or American ones (like the Christian right). The only support any of them would get, is political.

 

[Flintlock]

Oh really! How very neutral of you! only "Agnostic Muslims" have disowned extremists! Under such a paradigm, all Muslims must be extremist, since only the agnostics would want to set themselves apart from them!

My mistake, I meant Agnostic Muslim, the moderator.

 

[vish]

Suicide bomber targets J&K Assembly
By Shujaat Bukhari

SRINAGAR, OCT. 1. Twenty-two persons, mostly civilians, were killed and 60 injured when a suicide bomber blew himself up outside the Jammu and Kashmir State Assembly here today.

In the gunbattle that followed, two militants of the Jaish-e- Mohammad, four employees of the legislature and two BSF jawans were killed and 12 security personnel, including a Superintendent of Police and a Deputy Commandant, injured. The Legislative Council was gutted.

The Chief Minister, Dr. Farooq Abdullah, and his Ministerial colleagues had left the venue but the Speaker, Mr. Abdul Ahad Vakil, the Chairman of the Legislative Council, Mr. A. R. Dar, the Law Minister, Mr. Mushtaq Lone, and some other legislators were rescued by the Border Security Force.

Around 1.50 p.m., a Tata Sumo, bearing the registration number, JK01C-1342, forced its entry through a sealed point at the Jehangir crossing towards the Assembly complex. The militants, in police uniform, had hijacked the Government vehicle from Babarshah area. The vehicle went past the barricade, where many security personnel are posted, to the gate. Three militants alighted from the vehicle while the fourth blew himself up along with the vehicle carrying explosives. The vehicle exploded with a deafening sound, killing at least 14 persons on the spot besides smashing a number of vehicles.

Meanwhile, the three militants sneaked into the complex, firing in all the directions. Mr. Lone, who was inside the complex, told The Hindu ``I had just come out of the Assembly and was with the Chairman of the Council when the blast took place. We were told that the militants were inside and had shot at least four persons. The two persons I had sent to inquire about the incident returned with bullet injuries.''

The Director-General of Police, Mr. A. K. Suri, and the Deputy- Inspector General, BSF, Mr. B. N. Kabu, came with reinforcements and rescued him, along with Mr. Vakil, Mr. Dar and many other legislators, Mr. Lone said.

Many Assembly employees were also rescued. Few were holed up inside the complex which caught fire, police said. The MLC, Ms. Dipendra Kour, said she saw two militants wearing the uniform of an Assistant Sub-Inspector and a constable.

The militants engaged the security forces in a gun battle inside the complex, which ended at 8.00 p.m. Two militants and two BSF jawans were killed. Around 12 personnel of the Special Operations group, the J & K police, and CRPF personnel were injured. The SP of the SOG, Budgam district, Mr. Sunil Dutt, and the Deputy Commandant of 66 Battalion, BSF, were also injured. All the roads leading to the area have been sealed and a curfew-like situation is prevailing.

Police said the identity of the slain militants was yet to be established. They were not sure of what happened to the surviving militant. Most probably, he escaped, they said. The deceased included an Under-Secretary of the Assembly, Mr. M. K. Handoo, and the official driver of the Speaker.

The injured were rushed to the hospital where many are battling for their lives. The impact of the blast was such that the sound was heard within the radius of three km. ``I cannot explain what happened. I only know that I am injured in a havoc'' an injured Ashiq Ahmed said.The Assembly had completed its business for the day and the Council had been adjourned shortly before the blast. Dr. Abdullah had left the venue around 1.15 p.m. Mediapersons had also left.

The Jaish-e-Mohammad has owned responsibility for the blast and said the suicide bomber was Wajahat Hussain, a resident of Suba Sarhad Pakistan. The spokesman of the outfit, who rang up a local news agency, CNS, did not divulge the number of other militants or their identity.

The Hindu : Suicide bomber targets J&K Assembly

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