Terrorist takes Australian cafe customers hostage:

[Pakistani E]

How do you feel that he was another committed sunni?
For me, it means that the cancer of wahabism, becomes more important than ones race, ...
Look at the list below to find it out:

Very informative post
Another proof that the cancer of wahabism needs to be stopped.

One thing brother, don't equate wahabis with Sunnis or Salafis. The wahabis represent no one but their own selfish Clerics and their dreams of a khilafat born out of the blood of anyone who disagrees with them.

 

[Serpentine]

Because it is part of Iranian culture and should be respected.

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But we can not argue with Iranian cultural supremacy here can we?

You are going to play that game huh?

Hundreds of Saudis who joined terrorist groups around ME have blown up themselves or killed in action fighting for ISIS or AQ dirt bags.

Does that authorize me to say this is a part of Saudi culture? Honestly my case would be even stronger, considering how many suicide bombers with Saudi nationalities have blown up in a while, while this looked more like a lone wolf incident and ironically, this guys has denounced 'rafidis' on his FB page and has said he's proud to be a 'true' Muslim now, which we all know what a 'true' Muslim must have meant in this terrorist's dictionary.

Anyhow, good job by Australian police, may he rot in hell.

 

[jaunty]

One more death is being reported in the media. Total 3 so far (2 hostages + the scumbag)

 

[rmi5]

One thing brother, don't equate wahabis with Sunnis or Salafis. The wahabis represent no one but their own selfish Clerics and their dreams of a khilafat born out of the blood of anyone who disagrees with them.

Salafis and wahabis are the same breed, also Hanbalis in general. Sunnis in general are different. Hanafis, Shafi'i, and Malikis are very different from Hanbalis. Hanafis, Shafi'is and Malkis are respectful people.

 

[T-Faz]

Then you must understand that the "Wahhabi label" is actually a modern revival by Khomeni and his successor in his Anti-Arab propaganda that the entire world swallowed up like a **** star swallows hot jizz.

Yes, its not an Arab specific thing, but rather a Muslim specific thing. Let me list a few events which have led to the rise of Modern Islamic extremism.

• Fall of Ottoman Empire
• End of Ottoman Caliphate
• Arab world being divided between the British and the French
• Call for revival of true Islam and caliphate in the sub-continent
• Birth of political Islam in Egypt
• House of Saud conquering Hijaz
• Creation of Israel
• Rise and fall of Arabic nationalism
• Oil wealth gained by certain hardline Arabs
• United Islamic revival being pursued by Pakistan
• Iranian revolution
• Afghan War
• Rapid Islamisation of the Muslim world
• Bosnian war
• 9/11

Oil and Arabs play a major role in this though. Bernard Lewis, a prominent Islamic scholar, made a good comment about this.

The development of oil made a tremendous difference in every respect, one of which I think is important and has not been generally mentioned. The kind of Islam that is represented by Osama bin Laden, this radical, extreme kind of Islam, did originate in Arabia and--as far back as the 18th century--and it would have remained in Arabia, had it not been for oil.

Let me explain what I mean. Imagine that some such group as the Ku Klux Klan or the Aryan Nation or one of th--one of those were suddenly to come into the possession of unlimited wealth and use that money to set up schools and colleges all over the world, promoting their particular version of Christianity. Then you get an idea of what has happened to Islam as a result of the enormous wealth that oil has brought to some people in Saudi Arabia. It has enabled them to set up schools and colleges all over the Muslim world, teaching their brand of Islam, this kind of fanatical, extremist version of Islam which has thus acquired a--a scope, an expanse--an expansion which it could never otherwise have had. Without oil money, this kind of Islam would have remained a fringe group in a marginal country.
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What Went Wrong?: Western Impact and Middle Eastern Response

The current rise of Islamic extremist is influenced and spread by the fundamental thought that is prevalent in Saudi Arabia. We call it Wahhabism because it was influenced by Abdul Wahab.

 

[Mosamania]

What I am referring to is the ideology that is exploiting its similarity with the Salafis by recruiting impressionable young people and turning them towards following their extremist and violent political ideology. And please, Al Qaeda, ISIS etc are not Sunnis. They have killed the most Sunnis around the world. They are what I referred to as the splinter group of extremists who exploit the good name of Salafis and paint themselves as the defenders of the Ummah.

If you want to really get to the bottom of it, then see the first person to champion political Islam and the need to fight those Infidels, and that would be Sayyed Qutb, the father of Muslim Brotherhood, the very first Political Islam driven none state actor fighting group was actually the Muslim Brotherhood, and when King Faisal took them in when Jamal Abdulnasser was fighting them during the cold war was his greatest mistake, they came to Saudi Arabia and started Al-Sahwah movement which resulted in a mass social engineering project which resulted in the Saudi Arabia you see today.

Of course you didn't know that, because this is not what have been shoved inside your head, it is "Wahhabism" why? Because my mosque's mulla says so. Go learn history objectively and search and read on what I mentioned here then come back to me.

 

[Sneaker]

Mofo has been neutralized. Looking at the footage, he is full of lead by now...

 

[Bratva]

How do you feel that he was another committed sunni?

Errr, It's better I exercise Taqiyya about how do I feel

 

[Mosamania]

Yes, its not an Arab specific thing, but rather a Muslim specific thing. Let me list a few events which have led to the rise of Modern Islamic extremism.

• Fall of Ottoman Empire
• End of Ottoman Caliphate
• Arab world being divided between the British and the French
• Call for revival of true Islam and caliphate in the sub-continent
• House of Saud conquering Hijaz
• Creation of Israel
• Rise and fall of Arabic nationalism
• Oil wealth gained by certain hardline Arabs
• United Islamic revival being pursued by Pakistan
• Iranian revolution
• Afghan War
• Rapid Islamisation of the Muslim world
• Bosnian war
• 9/11

Oil and Arabs play a major role in this though. Bernard Lewis, a prominent Islamic scholar, made a good comment about this.

The development of oil made a tremendous difference in every respect, one of which I think is important and has not been generally mentioned. The kind of Islam that is represented by Osama bin Laden, this radical, extreme kind of Islam, did originate in Arabia and--as far back as the 18th century--and it would have remained in Arabia, had it not been for oil.

Let me explain what I mean. Imagine that some such group as the Ku Klux Klan or the Aryan Nation or one of th--one of those were suddenly to come into the possession of unlimited wealth and use that money to set up schools and colleges all over the world, promoting their particular version of Christianity. Then you get an idea of what has happened to Islam as a result of the enormous wealth that oil has brought to some people in Saudi Arabia. It has enabled them to set up schools and colleges all over the Muslim world, teaching their brand of Islam, this kind of fanatical, extremist version of Islam which has thus acquired a--a scope, an expanse--an expansion which it could never otherwise have had. Without oil money, this kind of Islam would have remained a fringe group in a marginal country.
​

What Went Wrong?: Western Impact and Middle Eastern Response

The current rise of Islamic extremist is influenced and spread by the fundamental thought that is prevalent in Saudi Arabia. We call it Wahhabism because it was influenced by Abdul Wahab.

While you present a strong argument let me revise that Time line better.

• Fall of the Ottoman Empire.
• Arab Nationalism rise.
• Ikhwan rebel on Ibn-Saud.
• Creation of Israel.
• Soviet support for Arab nationalism.
• Islamic roots movement lead by the Muslim Brotherhood.
• American support for Islamic movement to oppose Arab nationalism.
• King Saud set's up a President and Prime Minister office in preparation for a soviet lead Saudi Baath.
• King Faisal overthrows King Saud, King Saud escapes to Egypt.
• King Faisal invites the Muslim Brotherhood to use Saudi Arabia as base of operations against Nasserist Egypt.
• Muslim Brotherhood starts the Sahwah Movement in Saudi Arabia.
• UAE and Saudi Arabia go into schism over the MB.
• A strong Anti-Baath, Anti-Soviet mentality rise in Saudi Arabia from Sayyed Qutb Teachings.
• Iranian Revolution and the rise of a new political Islam front.
• Grand Mosque siezure and the quickening of the Sahwah Movement.
• Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.
• US capitalizes on Arab Islamic faction to weaken the soviets based in Saudi Arabia.
• Bosnian War where the same was repeated.
• 9/11.

The rise of modern Islamic extremism is not based on AbdulWahab teachings as many would have you believe, it is based on the political Islam (US) vs Baath and Arab nationalism (USSR) remnants of the cold war. Once people realize this the better.

So I really find it really poetic that the bastard child of the Muslim brotherhood ISIS is fighting the very same thing they were designed to fight many many years ago, Baathists.

 

[rmi5]

Errr, It's better I exercise Taqiyya on my feelings

No problem my brother. Technically you can only exercise Taqqiya when your life is in danger, but mullah rmi5 issues the fatwa that Sheikh Bratva is OK to exercise it whenever he wants.

 

[elszADaQ]

What is the one thing that is common between Al Qaeda, ISIS and the House of Sau'd?

Historically, the Kharijite sect separated from the mainstream Islam and the jihadist phenomenon of the 21st century that we are currently witnessing is the continuation of that same misguided denomination which deviated from the mainstream Islam. So naturally, in our times, this misguided bunch happen to stray form the mainstream Islam. You can't hold the mainstream Muslims accountable for actions perpetrated by savages of ISIS/AQ just like you can't blame the sahaba (ra) for the death of Ali (RA). I myself have a shafi'i background and what you call "Wahhabis" are nothing but mainstream orthodox Muslims.

 

[Falcon29]

Sadfuly while you present an argument, or at least try to, is not factual. To truly understand the origin of Islamic extremism one must understand the Saud-Faisal schism, the Cold war, The Saud movement, the Ikhwan, and Sayyed Qutb. And how they all play together and intertwine. To simply point fingers and say "It is from this land, burn it, burn it to hell" is the argument I would suspect from a shoe, or a mentality close to that of a shoe.

No need to point fingers at anybody. Muslim brotherhood nor Saudi's are not to blame. It is man himself who is responsible for actions. Some people as you know have obsession with Saudi Arabia and want to conquer it. You can't change their fanatical mindset. People here(including you) know I'm not so pro-Saudi government but for other reasons and not reasons people here attribute to them. They make them sound extremist when in reality Saudi government is secular/royal family. Anyone who is starting flame war is being childish.

 

[T-Faz]

While you present a strong argument let me revise that Time line better.

• Fall of the Ottoman Empire.
• Arab Nationalism rise.
• Ikhwan rebel on Ibn-Saud.
• Creation of Israel.
• Soviet support for Arab nationalism.
• Islamic roots movement lead by the Muslim Brotherhood.
• American support for Islamic movement to oppose Arab nationalism.
• King Saud set's up a President and Prime Minister office in preparation for a soviet lead Saudi Baath.
• King Faisal overthrows King Saud, King Saud escapes to Egypt.
• King Faisal invites the Muslim Brotherhood to use Saudi Arabia as base of operations against Nasserist Egypt.
• Muslim Brotherhood starts the Sahwah Movement in Saudi Arabia.
• UAE and Saudi Arabia go into schism over the MB.
• A strong Anti-Baath, Anti-Soviet mentality rise in Saudi Arabia from Sayyed Qutb Teachings.
• Iranian Revolution and the rise of a new political Islam front.
• Grand Mosque siezure and the quickening of the Sahwah Movement.
• Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.
• US capitalizes on Arab Islamic faction to weaken the soviets based in Saudi Arabia.
• Bosnian War where the same was repeated.
• 9/11.

The rise of modern Islamic extremism is not based on AbdulWahab teachings as many would have you believe, it is based on the political Islam (US) vs Baath and Arab nationalism (USSR) remnants of the cold war. Once people realize this the better.

Your timeline is heavier on the Saudi side, and it makes sense considering the clout Saudi Arabia has. I also think that without Saudi Arabia, Islamic extremism would still be a major issue because of a lack of reformation in Islam.

Islam is too easy to hijack only because its adherents do not question its purpose in the time we live in.

 

[al-Hasani]

You are going to play that game huh?

Hundreds of Saudis who joined terrorist groups around ME have blown up themselves or killed in action fighting for ISIS or AQ dirt bags.

Does that authorize me to say this is a part of Saudi culture? Honestly my case would be even stronger, considering how many suicide bombers with Saudi nationalities have blown up in a while, while this looked more like a lone wolf incident and ironically, this guys has denounced 'rafidis' on his FB page and has said he's proud to be a 'true' Muslim now, which we all know what a 'true' Muslim must have meant in this terrorist's dictionary.

Anyhow, good job by Australian police, may he rot in hell.

Hundreds? More like 100 at the VERY most. Try harder next time. No more than 2000 Saudi Arabians have joined the fighting in Iraq AND Syria IN TOTAL on all sides. Yes, there were also some Shia Saudi Arabians who joined the gangs of Al-Assad.

While you present a strong argument let me revise that Time line better.

• Fall of the Ottoman Empire.
• Arab Nationalism rise.
• Ikhwan rebel on Ibn-Saud.
• Creation of Israel.
• Soviet support for Arab nationalism.
• Islamic roots movement lead by the Muslim Brotherhood.
• American support for Islamic movement to oppose Arab nationalism.
• King Saud set's up a President and Prime Minister office in preparation for a soviet lead Saudi Baath.
• King Faisal overthrows King Saud, King Saud escapes to Egypt.
• King Faisal invites the Muslim Brotherhood to use Saudi Arabia as base of operations against Nasserist Egypt.
• Muslim Brotherhood starts the Sahwah Movement in Saudi Arabia.
• UAE and Saudi Arabia go into schism over the MB.
• A strong Anti-Baath, Anti-Soviet mentality rise in Saudi Arabia from Sayyed Qutb Teachings.
• Iranian Revolution and the rise of a new political Islam front.
• Grand Mosque siezure and the quickening of the Sahwah Movement.
• Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.
• US capitalizes on Arab Islamic faction to weaken the soviets based in Saudi Arabia.
• Bosnian War where the same was repeated.
• 9/11.

The rise of modern Islamic extremism is not based on AbdulWahab teachings as many would have you believe, it is based on the political Islam (US) vs Baath and Arab nationalism (USSR) remnants of the cold war. Once people realize this the better.

So I really find it really poetic that the bastard child of the Muslim brotherhood ISIS is fighting the very same thing they were designed to fight many many years ago, Baathists.

Historically, the Kharijite sect separated from the mainstream Islam and the jihadist phenomenon of the 21st century that we are currently witnessing is the continuation of that same misguided denomination which deviated from the mainstream Islam. So naturally, in our times, this misguided bunch happen to stray form the mainstream Islam. You can't hold the mainstream Muslims accountable for actions perpetrated by savages of ISIS/AQ just like you can't blame the sahaba (ra) for the death of Ali (RA). I myself have a shafi'i background and what you call "Wahhabis" are nothing but mainstream orthodox Muslims.

No need to point fingers at anybody. Muslim brotherhood nor Saudi's are not to blame. It is man himself who is responsible for actions. Some people as you know have obsession with Saudi Arabia and want to conquer it. You can't change their fanatical mindset. People here(including you) know I'm not so pro-Saudi government but for other reasons and not reasons people here attribute to them. They make them sound extremist when in reality Saudi government is secular/royal family. Anyone who is starting flame war is being childish.

This thread has nothing to do with KSA but concerns a Farsi terrorist that was just killed in Canada. None of the people discussing here are historians nor experts on those topics and everyone has their own bias. Pointless discussion.

 

[MarkusS]

looks like they shot this bastard...we already have mass demonstrations in europe against islam. This is water on the mills