Terrorist Attack On PAF camp Badaber : 29 people massacred, 13 terrorists killed.

[Mrc]

Link ?? How is this confirmed??

 

[Black Richi Rich]

Link ?? How is this confirmed??

ptv did an interview with the pilot its confirmed on this thread.
Pak Army Aviation helicopter hard landing under fire

 

[Mrc]

Link or you are just a liar spreading rumors...

 

[Mrc]

Sory i take it back..... just saw the news

 

[Mrc]

But than there is not a huge cover up if people are freely telling what actually happened and its being aired on government run channel

 

[MastanKhan]

are you kidding, sir. I and @Areesh and couple of others said that yesterday, 40 pages ago, this is a huge security failure, all the gallantry aside. Let's see here, I've studied and implemented security and planning professionally. And enemies knocking on your front door of sensitive military location, able to inflict so much pain, means your security sucks balls.

The worst performance was displayed at the GHQ 6 years ago. Where they only had a front guard check post that enemies were able to infiltrate easily and access the inner rings of the GHQ. Both Kamra and Mehran bases were just as bad if not worse. This one here, wasn't bad at those level but still a huge security failure.

When you design security for a sensitive, high target location. You implement security in tiers. Most commonly in three tiers, outer, inner and a mid level. But depending on high profile nature of a place you can increase the tiers. So lets see, the outer layer would be your guard check post with id scanners and a road block barrier. The barrier is very important as it impedes and controls traffic i.e. car or truck laden with explosives. Now comes your mid level ring. This is where you're going to post your heavy duty gear, more scanners and heavy duty barriers. The most important rule of thumb is, you cannot have any soft targets, offices, cafeterias, gyms, playgrounds, places of worships, in between the outer and mid level. Because in the even the outer tier is breached enemy can inflict damage on you. As in this case, where terrorist were limited to the outer check post but still were able to access the mosque and kill people.

So, now you've implement your three tiers. Are you safe? No. Question is what kind of coordination and communication you have between your security rings. If the outer level is engaged, are they alerting the mid and inner level immediatly. Without cooperation, your security apparatus falls to it's knees.

This isn't the first time a Pakistani military base came under attack. They should have upgraded their security after GHQ breached. You live in the US, you've seen how security of buildings where public must have access works. Rings and rings of security is in place. Heavy duty barriers, guard dogs, scanners, the works. It can be done in Pakistan, too. But only if they value human life. Sadly, they dont. A soldier dying while engaged with terrorists is praised beyond words, but no body, not even his family, asks questions, why their son was killed? it was due to your poor security that you failed to protect my son. But no body asks questions. And thus, the powers that be, continue to play with the lives of poor Pakistanis.

Hi,

Thank you for your comments---. At this time---Pakistan needs North Korea style solution----.

 

[Black Richi Rich]

But than there is not a huge cover up if people are freely telling what actually happened and its being aired on government run channel

its a cover up when the pilot of a helo confirms he was shotdown and dg ispr says he wasnt

 

[Mrc]

its a cover up when the pilot of a helo confirms he was shotdown and dg ispr says he wasnt

Well they have played it down...i agree..

But does it even matter??
U go to war ... u loose people ... u loose equipment...so what.

If any one thinks the people of pakistan are going to bow to will of a bastard retard mullah and his illegal born goones just caz they can explode a bomb or shoot at an heli...
They shud think again

 

[DV RULES]

Brashness cannot be utilised in our situation. However, we need to be equally hard against all sympathizers.


See, that's the point DV, most of the people are not aware of the sheer volume of intelligence/counterintell that Pakistan is experiencing. Reason? We're at war. These guys didn't attack a civilian institute, they attacked a military base. All of us have been told what the situation is and the best we can do is to remain prepared. That was adequately done.

They are commissioned to protect Pakistan & its people under the constitution of Pakistan and when they attacked then please don't categorize by type of system but THEY ATTACK WHOLE PAKISTAN.......So because of this ...me, you and every one is worrying, debating, arguing, asking what happen, what to do, how to do and with whom. That is the unity and lets give gesture to military that they are not alone but every person of this nation is military man under constitutional obligations and they stand with their armed forces in common fight against Terrorism and to defend constitutional borders of Pakistan.

Thats because you are talking to experience. Learn from it. It will help.
Araz

Thanks, I will return experience with some candies.......Keep it.

 

[Shamain]

I will not ban you, I have nothing against a difference of opinion, I welcome it. That's how you diversify ideas and come up with a solution.
Yaar I am a military man, and as dense I might seem, I am also a part of this nation's front line against terrorism. Curse your luck

 

[araz]

They are commissioned to protect Pakistan & its people under the constitution of Pakistan and when they attacked then please don't categorize by type of system but THEY ATTACK WHOLE PAKISTAN.......So because of this ...me, you and every one is worrying, debating, arguing, asking what happen, what to do, how to do and with whom. That is the unity and lets give gesture to military that they are not alone but every person of this nation is military man under constitutional obligations and they stand with their armed forces in common fight against Terrorism and to defend constitutional borders of Pakistan.



Thanks, I will return experience with some candies.......Keep it.

I read your full post and retracted the snarl of a response . I think we all have to understand the difficult task facing the ISI. They get hundreds of reports of impending attacks but how do you determine which one to act upon. The resources are limited and you can only do so much. There maybe a lot of "daikha jaiga jee" which is inherent in our mindset. While agreeing that the mindset needs to change softer targets will always remain vulnerable as army cannot be every where. These are difficult times and difficult decisions sometimes have to be made.
Analyse any event in history and you will see a clear trend of evid3nce pointing to the event. Why was it not acted upon is sometimes the negligence of one person, or the simple case of distribution of resources to guard the hard targets. N9thing is ever perfect with a retrospectoscope. We are in a state of war and losses though regetful will happen. This is the ground reality.
As to candies you can send them to @ jaibi. Iam sure he will be very pleased to receive them. I am not at the candy eating stage now
A

 

[monitor]

Pakistan military installations attacked by terrorists since 2009

 

[shaheenmissile]

Pakistan military installations attacked by terrorists since 2009

and yet people have the cheek to claim that Pakistani military is supporting Taliban.,

 

[ziaulislam]

a weak spot is plcae where people gather, the mosque should have been more secure loation. this is happening again and again . better planning is needed, even now multiple bases have next to zerp security besides a boundary wall. we need better tech

 

[Mrc]

And in return taliban own casuality is running around probably 50000 dead around 30000 in jails and very little capability to cause chaos despite police forces in pak being non existant