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No offense man, I have always regarded your posts with respect even if I vehemently disagree with them.
Hoping I am not going off -topic I would like to offer a rebuttal.
You are right when you say India has the motive and means to sponsor TTP inside Pakistan. I would be lying if I refuted this.
Now motive and means are not sufficient to indict someone specially a country. We require hard evidence too and so far we have seen little to none verified evidences of our support to TTP.
What you would like from us is the proof of our non involvement - unfortunately as of yet there is no way to proove a negative.
On the other hand it is quite possible we were involved with BLA which was in response to Kashmir and Punjab but I hope you would take my word on it that any such support has been put on hold after the last tragedy. With Involvement of China and Russia we even decided to co-operate in issues regarding terrorism which included terrorism in Pakistan too. Would have been a great opportunity for our agencies to exchange information on TTP and their supply lines in Afganishtan. Both India and Pakistan would have prevailed on Afganishtan to attack these terrorist sanctuaries but that chance was lost. TTP is no friend on India and with it's linkages with ISIS our agencies would not touch them with a 100 ft pole. We have a common interest in eradicating TTP and other groups in Afganishtan so that S. Asia can get peace back.
Thus you see mate - our interests are converging and behind the seen via US there is lot of intelligence being passed on about TTP and ISIS from Indian sources in Afganishtan.
Wait 3 days. That's all i am going to say.
The absence of evidence is no evidence at all. TTP is no enemy of India. We will provide you with dossiers like you provided us with. And the wheel will keep turning. There was a time 15 years ago our intel agencies were on the offensive and after 9/11 they got on the back foot. The pool we have to play with is not just the odd number of Kashmiris anymore. In 15 years after 1998 that pool has grown to 200 million. All that is required is the amount of money that India is playing with. If in 5 years we somehow match our enemies dollar for dollar in proxy war chests with a little help from our friends, Who do you think will be on top?
This game has no winners mate, only losers. I would love to debate you on the 200 Mil number and the friends angle but I think this is not the thread for it.
In dirty games of geopliticis when it comes to safeguarding own national interests, it becomes a pure case of "enemy of my enemy is my friend" scenrio. Throughout the history world has seen very strange bed-fellows when it comes to inflicting damage on the enemy.
Thus the thoughts of USA sponsoring likes of OBL and Mujahideen (the predecessor of Talibans), inviting them to the White House and equating them with Founding Fathers of the Nation would make absolutely no sense in academic circles, but reality says otherwise.
Right now India has every reason and motivation to support TTP. They don't have to agree with their ideology and at the face of it even arrange spordic fights with them to make a point. Don't we see similar things happening in Syria where the worst of fanatics are being supported none other than the West to fight against Asad?
So while the likes of Ajit Devil, Manohar and co sitting in the govt, Modi pating them on the back, and ready foot soldiers available in Afghanistan in form of TTP, Northern Alliance etc, you are telling me, India is just not interested and not providing them any support (financial, training etc.).?
Well even a 10th grade pupil can count these simple factors. There is a load of hard evidence available, also provided to the relevant powers. Of course no single power in the world is at the moment interested in going against the business interests that they have with India and hence won't say it loud. Now and then, we do hear odd voices like that of Chuck Hagel's etc, which get burried under the other media frency going on.
The world of evidence is quite crazy, can you prove that USA has supported OBL in the past and is supporting all those fanatics against Asad in Syria? Good luck with that! All what counts is the perception which media plants in the minds of masses and not the reality. Therefore, there is fat chance that India will get away with it at least for now.
Even while he was injured, Captain Asfandyar sent four scum bags to hell before achieving martyrdom.
Thank you warrior may you rest in peace.
I feel sad that despite spending so much time on PDF people have no idea how LIC work. Firstly, the ISI is not the boogyman, it's an organisation manned by humans. Therefore, from a number of threats that arise in any security calulation set ups some would be captured some would be missed or be encountered later on. This loop is regretted but entirely unavoidable, India has not experienced the same level of LIC as we have so this may be condonable for you guys to get. It was the raised level of alert that thwarted the TTP from doing any real damage. Yes, you read that right: this number of casualty is not real damage as we are at war. Literally.
Secondly, the enemy adapts the local population to camouflage itself in. By eye, you cannot tell who's the TTP and who isn't, this is not a political problem as most people think but a cultural one. For centuries the pakhtun culture, which is highly individualistic, values armament, simplicity and rugged lifestyle. If you were to visit KPK then most of the time you'd be jumping and screaming (not meaning you personally just using second-pov) most of the time because most of the male population looks like the boogyman terrorist you're used to seeing on the media. Though, they're just like you and me, many are highly educated and we're no one to judge them. Thus, the TTP succeed in blending in, notice the timing of the attack, most probably, it was during change of guard where the vigilance hits a low and they attacked. Yet, this was a TTP defeat, not a PAF one. Compare what happened to previous attacks.
If you need more conviction that Pak armed forces have broken the backs of the TTP then I'd like to inform you that the US visits us and tries to learn from us how to perform well in LICs. FYI, Swat valley ops were the biggest urban infantry battle since WWII (and we did much better than the US in Falujah). Next, the more desperate the attacks get the more they signal the last attempts of TTP, here their most probable target were families, not equipment.
Thirdly, this attack was to cause as much damage as possible, not hold something (strategic) or damage something invaluable (like planes, hardware, even tarmac!) but just to kill people. Most of them non-combatants in an attempt to demoralise the nation, just like they did in the APS peshawar attack. Guess what? It back fired. This was to answer against our COAS leading the bombardment against the TTP. It failed to demoralise us and thanks to everyone's vigilance failed.
I hope everyone gets it.
@EVERYONE if you guys need assurance that this is truly so please search Shuja Nawaz's Learn from doing. It'd clear up a lot of what I've said on this topic. <EDIT>
Peshawar is very close to Khyber but the main problem is not in Khyber which has the highest literacy rate in the tribal regions higher than Kohistan, it also has Jamrud the most developed town in FATA where there is even a top mens/womens college, though a public one. It was attacked and destroyed by the Taliban and LeI has hold of the western regions while Tirah is also a battleground for some TTP elements mostly in the west too. They are led by 2 figures who began fighting each other but I do not remember the name. It is included in my report of the Taliban leadership throughout FATA and KPK.If your hollow brain paid attention. Terrorists came from Afghanistan. Through tirah valley travelling through rough patches. Attacked a area which is adjacent to one tribal agency.
Welll thats looking at the situation critically. We clearly need to be pro active and stop terrorist attacks before they occur. This has been happening for a while though with many terrorists captured since the APS attack. But more needs to be done. We need to infiltrate them. I can go myself and try if security wants it. I want to do my part as a citizen. We need proper intelligence about them and need to break their back.Wow, You are talking like when everyone supposed to be obliged to agree with you!
In my point of view, that was Intelligence/counter-Intelligence fault no matter (ABCDEFGHIJK which agencies) and security laps.
That's debatable the intensity of intelligence required in Afghanistan to thwart any potential mishap and how.
Icarus has already explained that but to mention once again NO you cannot, it is NOT a matter of courage but it is a matter of using brain and making tactical moves instead of any direct covert of overt operation against Afghanistan. Since US and Afghanistan have already been accusing Pakistan of the same but they could not launch any such operation on a mass scale against Pakistan? why ? because it unites the terrorists and bring even common man into the folds of terrorists
We know who these people are. Let me be very blunt here. These Salafi b@stards have no faith. They are cold-blooded murderers. No more funding from oil rich Arabs for the Salafi brand of hate inside Pakistan. We know what the problem is and we need to address it from its root cause. Arab funding for Salafism has destroyed Pakistan. At the same time, kick every illegal and criminal Afghan out of Pakistan. Once you address both these issues we'll be chocking the oxygen for attacks inside our nation.
Well thats looking at the situation critically. We clearly need to be pro active and stop terrorist attacks before they occur. This has been happening for a while though with many terrorists captured since the APS attack. But more needs to be done. We need to infiltrate them. I can go myself and try if security wants it. I want to do my part as a citizen. We need proper intelligence about them and need to break their back.