Terrorism have no religion "List of people killed in 2008 Mumbai attack, who were Muslims.

[ares]

These Pakistanis terrorist had no regards for Indian Muslims..more than that they had no way of knowing, who is a Muslim and who is not.

However they did let a Turkish Muslim couple go in Oberoi Hotel because they identified themselves as Turkish and started reading Kalma before they were about to be executed, while executing Singaporean and American tourists.

 

[Abingdonboy]

There are some things surprising and erratic about the Mumbai attacks. Something I have listed here in my article:

1 Pakistan and Bangladesh based militants with the support of ISI have been blamed for almost every attack in India. Can it really be true that no attack takes place without Pakistan being blamed even though India makes 1/5th of the World Population and is known for religious violence?



2 The terrorists were talking in Hindi their speaking style their interviews with the media proved they were from Hyderabad as was stated by them. Many Hyderabadis themselves confirmed that they really were from the region of Hyderabad seeing their speaking style and interview.



3 Hemant Karkare had implicated Colonel Prasad Purohit and a number of Indian Hindu terrorists for the attacks and stated that some BJP leaders could be responsible for the attacks. He was killed within the first 10 minutes of the attack. Several BJP leaders have said that "he got what he deserved" and some fanatic hindu websites stated he was a "slave of muslims"



4 It is speculated that Hemant Karkares widow did not take Modi’s compensation for this very reason and she knew he was trying to capitalize on the anger left after the attacks as a basis to demonize Muslims and blame Pakistan. Several people suggested she might have thought or known he was responsible for the attacks as well. Why did Karkares wife deny the compensation if she did not know that there was definitely something fishy surrounding the murder of here husband?



5 Hemant Karkare received death threats from Hindu fanatics a day before he was killed and he had exposed a group named Abhinav Bharat and had said it was involved in previous attacks against Muslims. Could this have been the cause of his death and the members of this shadowy outfit the perpetuators?



6 Indian forces inability to stop only 10 terrorists who caused so much damage casts major doubts about the Indian government description of the events. Several people are wondering how just 10 terrorists could cause such a massive scale of carnage killing over 170 civilians without being stopped.



7 The timing of the attacks could not be any better. Elections were just a few days ahead and this attack was set to give BJP a Right Wing Hindu Nationalist Party a major boost in the elections.



8 Jamaat Ud Dawa is a charity and all of Pakistan rallies in its support and surprisingly even the Hindus and Christians in Pakistan rallied for it claiming it was in no way a terrorist organization as it provided them with education and healthcare. JuD have over 180 schools, 40000 students and thousands who live on their aid and medical supplies daily. Is this really a terrorist organization or a victim of the same blame its neighbours that India has been doing for years. Shweta Mayur has specifically raised this point.



9 Why was Mr Qasab wearing a band that only Hindus can wear? This is the greatest blow and reveals the truth about the attacks and the attackers. The band he was wearing is a band that is worn by Hindu terrorists of the RSS.



10 Lashker E Toiba and ISI have been blamed before in Samjhauta Express and Malegaon attacks as well & it was later proven that Purohit was actually involved for both. Over 50 Pakistanis died in the same attack and this was also blamed on the Lashker E Toiba at first. So how credible is Indias version of events and what is being hidden this time?



11 The list of 20 people India gave to Pakistan include names of dead people, people not in Pakistan and people who have been in jail for years. Is this list a joke?



12 There is no family by the name of Qasab back in Faridkot Pakistan. Many Indian story tellers tried their level best to somehow change that and made fools out of themselves trying to find a Pakistani link. Some even went as far to say they found the family and Qasabs parents had accepted he was their son after seeing his picture. However no record of Qasab exists in Pakistani Records.

13 Many Indian intellectuals and think-tanks have raised the issue of the falsity of Indian governments claims and their disapproval of finger pointing saying hindu fanatics in India have committed the attack. One of these was AR Antulay Minority Affairs Minister whose comments are the biggest blow to expose the real version of events and said Karkare has been killed by Hindu fanatics and it should be probed.

14 Several Shiv Seniks had been talking about such an attack to "awaken hindus" across India and make them aware of the Islamic plot against them. RSS chief said such an attack was needed to make Hindus fight against the demon (Islam according to them)



15 A strange group of Islamic terrorists would go to a bar and have several drinks and start their rampage from there. Intellectuals have been wondering what kind of Islamic terrorists come in T-shirts and jeans completely clean shaven and would start their rampage from a bar.



16 The terrorist that killed Hemant Karkare spoke Marathi according to Maharashtra Times itself. Marathi is only spoken within India. Is he really a Pakistani or a victim of the blame game.



17 Several Police Officers have broken the silence and said that it was standard procedure to blame Pakistan for terrorist attacks. A Muslim Police Officer even stated that he was not sure that Ajmal Amir Qasab was a Pakistani.



18 It is claimed by the media that the attackers came from Karachi by sea. What was the coastguard doing all this time? And over 200 miles were crossed without the Indian coastguard noticing at all.



19 No one except Mr Modi the Chief Minister of Gujarat, the same person who is said to be responsible for the massacre of over 3000 muslim civilians in cold blood even thought about compensating the victims. What is this proving? That Hindus should follow terrorists like Modi instead of more secular Hindu parliamentarians because he is the only one who cares about terrorism?



20 The events were changed several times and several conflicting statements were made by different sources. First Mauritius ID cards were found with the terrorists, then they were not. The contradictory statements by different government officials and investigators cast a shadowy image to this situation.



21 Conveniently the same terrorist caught on tape was the one who was captured. Not only that but conveniently this same terrorist seems to be walking casually at the train station with an Ak47 in his hands and does not notice someone with a mobile camera taking pictures of him in what seems to be an empty place.



22 There was also a last letter Karkare had left if something were to happen to him to his friend in the ATS. The friend did not reveal the content but said that it would surprise the World and there were many more people that could be involved in the Samjhauta Express case.



23 The terrorists definitely knew the city inside out. They were well aware of the locations to strike and were so well acquainted with the city that they knew every corner. Even many Indians themselves did not know about the Jewish community center. Several sources have claimed that they had been living in Mumbai for at least a year to know the city so well. Were they Indian or Pakistani?



24 Why would the terrorists call their alleged leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed through VOIP in the middle of the fight when Indian commandos were pounding at the hotel? Did the terrorists really want themselves to be traced back to where they actually came from and came with all preparation passports and documents to prove they were Pakistani?



25 Several Indian media circles even went as far as to claim that the attack was the handiwork of ISI. Now what kind of intelligence agency would launch an attack that could actually be traced right back to itself? It seems that “Pakistan’s Powerful Spy Agency” is more often than not a victim of the failures of others.

So conspiracy theorist nut jobs are allowed to be "think tanks"??

I bet 9/11 was an inside job also according to you? No wonder so much is wrong with Pakistan if the efforts of your educated are going into ways of proving Pakistan has never done any wrong instead of trying to fix all that is clearly so wrong with your nation.


This really is despicable.

 

[haviZsultan]

So conspiracy theorist nut jobs are allowed to be "think tanks"??

I bet 9/11 was an inside job also according to you? No wonder so much is wrong with Pakistan if the efforts of your educated are going into ways of proving Pakistan has never done any wrong instead of trying to fix all that is clearly so wrong with your nation.


This really is despicable.

You guys lied about Samjhauta. I was in my hometown Lucknow when it happened and it was then reported Hindutvadis were responsible for the attack. It leaves a major, crippling dent on the credibility of the Indian narrative. Also as tankman pointed out there have been attacks conducted by Hindutvas in the country and hindutvas were the ones who killed Gandhi.

And how was Karkare killed. Wasn't he the one investigating the Samjhauta express case, and getting death threats too?

In Pakistan organizations of the right wing are banned like LEJ, Taliban and jundullah. But on the other hand RSS, shiv sena, VHP, Bajrang dal ranvir sena are free to do as they please. India does not even attempt to mess with these organizations. We are failing badly because of several reasons but at least we are fighting them.

Qoute me one place where I said Pakistan has done nothing wrong. Even antulay spoke up saying you guys were lying.

 

[ares]

You guys lied about Samjhauta. I was in my hometown Lucknow when it happened and it was then reported Hindutvadis were responsible for the attack. It leaves a major, crippling dent on the credibility of the Indian narrative. Also as tankman pointed out there have been attacks conducted by Hindutvas in the country and hindutvas were the ones who killed Gandhi.

And how was Karkare killed. Wasn't he the one investigating the Samjhauta express case, and getting death threats too?

In Pakistan organizations of the right wing are banned like LEJ, Taliban and jundullah. But on the other hand RSS, shiv sena, VHP, Bajrang dal ranvir sena are free to do as they please. India does not even attempt to mess with these organizations. We are failing badly because of several reasons but at least we are fighting them.

Qoute me one place where I said Pakistan has done nothing wrong. Even antulay spoke up saying you guys were lying.

We lied and you exposed our lies on Samjhauta???

If we lied, then we ourselves exposed these lies and apprehended the real people behind it.

We assure you, 26/11 in carried out from Pakistan and by Pakistanis...which something even your government agrees.

P.S No, karkare was not investigating Samjhota express case.

 

[Abingdonboy]

In Pakistan organizations of the right wing are banned like LEJ, Taliban and jundullah. But on the other hand RSS, shiv sena, VHP, Bajrang dal ranvir sena are free to do as they please

This is a basic flaw in your argument, the RSS, VHP and their ilk are not comparable to KNOWN TERROR groups who were founded with that express intent of crying out terror attacks like LEJ, LET, Taliban and such. The RSS, VHP and such a right wing fringe groups sure but they are not creating videos declaring war on anyone, claiming responsibility for any terror attacks or training terrorists. I'm not a fan of them either but to put them in the same bracket as terror groups finding sanctuary in Pakistan is an all too convenient but flawed premise.

Are there nut jobs affiliated to such organisations in India just like there are the Timothy Mcveighs in the US, yes. But are these right wing groups in India terrorist organisations? No not at all.

 

[TankMan]

Response to the OP: was there ever any doubt?

Islam vs Rest of the World has been ongoing ever since Islam's inception. Its obvious that these two can't coexist

This is not something that should be said with a smile, or said at all for that matter. Some may see it as an actual statement and you wouldn't want the Taliban to be knocking on your door to recruit you, now would you? They're getting desperate for support nowadays

There are some things surprising and erratic about the Mumbai attacks. Something I have listed here in my article:

1 Pakistan and Bangladesh based militants with the support of ISI have been blamed for almost every attack in India. Can it really be true that no attack takes place without Pakistan being blamed even though India makes 1/5th of the World Population and is known for religious violence?



2 The terrorists were talking in Hindi their speaking style their interviews with the media proved they were from Hyderabad as was stated by them. Many Hyderabadis themselves confirmed that they really were from the region of Hyderabad seeing their speaking style and interview.



3 Hemant Karkare had implicated Colonel Prasad Purohit and a number of Indian Hindu terrorists for the attacks and stated that some BJP leaders could be responsible for the attacks. He was killed within the first 10 minutes of the attack. Several BJP leaders have said that "he got what he deserved" and some fanatic hindu websites stated he was a "slave of muslims"



4 It is speculated that Hemant Karkares widow did not take Modi’s compensation for this very reason and she knew he was trying to capitalize on the anger left after the attacks as a basis to demonize Muslims and blame Pakistan. Several people suggested she might have thought or known he was responsible for the attacks as well. Why did Karkares wife deny the compensation if she did not know that there was definitely something fishy surrounding the murder of here husband?



5 Hemant Karkare received death threats from Hindu fanatics a day before he was killed and he had exposed a group named Abhinav Bharat and had said it was involved in previous attacks against Muslims. Could this have been the cause of his death and the members of this shadowy outfit the perpetuators?



6 Indian forces inability to stop only 10 terrorists who caused so much damage casts major doubts about the Indian government description of the events. Several people are wondering how just 10 terrorists could cause such a massive scale of carnage killing over 170 civilians without being stopped.



7 The timing of the attacks could not be any better. Elections were just a few days ahead and this attack was set to give BJP a Right Wing Hindu Nationalist Party a major boost in the elections.



8 Jamaat Ud Dawa is a charity and all of Pakistan rallies in its support and surprisingly even the Hindus and Christians in Pakistan rallied for it claiming it was in no way a terrorist organization as it provided them with education and healthcare. JuD have over 180 schools, 40000 students and thousands who live on their aid and medical supplies daily. Is this really a terrorist organization or a victim of the same blame its neighbours that India has been doing for years. Shweta Mayur has specifically raised this point.



9 Why was Mr Qasab wearing a band that only Hindus can wear? This is the greatest blow and reveals the truth about the attacks and the attackers. The band he was wearing is a band that is worn by Hindu terrorists of the RSS.



10 Lashker E Toiba and ISI have been blamed before in Samjhauta Express and Malegaon attacks as well & it was later proven that Purohit was actually involved for both. Over 50 Pakistanis died in the same attack and this was also blamed on the Lashker E Toiba at first. So how credible is Indias version of events and what is being hidden this time?



11 The list of 20 people India gave to Pakistan include names of dead people, people not in Pakistan and people who have been in jail for years. Is this list a joke?



12 There is no family by the name of Qasab back in Faridkot Pakistan. Many Indian story tellers tried their level best to somehow change that and made fools out of themselves trying to find a Pakistani link. Some even went as far to say they found the family and Qasabs parents had accepted he was their son after seeing his picture. However no record of Qasab exists in Pakistani Records.

13 Many Indian intellectuals and think-tanks have raised the issue of the falsity of Indian governments claims and their disapproval of finger pointing saying hindu fanatics in India have committed the attack. One of these was AR Antulay Minority Affairs Minister whose comments are the biggest blow to expose the real version of events and said Karkare has been killed by Hindu fanatics and it should be probed.

14 Several Shiv Seniks had been talking about such an attack to "awaken hindus" across India and make them aware of the Islamic plot against them. RSS chief said such an attack was needed to make Hindus fight against the demon (Islam according to them)



15 A strange group of Islamic terrorists would go to a bar and have several drinks and start their rampage from there. Intellectuals have been wondering what kind of Islamic terrorists come in T-shirts and jeans completely clean shaven and would start their rampage from a bar.



16 The terrorist that killed Hemant Karkare spoke Marathi according to Maharashtra Times itself. Marathi is only spoken within India. Is he really a Pakistani or a victim of the blame game.



17 Several Police Officers have broken the silence and said that it was standard procedure to blame Pakistan for terrorist attacks. A Muslim Police Officer even stated that he was not sure that Ajmal Amir Qasab was a Pakistani.



18 It is claimed by the media that the attackers came from Karachi by sea. What was the coastguard doing all this time? And over 200 miles were crossed without the Indian coastguard noticing at all.



19 No one except Mr Modi the Chief Minister of Gujarat, the same person who is said to be responsible for the massacre of over 3000 muslim civilians in cold blood even thought about compensating the victims. What is this proving? That Hindus should follow terrorists like Modi instead of more secular Hindu parliamentarians because he is the only one who cares about terrorism?



20 The events were changed several times and several conflicting statements were made by different sources. First Mauritius ID cards were found with the terrorists, then they were not. The contradictory statements by different government officials and investigators cast a shadowy image to this situation.



21 Conveniently the same terrorist caught on tape was the one who was captured. Not only that but conveniently this same terrorist seems to be walking casually at the train station with an Ak47 in his hands and does not notice someone with a mobile camera taking pictures of him in what seems to be an empty place.



22 There was also a last letter Karkare had left if something were to happen to him to his friend in the ATS. The friend did not reveal the content but said that it would surprise the World and there were many more people that could be involved in the Samjhauta Express case.



23 The terrorists definitely knew the city inside out. They were well aware of the locations to strike and were so well acquainted with the city that they knew every corner. Even many Indians themselves did not know about the Jewish community center. Several sources have claimed that they had been living in Mumbai for at least a year to know the city so well. Were they Indian or Pakistani?



24 Why would the terrorists call their alleged leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed through VOIP in the middle of the fight when Indian commandos were pounding at the hotel? Did the terrorists really want themselves to be traced back to where they actually came from and came with all preparation passports and documents to prove they were Pakistani?



25 Several Indian media circles even went as far as to claim that the attack was the handiwork of ISI. Now what kind of intelligence agency would launch an attack that could actually be traced right back to itself? It seems that “Pakistan’s Powerful Spy Agency” is more often than not a victim of the failures of others.

Very good points. I'd like to see someone respond to them point by point, will make for interesting discussion.

@Abingdonboy there is no way you can compare all this to baseless conspiracy theories. If you think that, please write a point-by-point refutation. Otherwise you're just wasting time.

Keeping into consideration all the uncertainty, politics, differences and confusions in this matter, all these points and questions are perfectly legitimate and do not deserve to be dismissed the way they are being by certain people. You always talk about Pakistanis not questioning the ''establishment'' narrative, yet don't question your own establishment's narrative yourself, dismissing questions and disagreements with words like 'despicable'.

Look, if someone can reasonably refute every one of @haviZsultan 's points, I'll shut up. But I doubt that's possible. Some of the more conspiratorial ones (like #9) are admittedly weak, but not the others.

 

[oFFbEAT]

Indian Muslims are 'Kafirs'......

 

[airuah]

There are some things surprising and erratic about the Mumbai attacks. Something I have listed here in my article:

1 Pakistan and Bangladesh based militants with the support of ISI have been blamed for almost every attack in India. Can it really be true that no attack takes place without Pakistan being blamed even though India makes 1/5th of the World Population and is known for religious violence?



2 The terrorists were talking in Hindi their speaking style their interviews with the media proved they were from Hyderabad as was stated by them. Many Hyderabadis themselves confirmed that they really were from the region of Hyderabad seeing their speaking style and interview.



3 Hemant Karkare had implicated Colonel Prasad Purohit and a number of Indian Hindu terrorists for the attacks and stated that some BJP leaders could be responsible for the attacks. He was killed within the first 10 minutes of the attack. Several BJP leaders have said that "he got what he deserved" and some fanatic hindu websites stated he was a "slave of muslims"



4 It is speculated that Hemant Karkares widow did not take Modi’s compensation for this very reason and she knew he was trying to capitalize on the anger left after the attacks as a basis to demonize Muslims and blame Pakistan. Several people suggested she might have thought or known he was responsible for the attacks as well. Why did Karkares wife deny the compensation if she did not know that there was definitely something fishy surrounding the murder of here husband?



5 Hemant Karkare received death threats from Hindu fanatics a day before he was killed and he had exposed a group named Abhinav Bharat and had said it was involved in previous attacks against Muslims. Could this have been the cause of his death and the members of this shadowy outfit the perpetuators?



6 Indian forces inability to stop only 10 terrorists who caused so much damage casts major doubts about the Indian government description of the events. Several people are wondering how just 10 terrorists could cause such a massive scale of carnage killing over 170 civilians without being stopped.



7 The timing of the attacks could not be any better. Elections were just a few days ahead and this attack was set to give BJP a Right Wing Hindu Nationalist Party a major boost in the elections.



8 Jamaat Ud Dawa is a charity and all of Pakistan rallies in its support and surprisingly even the Hindus and Christians in Pakistan rallied for it claiming it was in no way a terrorist organization as it provided them with education and healthcare. JuD have over 180 schools, 40000 students and thousands who live on their aid and medical supplies daily. Is this really a terrorist organization or a victim of the same blame its neighbours that India has been doing for years. Shweta Mayur has specifically raised this point.



9 Why was Mr Qasab wearing a band that only Hindus can wear? This is the greatest blow and reveals the truth about the attacks and the attackers. The band he was wearing is a band that is worn by Hindu terrorists of the RSS.



10 Lashker E Toiba and ISI have been blamed before in Samjhauta Express and Malegaon attacks as well & it was later proven that Purohit was actually involved for both. Over 50 Pakistanis died in the same attack and this was also blamed on the Lashker E Toiba at first. So how credible is Indias version of events and what is being hidden this time?



11 The list of 20 people India gave to Pakistan include names of dead people, people not in Pakistan and people who have been in jail for years. Is this list a joke?



12 There is no family by the name of Qasab back in Faridkot Pakistan. Many Indian story tellers tried their level best to somehow change that and made fools out of themselves trying to find a Pakistani link. Some even went as far to say they found the family and Qasabs parents had accepted he was their son after seeing his picture. However no record of Qasab exists in Pakistani Records.

13 Many Indian intellectuals and think-tanks have raised the issue of the falsity of Indian governments claims and their disapproval of finger pointing saying hindu fanatics in India have committed the attack. One of these was AR Antulay Minority Affairs Minister whose comments are the biggest blow to expose the real version of events and said Karkare has been killed by Hindu fanatics and it should be probed.

14 Several Shiv Seniks had been talking about such an attack to "awaken hindus" across India and make them aware of the Islamic plot against them. RSS chief said such an attack was needed to make Hindus fight against the demon (Islam according to them)



15 A strange group of Islamic terrorists would go to a bar and have several drinks and start their rampage from there. Intellectuals have been wondering what kind of Islamic terrorists come in T-shirts and jeans completely clean shaven and would start their rampage from a bar.



16 The terrorist that killed Hemant Karkare spoke Marathi according to Maharashtra Times itself. Marathi is only spoken within India. Is he really a Pakistani or a victim of the blame game.



17 Several Police Officers have broken the silence and said that it was standard procedure to blame Pakistan for terrorist attacks. A Muslim Police Officer even stated that he was not sure that Ajmal Amir Qasab was a Pakistani.



18 It is claimed by the media that the attackers came from Karachi by sea. What was the coastguard doing all this time? And over 200 miles were crossed without the Indian coastguard noticing at all.



19 No one except Mr Modi the Chief Minister of Gujarat, the same person who is said to be responsible for the massacre of over 3000 muslim civilians in cold blood even thought about compensating the victims. What is this proving? That Hindus should follow terrorists like Modi instead of more secular Hindu parliamentarians because he is the only one who cares about terrorism?



20 The events were changed several times and several conflicting statements were made by different sources. First Mauritius ID cards were found with the terrorists, then they were not. The contradictory statements by different government officials and investigators cast a shadowy image to this situation.



21 Conveniently the same terrorist caught on tape was the one who was captured. Not only that but conveniently this same terrorist seems to be walking casually at the train station with an Ak47 in his hands and does not notice someone with a mobile camera taking pictures of him in what seems to be an empty place.



22 There was also a last letter Karkare had left if something were to happen to him to his friend in the ATS. The friend did not reveal the content but said that it would surprise the World and there were many more people that could be involved in the Samjhauta Express case.



23 The terrorists definitely knew the city inside out. They were well aware of the locations to strike and were so well acquainted with the city that they knew every corner. Even many Indians themselves did not know about the Jewish community center. Several sources have claimed that they had been living in Mumbai for at least a year to know the city so well. Were they Indian or Pakistani?



24 Why would the terrorists call their alleged leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed through VOIP in the middle of the fight when Indian commandos were pounding at the hotel? Did the terrorists really want themselves to be traced back to where they actually came from and came with all preparation passports and documents to prove they were Pakistani?



25 Several Indian media circles even went as far as to claim that the attack was the handiwork of ISI. Now what kind of intelligence agency would launch an attack that could actually be traced right back to itself? It seems that “Pakistan’s Powerful Spy Agency” is more often than not a victim of the failures of others.

One - how does modi come in the picture when it was the first term of the congress that was in power.

Why did Pakistan accept that kasab was from Pakistan?- to support rsd plot? -Genious

Why was kasabs village faridkot totally off limits for journalists immediately after one of the journalist apparently found kasabs father in the village before kasabs family was bundeled away by the isi? Mind you the journalist who went to the village was Pakistani.

The terrorist s booked into the taj hotel before going on a killing spree...so if i was a guy sending some terrorist to another country where they have to mingle with local populace would i not train them in the local language to a point that they are convincing? Would i not make them wear the local attire( including a red thread that makes them look like a local?)

If the rss was targetting karkarey, they should be really good with predicting that karkarey would come to the spot himself at the correct time to engage the terrorist directly. ( rss has a Nostradamus - mind you if they do have one like you suggest - it is all over for Pak)

Mobile camera? Kasab was caught on cctv. The vedio clip was released because he was the one caught
And he did not walk to any railway station but went in a jeep that was intercepted by the policr where our men died in the process of capturing him( the brave soul- omble who held on to kasabs gun even when it was directed at him and was pumping bullets into him.)

So then why did Pakistan arrest lakhvi?

Why did china not defend hafeez sayeed in the UN like it did earlier?

Samjahuta express- if India wanted to blame Pakistan which we did - why would we go back on this and arrest our own people?

So if you still want to live in delusion go ahead...

 

[I.R.A]

There are some things surprising and erratic about the Mumbai attacks. Something I have listed here in my article:

1 Pakistan and Bangladesh based militants with the support of ISI have been blamed for almost every attack in India. Can it really be true that no attack takes place without Pakistan being blamed even though India makes 1/5th of the World Population and is known for religious violence?



2 The terrorists were talking in Hindi their speaking style their interviews with the media proved they were from Hyderabad as was stated by them. Many Hyderabadis themselves confirmed that they really were from the region of Hyderabad seeing their speaking style and interview.



3 Hemant Karkare had implicated Colonel Prasad Purohit and a number of Indian Hindu terrorists for the attacks and stated that some BJP leaders could be responsible for the attacks. He was killed within the first 10 minutes of the attack. Several BJP leaders have said that "he got what he deserved" and some fanatic hindu websites stated he was a "slave of muslims"



4 It is speculated that Hemant Karkares widow did not take Modi’s compensation for this very reason and she knew he was trying to capitalize on the anger left after the attacks as a basis to demonize Muslims and blame Pakistan. Several people suggested she might have thought or known he was responsible for the attacks as well. Why did Karkares wife deny the compensation if she did not know that there was definitely something fishy surrounding the murder of here husband?



5 Hemant Karkare received death threats from Hindu fanatics a day before he was killed and he had exposed a group named Abhinav Bharat and had said it was involved in previous attacks against Muslims. Could this have been the cause of his death and the members of this shadowy outfit the perpetuators?



6 Indian forces inability to stop only 10 terrorists who caused so much damage casts major doubts about the Indian government description of the events. Several people are wondering how just 10 terrorists could cause such a massive scale of carnage killing over 170 civilians without being stopped.



7 The timing of the attacks could not be any better. Elections were just a few days ahead and this attack was set to give BJP a Right Wing Hindu Nationalist Party a major boost in the elections.



8 Jamaat Ud Dawa is a charity and all of Pakistan rallies in its support and surprisingly even the Hindus and Christians in Pakistan rallied for it claiming it was in no way a terrorist organization as it provided them with education and healthcare. JuD have over 180 schools, 40000 students and thousands who live on their aid and medical supplies daily. Is this really a terrorist organization or a victim of the same blame its neighbours that India has been doing for years. Shweta Mayur has specifically raised this point.



9 Why was Mr Qasab wearing a band that only Hindus can wear? This is the greatest blow and reveals the truth about the attacks and the attackers. The band he was wearing is a band that is worn by Hindu terrorists of the RSS.



10 Lashker E Toiba and ISI have been blamed before in Samjhauta Express and Malegaon attacks as well & it was later proven that Purohit was actually involved for both. Over 50 Pakistanis died in the same attack and this was also blamed on the Lashker E Toiba at first. So how credible is Indias version of events and what is being hidden this time?



11 The list of 20 people India gave to Pakistan include names of dead people, people not in Pakistan and people who have been in jail for years. Is this list a joke?



12 There is no family by the name of Qasab back in Faridkot Pakistan. Many Indian story tellers tried their level best to somehow change that and made fools out of themselves trying to find a Pakistani link. Some even went as far to say they found the family and Qasabs parents had accepted he was their son after seeing his picture. However no record of Qasab exists in Pakistani Records.

13 Many Indian intellectuals and think-tanks have raised the issue of the falsity of Indian governments claims and their disapproval of finger pointing saying hindu fanatics in India have committed the attack. One of these was AR Antulay Minority Affairs Minister whose comments are the biggest blow to expose the real version of events and said Karkare has been killed by Hindu fanatics and it should be probed.

14 Several Shiv Seniks had been talking about such an attack to "awaken hindus" across India and make them aware of the Islamic plot against them. RSS chief said such an attack was needed to make Hindus fight against the demon (Islam according to them)



15 A strange group of Islamic terrorists would go to a bar and have several drinks and start their rampage from there. Intellectuals have been wondering what kind of Islamic terrorists come in T-shirts and jeans completely clean shaven and would start their rampage from a bar.



16 The terrorist that killed Hemant Karkare spoke Marathi according to Maharashtra Times itself. Marathi is only spoken within India. Is he really a Pakistani or a victim of the blame game.



17 Several Police Officers have broken the silence and said that it was standard procedure to blame Pakistan for terrorist attacks. A Muslim Police Officer even stated that he was not sure that Ajmal Amir Qasab was a Pakistani.



18 It is claimed by the media that the attackers came from Karachi by sea. What was the coastguard doing all this time? And over 200 miles were crossed without the Indian coastguard noticing at all.



19 No one except Mr Modi the Chief Minister of Gujarat, the same person who is said to be responsible for the massacre of over 3000 muslim civilians in cold blood even thought about compensating the victims. What is this proving? That Hindus should follow terrorists like Modi instead of more secular Hindu parliamentarians because he is the only one who cares about terrorism?



20 The events were changed several times and several conflicting statements were made by different sources. First Mauritius ID cards were found with the terrorists, then they were not. The contradictory statements by different government officials and investigators cast a shadowy image to this situation.



21 Conveniently the same terrorist caught on tape was the one who was captured. Not only that but conveniently this same terrorist seems to be walking casually at the train station with an Ak47 in his hands and does not notice someone with a mobile camera taking pictures of him in what seems to be an empty place.



22 There was also a last letter Karkare had left if something were to happen to him to his friend in the ATS. The friend did not reveal the content but said that it would surprise the World and there were many more people that could be involved in the Samjhauta Express case.



23 The terrorists definitely knew the city inside out. They were well aware of the locations to strike and were so well acquainted with the city that they knew every corner. Even many Indians themselves did not know about the Jewish community center. Several sources have claimed that they had been living in Mumbai for at least a year to know the city so well. Were they Indian or Pakistani?



24 Why would the terrorists call their alleged leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed through VOIP in the middle of the fight when Indian commandos were pounding at the hotel? Did the terrorists really want themselves to be traced back to where they actually came from and came with all preparation passports and documents to prove they were Pakistani?



25 Several Indian media circles even went as far as to claim that the attack was the handiwork of ISI. Now what kind of intelligence agency would launch an attack that could actually be traced right back to itself? It seems that “Pakistan’s Powerful Spy Agency” is more often than not a victim of the failures of others.

Very much valid points you have highlighted but these are falling

 

[magudi]

Response to the OP: was there ever any doubt?

This is not something that should be said with a smile, or said at all for that matter. Some may see it as an actual statement and you wouldn't want the Taliban to be knocking on your door to recruit you, now would you? They're getting desperate for support nowadays


Very good points. I'd like to see someone respond to them point by point, will make for interesting discussion.

@Abingdonboy there is no way you can compare all this to baseless conspiracy theories. If you think that, please write a point-by-point refutation. Otherwise you're just wasting time.

Keeping into consideration all the uncertainty, politics, differences and confusions in this matter, all these points and questions are perfectly legitimate and do not deserve to be dismissed the way they are being by certain people. You always talk about Pakistanis not questioning the ''establishment'' narrative, yet don't question your own establishment's narrative yourself, dismissing questions and disagreements with words like 'despicable'.

Look, if someone can reasonably refute every one of @haviZsultan 's points, I'll shut up. But I doubt that's possible. Some of the more conspiratorial ones (like #9) are admittedly weak, but not the others.

Sir,

There's nothing to refute, even a prominent leader of the erstwhile ruling Alliance - UPA had time and again exposed the role of RSS and it's subsidiary fringe elements in 26/11.

RSS & 26/11: Digvijaya flags it off again, this time in Mumbai - Indian Express

The book '26/11 RSS ki saazish' is a must read. Due to strong reactions from hindutvavadis and to appease the hardliner Hindu population en masse the hands of rss in the dastardly events that took place on 26/11 was never proved. If half the energy wasted on blaming Pakistan and so called mastermind of all attacks on Indian soil - 'hafeex sayeed' was spent on raiding the offices of rss and baning the organization, India would've been a much better and safer place to live in.

 

[halupridol]

Stupid title,,perpetrators were all muslims n they were killing in the name of religion.

These Pakistanis terrorist had no regards for Indian Muslims..more than that they had no way of knowing, who is a Muslim and who is not.

However they did let a Turkish Muslim couple go in Oberoi Hotel because they identified themselves as Turkish and started reading Kalma before they were about to be executed, while executing Singaporean and American tourists.

well,,,,all those killed were kafirs according to them.
not the right religion,,not the right sect,,munafiq etc etc....they mustve got a perfect explanation.

 

[my2cents]

Media trial of Ajmal Kassab was badly executed by Indian intelligence agencies. It all looked like a show-trial to defame nation of Pakistan

Why did you not give him consular access and support when he requested for one?? At least you could have provided a defence lawyer to represent his case. You failed in both cases and you want to blame us it was a show trial.

 

[TankMan]

well,,,,all those killed were kafirs according to them.

Indian Muslims are 'Kafirs'......

For God's sake, not this 'Kafir' BS again.

From an Islamic perspective, we can't even call most Non-Muslims Kafir, never mind other Muslims. Only God can decide who is Kafir, so unless anyone here considers himself to be God, stop wasting time with this Kafir nonsense. I have been repeating this for a while now, on many threads (like here and here) This (my) argument is solid from a theological viewpoint, so no questioning the Islamic-ness of this : Kafir does not mean non-Muslim. Kafir can not be used to refer to non-practicing or misguided Muslims. Kafir is not the answer to disagreements. (This is addressed to both misguided Muslims and misguided non-Muslims)

Sir,

There's nothing to refute, even a prominent leader of the erstwhile ruling Alliance - UPA had time and again exposed the role of RSS and it's subsidiary fringe elements in 26/11.

RSS & 26/11: Digvijaya flags it off again, this time in Mumbai - Indian Express

The book '26/11 RSS ki saazish' is a must read. Due to strong reactions from hindutvavadis and to appease the hardliner Hindu population en masse the hands of rss in the dastardly events that took place on 26/11 was never proved. If half the energy wasted on blaming Pakistan and so called mastermind of all attacks on Indian soil - 'hafeex sayeed' was spent on raiding the offices of rss and baning the organization, India would've been a much better and safer place to live in.

So you agree with (at least some of) the points? Good to see a voice from the inside and some 'national introspection' but I'm still waiting for the inevitable counter arguments.

One - how does modi come in the picture when it was the first term of the congress that was in power.

Why did Pakistan accept that kasab was from Pakistan?- to support rsd plot? -Genious

Why was kasabs village faridkot totally off limits for journalists immediately after one of the journalist apparently found kasabs father in the village before kasabs family was bundeled away by the isi? Mind you the journalist who went to the village was Pakistani.

The terrorist s booked into the taj hotel before going on a killing spree...so if i was a guy sending some terrorist to another country where they have to mingle with local populace would i not train them in the local language to a point that they are convincing? Would i not make them wear the local attire( including a red thread that makes them look like a local?)

If the rss was targetting karkarey, they should be really good with predicting that karkarey would come to the spot himself at the correct time to engage the terrorist directly. ( rss has a Nostradamus - mind you if they do have one like you suggest - it is all over for Pak)

Mobile camera? Kasab was caught on cctv. The vedio clip was released because he was the one caught
And he did not walk to any railway station but went in a jeep that was intercepted by the policr where our men died in the process of capturing him( the brave soul- omble who held on to kasabs gun even when it was directed at him and was pumping bullets into him.)

So then why did Pakistan arrest lakhvi?

Why did china not defend hafeez sayeed in the UN like it did earlier?

Samjahuta express- if India wanted to blame Pakistan which we did - why would we go back on this and arrest our own people?

So if you still want to live in delusion go ahead...

How about you answer the points instead of bringing up your own? Respond to the argument, don't dodge it. None of this addresses the points. We have our faults, we admit it and work to solve it. It's about time you do the same.

Why was kasabs village faridkot totally off limits for journalists immediately after one of the journalist apparently found kasabs father in the village before kasabs family was bundeled away by the isi? Mind you the journalist who went to the village was Pakistani.

It wasn't 'off limits' if people from the FBI could go in there and have a look themselves. Your own media reported it.
FBI sleuths visit Kasab’s village - Economic Times

The Pakistani journalists had enough access to come to many conclusions, including this one:
Pakistani journalist reveals how 26/11 butcher Qasab was sold to terror group LeT by his parents for Rs 1.5 lakh | Daily Mail Online

How could they do that if the village was so 'off limits'?

Obviously, it was under scrutiny and all because of how important the area had become. Nothing wrong in that, except the occasional mistreatment of journalists which everyone unequivocally condemned.

The terrorist s booked into the taj hotel before going on a killing spree...so if i was a guy sending some terrorist to another country where they have to mingle with local populace would i not train them in the local language to a point that they are convincing? Would i not make them wear the local attire( including a red thread that makes them look like a local?)

What are you even trying to say here - that they 'mingled' with the local populace enough or not?

If the rss was targetting karkarey, they should be really good with predicting that karkarey would come to the spot himself at the correct time to engage the terrorist directly. ( rss has a Nostradamus - mind you if they do have one like you suggest - it is all over for Pak)

Or they could simply know it through surveillance, informants or simple 'word on the street' and plan their attack accordingly. All the webs you spun here are irrelevant.

Mobile camera? Kasab was caught on cctv. The vedio clip was released because he was the one caught
And he did not walk to any railway station but went in a jeep that was intercepted by the policr where our men died in the process of capturing him( the brave soul- omble who held on to kasabs gun even when it was directed at him and was pumping bullets into him.)

Read the point again:

21 Conveniently the same terrorist caught on tape was the one who was captured. Not only that but conveniently this same terrorist seems to be walking casually at the train station with an Ak47 in his hands and does not notice someone with a mobile camera taking pictures of him in what seems to be an empty place.

It doesn't matter whether he was caught on CCTV or mobile camera. The point he made here is that it was very convenient. Nothing else. He was walking at or around the train station. Doesn't matter where he went or what jeep he took after that, the point still stands.

So then why did Pakistan arrest lakhvi?

Because he was known to be involved in illegal activities and was accused by India itself - investigating the accusations doesn't mean admitting fault.

Why did china not defend hafeez sayeed in the UN like it did earlier?

When did China ever defend Hafeez Saeed 'earlier'? Anyways, It's their perfectly rational and understandable choice if they want to stay out of it.

Samjahuta express- if India wanted to blame Pakistan which we did - why would we go back on this and arrest our own people?

What? Your choice, that's why. Your politics. Perhaps to mask involvement or to silence people. India did it (arresting own people) - India is supposed to explain it, not us.

If you're going to make such weak arguments you're better off staying quiet instead.

 

[axisofevil]

India has no clue how to manipulate the facts in its favor using media resources. This info should have been packaged and created in such a way to give everyone such facts using the media BACK THEN. This information coming out now yrs later does not take advantage of such valuable info.

Utterly clueless...

 

[Black Widow]

Casualties of the 2008 Mumbai attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Names of the Muslims killed in the attack
Sohel Abdul Sheikh(5) Siddhiq Firoz Sheikh(39) Heena Sheikh (16), Shabira Majid Sheikh (40), Hasina Sheikh (20), Manora Begam (60), M ukhtar Sheikh (45), Abdul Razak (22), Frook Nasiruddin Khaliluddin (53), Asif Mohammed (26), Firoz Khan (44), Ramzan Sharif Kadar (23), Abdul Salam Qureshi(50), Fakir Mohammed (38), Unknown (40), Abdul Rashid (45), Mohammed Siddique (29), Nafisa Sadaf Qureshi (46), Unknown (60), Imran Bagwan Babu (33), Sabbir Abdul Dalal (52), Miraj Alam (24), Mumtaz Khan (28), Rehmant Ali Sheikh (17), Mohammed Ayub Abdul Ansari(25), Habibul Rahman Khan (30), Afroz Abbas Ansari (30), Mohammed Parvez Ansari (27), Ibrahim Abdul Rehman (45), Asif Babubhai Menan, Manvara Ali Sheikh (60), Hawa Begam Abdul Sheikh (25), Sahabaj Zakir Khan (29), Raziyabegum Ayub Qureshi (35)

It would be clear that Terrorism has no religion and Innocent lives have nothing to do with their barbaric acts. Need Views of members How Muslim Nations or world and Muslim community help to protect world against the terrorist. (the author of thread has nothing to do with religion or any allegation on any one, plz ignore trolls and give your valuable ideas in increasing the defence of people of the countries and world) .

Collateral Damage...

Terrorists have pardon ISI/Kasab and Co for Killing Muslim. They are happy since ISI/Kasab and Co has killed many Non-Muslim...

Don't u ever seen Paksiatni members making fun of Mumbai Victims???