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Terror activities of Indian consulates in Afghanistan

No doubt it was a massive headache to the Chinese. To whom wasn't it, to include the Indians? Certainly the Iranians weren't happy either.

That said, I remain convinced that all hell would have been raised about us quashing national aspirations while (variously) developing a launching pad to attack the Soviet Union, the PRC, or Iran.

We'd achieved our objectives, or so we thought, and likely thought that the local experts had the best handle on these weird bearded dudes and their funky ideas.

It can't be unfcuked or we'd done so and we'd still likely gotten our azzes handed to us by some such or another. We had no physical presence and there's no cause to think that our aid would have been usefully employed.

Sadly, though unrecognized by our government, we were still Afghanistan's largest aid donor through the civil war, Rabbani's government, and the taliban.
 
US is not United Nations or an internationally recognized aid org. that is somehow morally obligated to help Afghanistan. Pakistan, Iran and India may have a pragmatic obligation since their mess affects the neighbours but what has US to do with Afghanistan today other than hunt for Al Qaeda? And my guess is that it is exactly what they'll do - Kill Osama and the next day pack up and leave. If Pakistan can sign the 10 year assistance deal now, that much the better for Pakistan.


I disagree, since the game of taliban is becoming bigger in Pakistan. There is a possiblility of talibs taking over the society of pakistan, which is nuclear arsanal states. US will be forced to put a permenant base in Afganistan for sole reason.
 
Afghans are watching because of the fact that there is an inherent mistrust of Pakistan due to the fact that there is still a significant punjsheri influence on the Afghan government. Intelligence and defence are both in the hands of that camp and there is some history there.

Bombing of Indian embassy has to be looked at from the context of the overall regional rivalry if you want to read between the lines. Lets not forget the assassination attack against the Pakistani mission chief in SL. That did not happen without the blessings of the RAW.

This sort of lines up with my assertion above (the part in bold):


American leverage in South Asia
By Barbara Plett
BBC News, Islamabad

In recent days three top American generals have turned their guns on Pakistan, accusing elements of its main intelligence agency, the ISI, of supporting Taliban and al-Qaeda militants.

The unprecedented broadside followed the announcement by the US President Barack Obama of a new strategy for Afghanistan.

Mr Obama cited as its cornerstone the need to destroy militant safe havens in the Pakistani tribal belt along the Afghan border, something he knows can't be achieved without complete cooperation from the country's army and intelligence.

To win, or compel, such support, the president and his generals have offered a mixture of incentives and warnings: for example, an increase in civilian aid alongside a warning that there's no "blank cheque" for the military if it doesn't perform.

The charges against the ISI seem to be part of the latter. They are not new, but have never before been made so publicly.

The chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, said elements of the ISI maintain links with militants on Pakistan's borders with both Afghanistan and India.

General David Petraeus, head of the US Central Command, spoke of cases "in the fairly recent past" where the ISI appeared to have warned militants that their positions had been discovered.

Collusion charge

According to the New York Times, Pakistani support to Taliban commanders extends to "money, military supplies and strategic planning guidance".

Last year Washington's suspicions were such that it scaled down intelligence sharing with the ISI, especially after accusing it of involvement in the July bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul.

The charge of collusion is rigorously denied by Pakistani officials.

They insist top levels of the army and intelligence agencies were purged of ideological officers after 2001, when the government dropped its open support for the Taliban and fell in with what the US called its War on Terror.

They point out that Pakistan has lost more soldiers in fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda on the Afghan border than all of the NATO forces combined; and that American officials acknowledge the ISI has captured more Al Qaeda operatives than any other intelligence agency.

Within the security establishment there is a belief that the ISI is being used as a scapegoat for coalition failures in Afghanistan.

However, few independent Pakistani analysts doubt the intelligence agency maintains links with Islamist militants, especially the Afghan Taliban who have sanctuary in the border region.

"The army will operate against militant groups that it defines as anti-Pakistan," says one informed observer who spoke off-the-record.

"But it will not go after those groups that have a purely Afghan agenda, like the Afghan Taliban. Not at least until the United States listens to what the army regards as Pakistan's legitimate regional concerns."

Strategic depth?

There are mixed views here about what those concerns are.

“ No state can be successfully pressured into acts it considers suicidal ”
Ahmed Rashid and Barnett Rubin Foreign Affairs magazine
Some believe the military has never given up its policy of "strategic depth": the belief that in order to defend itself against its traditional enemy, India, to the east, it needs a pro-Pakistan government (like the Taliban) in Afghanistan, to the west.

Others say it wants a "neutral" Afghanistan.

But Kabul is not neutral as far as the army is concerned.

Its government is full of factions hostile to Islamabad and closely allied with India, Pakistan's great regional rival. And India is expanding its influence in the country.

This is all the more troubling because Pakistan's worried about its borders.

Afghanistan has never recognised the boundary drawn by the British, known as the Durrand Line. And the dispute with India over the Himalayan region of Kashmir continues.


In such circumstances, the Taliban are an asset, not an adversary for the ISI, says the observer.

"The Pakistan army knows that it and the Taliban have Pashtun support on both sides of the Durand line. This gives it leverage, and means it can signal to the United States that it will not be abandoned in any Afghan deal."

Prior to his election, Mr Obama recognised that Pakistani peace with India was key to stability in Afghanistan.

Since his inauguration, however, he has dropped any suggestion of an initiative on Kashmir in the face of Indian objections.

Now, he hopes a mixture of carrot and stick will force a rethink of Pakistan's security calculation.

But for Pakistan's security establishment, its concerns - the presence of India in Afghanistan, Kabul's refusal to recognise the border, the festering Kashmir dispute - are strategic threats far greater than those posed by Islamist militants.

"The concept of pressuring Pakistan is flawed," Ahmed Rashid and Barnett Rubin have written in the Foreign Affairs magazine. "No state can be successfully pressured into acts it considers suicidal."


Ultimately America's leverage is limited: in pushing too much, it may lose even the limited cooperation it has.
 
Basically linking consulates with amount of aid donated or reconstruction activity being carriued out by a country in another country is not a valid point. What has India done todate in Afghanistan does not warrant operating that many consulates and that too near our border.

If aid and reconstruction are the criteria than US shoiuld have a consulate in every street in Iraq and a lot more consulates in a number of countries such as Israel.

The logic is flawed. The only reason for maintaining so many consulates is a strategic one.
 
No its not too difficult to see. What happened to IPKF was over two decades ago. Ground realities have changed. India feels a bit threatened in the way the LTTE have been pushed back and that means less influence for India as they can no longer assert themselves as big peace brokers and they feel that Pakistan has made inroads. LTTE have never targeted Pakistani personnel so why now? Also who gains from such attacks and warnings? It is inference but based on certain ground realities.

Fact check : India has categorically refused to play peace broker after the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi. That was almost two decades ago too.

As to why LTTE attacked, I don't have their pulse but they felt threatened by ur help to lankans? The obvious again??? or they wanted to provoke pakistan into doing something that would provoke india into helping ltte?
 
This sort of lines up with my assertion above (the part in bold):

India may have interests in Afghanistan other than reconstruction. Maybe intelligence, maybe getting cozy with Karzai, whatever. All of this actually supports the democratic Afghan setup and is aligned against Taliban. There is full support from Afghanistan for Indian reconstruction and diplomatic efforts.

But that is still a far cry from saying India supports terrorists or that India is behind Lahore. Neither Pak govt. nor any of the terrorists say that (obviously neither does India, Iran, USA, UK, Russia or anybody else). What makes this theory anything other than speculation by a bunch of guys on the internet ?

There are people between Kabul and Lahore who neither obey Afghan govt., Pak govt., India or US.
 
"There are people between Kabul and Lahore who neither obey Afghan govt., Pak govt., India or US."

Narrow that from Jalalabad to Peshawar and the pct. goes through the roof.:agree:
 
well it seems that when the whole world convinced pakistan that their real threat lies not on their eastern but the western border...they misunderstood.
their new interpretation seems to lead them to hallucinate the eastern 'indian' presence....there would be an indian hand north south east west...guess india still tops the list.
 
Guys,bottom line is that pakistan hate any indian presense in Afghanistan since its consider Afghanistan as its own fiefdom providing strategic depth aganist an larger india .period. 
 
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Indian hands in afghan - terrorism ? sounds like a joke, why would india help in taliban when we know taliban is biggest enemy of our's.
Infact taliban is the filter waste of pakistan- the waste which india wants out of pakistan for a good indian future.

Infact NATO and indian ,and russian and iranian , keep pointin finger at pakistan for their DIRECT help to taliban. now this little tiny finger at indian counslate in afghan.
wont matter much to indians, since there are no proof of this halusination.

Whole world - keep pointing at pakistan's problem -Blame and denial . Pakistan for its own well being need to stop this denial mode, and keep blaming India for all problems.

But i doubt it will stop , because this blame game is keeping - Pakistani official alive by blindfolding their peace loving people.
 
Don't make me laugh! india is constructing Afghanistan?? what a silly joke....you people only train terrorist which do their terrorist acts in Pakistan, your consulates spends millions in training all them, how could you bild up Afghanistan when you even can't build your own country?? go and solve your problems firts rather to spend your time in Afghainsta!!

Can you tell me here why had Pakistani Govt. given 200 M$ in aid to Afghanistan and pledged to give more in the future? Is pakistan any better off, developmentaly i.e., then India? That'll probably answer you on why India's giving aid to Afghanistan.
 
Taliban was a monster funded by CIA and trained by ISI to get rid of the Soviets , which they did very successfully and the Motive of the US was complete so they went home , ended the cold war and forgot about Taliban , Pakistan on the other hand recognized them but did not seem to be actively involved with them in any way , shape or Form.

Eventually the Al-Qaeda comes up as a anti-Us force and Carries out 9/11 and pisses off US who carpet bomb them , Pakistan being the faithful ally of the US backs it and helps overthrow the Taliban , captures hundreds and Kills thousands on Afghan Border using it's "very capable" military.

This pisses off the Taliban and a faction them turn against Pakistan Big-Time and carry out terror attacks.

Since Taliban is an old pet , Pakistani's can't really blame everything on them so why not blame the evil Indians who have 18 or so very public consulates in Afghan territory , against whom there is no sufficient evidence to parade to the global community.

Taliban is also not a friend of India , in fact they have publicly warned us against striking Pak so why would it take help from Indians.

The US wants rid of Taliban and if Indian Consulates were arming them then US would have warned us long time back.

Perhaps Intelligence gathering and strategic depth is a purpose them but how can one conclusively say that those are terror camps , just speculation and BS whom no one wants to prove but everyone wants to blame.
 
Why are we being so naive here??

Yes, India and Pakistan are certainly helping Afghanistan. But can it be the sole purpose? NO.

Afghan is just like a new born nation. Practically speaking, everybody will want a lasting impression on it. Everybody will be interested in human potential, trading, strategic importance, geographical advantage from Afghanistan.

No matter who claims what, these things just have to be in the scene. And they are applicable to every other nation.
 
Torpedo.

Enough with the smileys and useless one liners. This is the second thread your posts have had to be deleted for that reason.

You'll be getting a ban if this continues. If you don't like a post, refute it logically or don't comment.
 
Also, the aid from India is India's choice, not responsibility.

There is no relation between amount of help and number of consulates. What matters is - Afghan govt permits them.

In other words -

India probably has other interests. But, this doesn't matter.
 

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