Tauqeer Raza Khan once again bashes Pakistan to prove their loyalty to Hindutva terror regime

[peagle]

There is no "trick" or "appeasement" here.

Almost every Indian Muslim I've met abroad have been hardcore Indian nationalists, that dislike Pakistan and firmly support the Indian stance on Kashmir. They don't do it to appease anyone or to "prove their loyalty", they do it because they have genuine attachment to their homeland.

Pakistanis that get rebuked by Indian Muslims will further embarrass themselves and cringingly refer to Indian Muslims as "traitors", "slaves" or "fake Muslims".

The fact is, at the end of the day, Indian Muslims are Indians. They will naturally stand for their national interests and they won't take kindly to a nation that is hostile to their own, regardless of whatever religion.

All I see here is an Indian politician catering to jingoism like many politicians typically do. Pakistanis need to stop viewing everything from a "Muslim vs Non-Muslim" perspective.

Although I agree with almost everything you've said, there is one serious shortcoming which I need to highlight because it changes the message.

Indian Muslims certainly love their country, which they should. But, the excess display of nationalism and showmanship has a lot to do with appeasement, even among those who are abroad.

And, it also has to do with the manufactured atmosphere of hyper nationalism that is in play in India since 1947, that nationalism is largely based on hatred towards Pakistan, but also towards Muslims, and the fantasy of historical Indian nationhood, the so called bharat mata.

Just to be clear, my opinions are not based on assumptions, but deep personal experiences.

 

[peagle]

The chiefs and guides of slaves have sunk so low that it seems so much odd:
If mode of lions is presented to them, They will see naught save guile and fraud.

They seek to make the slaves feel at ease with their slavery,
Pretending to ‘expound and reason things out’.

There is no difficulty about being a master
When the people are entrenched deep in slavery.

Harder than death is what thou call’st slavery,
would that slaves understand master’s tricks;

What was so evil has by steps put on the shape of good and fine:
In state of bondage, as is known, the shift of conscience is quite sure.

Trust no slave’s eyes, clear sight and liberty
Go hand in hand. His own resolves bestow
(this is the translation given on website )

Following is my own understanding of this couplet:
Wisdom of Slaves can't be trusted in any case
Only the truly liberated man have wisdom & farsight

BTW If interested then plz visit this site [click here] in my opinion it is one of the best IF not the best online resource on Iqbal (R.A) poetry.

Thanks.

There's also an app on android, Iqbal Demystified.
Seems ok. I've found few errors on my levels of understanding, but I could be wrong, generally it's very good I think.

 

[Cash GK]

How long do you reckon this trick will work to keep Hindus from doing another operation polo or 2002 genocide.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1479799957955780613

Never forget that Mullahs opposed the creation of Pakistan and also tried to assassinate Quaid e Azam.

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This is what it is writen in their destiny.They will prove their loyalty for centuries to come Fucking dickhead

 

[waz]

Afghans hate Pakistan, are they too trying to prove something.

Some do many don't, you don't know any sitting in India. They hate Hindus more i.e. consider you slaves for the upcoming wars. You guys shouldn't be using Afghans as a benchmark.

 

[SIPRA]

Currently, about 60,000 Indian soldiers, including officers, are there in Ladakh Sector. They are doing nothing, except for scratching their balls. This Mullah is offering his services to capture Aksai Chin. Why Modi & Co are not accepting his offer?

 

[Genghis khan1]

Sound like these Indian mullah’s are being covertly told to do these pro Indian anti Pakistan rallies by embedded agents of Ajit Doval.

 

[CriticalThought]

Were was deoband mentioned in the OP? Fazool randi rona krna lgta ha adat hi bna li ha apne.

 

[waz]

This is a shameless attempt at creating anti-Deoband sentiments amongst people by twisting facts and creating a false narrative. The OP has picked one tweet from an unknown person in a larger thread. This is the first tweet in that thread:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1479388428567384064

The speaker is the founder of Ittehad-e-Millat Council Tauqeer Raza Khan who has nothing to do with Deoband.

@WebMaster @The Eagle @waz @Horus @Foxtrot Alpha @Kambojaric @krash I want the OP to be edited so it reflects the true picture of whom has spoked these words.

Everyone here knows this is a thread about a leader of the Braelvi movement in India.

That being said the Deobandi leadership shown here is just as evil and those who follow their views on such matters;

Kashmir humara hai: Top Muslim body supports Centre's Article 370 move

Top Muslim body Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind passed a resolution stating that Kashmir is an "integral part" of the country and said the welfare of the people in the valley lies in their integration with India.

www.indiatoday.in

Extending support to the Centre on the abrogation of Article 370, leading Indian Islamic organisation Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind said that Kashmir is an integral part of India and denounced separatist movements, calling it “harmful”. It further added that the welfare of Kashmiris lies in complete integration with India.

from

Betrayal or Pragmatism? Why Madanis of Deoband Praised RSS & Modi

The leaders of the two factions of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind – Maulana Arshad Madani and Maulana Mahmood Madani – have recently made conciliatory statements regarding the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Narendra Modi government.

www.thequint.com

The leaders of the two factions of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind – Maulana Arshad Madani and Maulana Mahmood Madani – have recently made conciliatory statements regarding the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Narendra Modi government.

Maulana Mahmood Madani has also made a number of statements in favour of the RSS and expressed his support to the Modi government on issues such as Kashmir and the National Register of Citizens:


These pieces of sh*t will be crushed when the time comes.

 

[pakpride00090]

Muslims of India are nothing better then servants, probably wouldn't be wrong to call them slaves.
I'm increasingly losing respect for them and their servitude.

Muslims make up almost 15% of the population.

There are no exact figures because they want to hide the facts,
but there are almost no Muslim officers in RAW, Indian intelligence agency, and less then 1% in the whole organisation.
There are estimated to be around 2% Muslims in the Indian army..

In the parliament, and in all state assemblies they have non existent representation.
around 4% is the average in both houses of parliament.
In the civil services, the Muslims representation ranges from 1-4%, except the foreign service where they have to show token faces.

I have never heard an Indian Muslim cry about this lack of representation, they cry about oppression, but not the systematic discrimination, beyond sound bites.

From the book " wellington experience "

@Areesh
@HRK
@Reichsmarschall
@SQ8
@waz

Tagging you guys so if you see any Hindu/Sikh Indian chanting how Muslims are equal in India .... You can show them these references.
Wellington Experience is a good book regardless. Recommended to give it a read. Its for free online.

 

[peagle]

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From the book " wellington experience "

I have seen various talks by the author on YouTube, and downloaded the book, I think, but have not got around to reading it as yet.

Indian nation is a concoction of manufactured image making, nothing more. Our historians and so-called experts have stupidly bought into this drama and lies.

The only reasons India has a regular census is because there is an agreement between north and south Indian states, otherwise they would have same problem as us, the same goes for their national finance commission.

SO many artificial compromises have been made to create this Indian nation, they have no history, so they also had to create one.
It is just a shame that we have been extremely poor at challenging this, it doesn't matter if the message does not reach the world, but at least among of ourselves, we should be aware.

Good highlight.

 

[TNT]

Both the deoband and bareli have been created by the brits in aftermath of the war of independence. They created these two seminaries to divide and control muslims. After the creation of deoband and bareli, there was never an organized uprising or jihad against brits. These both groups are foreign agents and have distorted the religion to suit the vision of big powers. Our people are dumb blind followers and never study Quran and hadees themselves. Whoever studies Quran and hadees, will come to the conclusion that both these groups are wrong and infact create confusion intentionally and intentionally divide muslims.

 

[pakpride00090]

I have seen various talks by the author on YouTube, and downloaded the book, I think, but have not got around to reading it as yet.

Indian nation is a concoction of manufactured image making, nothing more. Our historians and so-called experts have stupidly bought into this drama and lies.

The only reasons India has a regular census is because there is an agreement between north and south Indian states, otherwise they would have same problem as us, the same goes for their national finance commission.

SO many artificial compromises have been made to create this Indian nation, they have no history, so they also had to create one.
It is just a shame that we have been extremely poor at challenging this, it doesn't matter if the message does not reach the world, but at least among of ourselves, we should be aware.

Good highlight.

I have updated the original post with some more references about RAW and intelligence wing. Please read it again.

 

[Areesh]

There is no "trick" or "appeasement" here.

Almost every Indian Muslim I've met abroad have been hardcore Indian nationalists, that dislike Pakistan and firmly support the Indian stance on Kashmir. They don't do it to appease anyone or to "prove their loyalty", they do it because they have genuine attachment to their homeland.

Pakistanis that get rebuked by Indian Muslims will further embarrass themselves and cringingly refer to Indian Muslims as "traitors", "slaves" or "fake Muslims".

The fact is, at the end of the day, Indian Muslims are Indians. They will naturally stand for their national interests and they won't take kindly to a nation that is hostile to their own, regardless of whatever religion.

All I see here is an Indian politician catering to jingoism like many politicians typically do. Pakistanis need to stop viewing everything from a "Muslim vs Non-Muslim" perspective.

And after doing all that Indian Muslims are just 500 grams of red meat (even white meat) away from getting lynched by a mob

Indian Muslims are going to pay the price for accepting their status as second class citizens. Now this second class status is going to get revoked too

In a genocide nobody cares whether you hated Pakistan or supported India on Kashmir or not. All that matters is what that bloodthirsty mob on your doorstep thinks about you

Why do Pakistanis assume when a Indian Muslim abuses Pakistan it is to prove something , why is it so hard to get they hate paksiatan.
Afghans hate Pakistan, are they too trying to prove something.

Lol you really think anyone cares about hatred of Indian Muslims or afghans for Pakistan???

An Indian Muslim is going to get buttf*cked by rakesh chacha next door while Afghans have screwed their own country beyond repair


We simply don't care what both these degenerate losers think about us or our country

 

[CriticalThought]

Everyone here knows this is a thread about a leader of the Braelvi movement in India.

That being said the Deobandi leadership shown here is just as evil and those who follow their views on such matters;

Kashmir humara hai: Top Muslim body supports Centre's Article 370 move

Top Muslim body Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind passed a resolution stating that Kashmir is an "integral part" of the country and said the welfare of the people in the valley lies in their integration with India.

www.indiatoday.in

Extending support to the Centre on the abrogation of Article 370, leading Indian Islamic organisation Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind said that Kashmir is an integral part of India and denounced separatist movements, calling it “harmful”. It further added that the welfare of Kashmiris lies in complete integration with India.

from

Betrayal or Pragmatism? Why Madanis of Deoband Praised RSS & Modi

The leaders of the two factions of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind – Maulana Arshad Madani and Maulana Mahmood Madani – have recently made conciliatory statements regarding the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Narendra Modi government.

www.thequint.com

The leaders of the two factions of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind – Maulana Arshad Madani and Maulana Mahmood Madani – have recently made conciliatory statements regarding the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Narendra Modi government.

Maulana Mahmood Madani has also made a number of statements in favour of the RSS and expressed his support to the Modi government on issues such as Kashmir and the National Register of Citizens:


These pieces of sh*t will be crushed when the time comes.

Seriously @waz did you actually peruse the links you pasted? In each and every one of them, the actual words spoken by representatives of JUH are to the effect: "Kashmir was, is, and will remain a part of India". When they were asked about revocation of 370, they pointedly refused to give a statement, but instead said (comprehension of his words) "There can be disagreements about a number of things, but what I want to make clear is that we stand for the security and integrity of India". That's it, and that's all. And to that extent, Hindus in Pakistan will also tell you they stand for Pakistan's security and integrity.

The only scum here are those who don't care to research before they level accusations on others.

 

[waz]

Seriously @waz did you actually peruse the links you pasted? In each and every one of them, the actual words spoken by representatives of JUH are to the effect: "Kashmir was, is, and will remain a part of India". When they were asked about revocation of 370, they pointedly refused to give a statement, but instead said (comprehension of his words) "There can be disagreements about a number of things, but what I want to make clear is that we stand for the security and integrity of India". That's it, and that's all. And to that extent, Hindus in Pakistan will also tell you they stand for Pakistan's security and integrity.

The only scum here are those who don't care to research before they level accusations on others.

Yes I went through the videos. It's a polite way of saying yes we agree with it, unless you can tell me what else he means by Kashmir being an integral part of India means. Also do remember he said this in the context of the question asked by the reporter. The worst part of this the Sikhs actually raised their voices more against the removal of article 370, so what happened to these lot? Some would even say that their silence is compliance but I won't go down that route. They said enough in their statements and videos to show their true views.

Both the deoband and bareli have been created by the brits in aftermath of the war of independence. They created these two seminaries to divide and control muslims. After the creation of deoband and bareli, there was never an organized uprising or jihad against brits. These both groups are foreign agents and have distorted the religion to suit the vision of big powers. Our people are dumb blind followers and never study Quran and hadees themselves. Whoever studies Quran and hadees, will come to the conclusion that both these groups are wrong and infact create confusion intentionally and intentionally divide muslims.

Bro there were good people who founded both, and there and still are.
That being said I have no idea why SOME Pakistanis keep looking to them for some divine guidance. You are right the path of Allah is so straightforward, we have everything i.e. the Quran, Sunnah etc.
Regardless, we have plenty of great scholars in Pakistan. No need for these vermin anymore.