India trying to wear a mask of sympathy with Pakistan

[Joe Shearer]

my wife is a TamBrahm and I have an inside look at the local parties have treated this community for over 100 years. I can post many videos in Tamil that would make you cringe. And this is not politicians, this is the general public's attitude. My opinion is that the muslims are better off. the only reason the community is there is because of the central / state structure.

If you look up caste-wise percentages of the population, you will find Jammu has the highest portion of Brahmins in its population.

Most of the rest of north India comes in at between 10 to 5%. The caste tends to dominate wherever it is. In West Bengal, the government has always been dominated, for the last 75 years, by a coalition of Brahmin, and Kayastha and Vaidya. Whether Congress, or CPI(M), or Trinamool, the coalition never varies, never changes. The Brahmin is not threatened, anywhere north of the Vindhyas.

To the south, only in Tamil Nadu has there been suffering and oppression. if we take the other states, Maharasthra, what with the Deshastha in Nagpur and Pune, and generally clustered thickly around Pune, and the Konkanastha running right down the coast, is well covered, and with not a note of hostility to that caste grouping. No wonder Savarkar found a wonderfully nourishing atmosphere there.

Karnataka is notorious for their dominance. Both the Hubbeli and Udupi concentrations are widely known - and renowned. Bangalore - rather, old Mysore - is chockfull with Mysore Iyengars (and Iyers). So, too, with AP; Telangana is less pronounced a base, but is not hostile.

The point is that these southern states, Kerala included, Tamil Nadu included, never had a Brahmin population of over 2% (my examinations are a quarter century old and my memories slightly less, so do take them with caution.

It is because of the combination of the two, a very small population of Brahmins, and their overwhelming domination of society, that there was a backlash. Unfortunately the backlash was inevitably.

Having said that, there is no question that in Tamil Nadu, the Brahmin has paid his dues, in full. The persecution should stop.

My opinion is that the muslims are better off. the only reason the community is there is because of the central / state structure.

In Tamil Nadu, in Kerala, in Telangana, yes; with some qualification, yes, in Andhra too.

The situation in Karnataka had become horrible.

In general, the south and the east are the decent parts of India.

My opinion is that the muslims are better off. the only reason the community is there is because of the central / state structure.

In Tamil Nadu, in Kerala, in Telangana, yes; with some qualification, yes, in Andhra too.

The situation in Karnataka had become horrible.

In general, the south and the east are the decent parts of India.

 

[Kaniska]

Agreed.


Like it or not, it's partially changed. Not sure to what extent. The army has become toothless and India has gotten the message.

Army tries to spread it's narratives via off-the-record meetings with journos so they can present it as their analysis. It has transpired that, in at least one such meeting, Bajwa tried to convince journos that army won't be able to fight India. Even the likes of Hamid Mir are saying it.

Nawaz sharif was never a threat to India. IK, being a bit of an ideologue but also a huge pacifist, is the biggest threat and the biggest opportunity for lasting peace. If anyone can bridge the gap, reduce the animosity and make ground for lasting peace, it's a strong civilian leader, not a uniformed dictator making behind the scenes deals. Nawaz sharif may have been a strong civilian leader, by some measure, in the past but his priorities were different back then as they are now. And he's done for now. So, ironically, the loudmouth IK is your best bet, and ours for peace.

I beleive, you and me are talking the same thing but in a different language. No nation to threaten or challenge sovereignty

Agreed.


Like it or not, it's partially changed. Not sure to what extent. The army has become toothless and India has gotten the message.

Army tries to spread it's narratives via off-the-record meetings with journos so they can present it as their analysis. It has transpired that, in at least one such meeting, Bajwa tried to convince journos that army won't be able to fight India. Even the likes of Hamid Mir are saying it.

Nawaz sharif was never a threat to India. IK, being a bit of an ideologue but also a huge pacifist, is the biggest threat and the biggest opportunity for lasting peace. If anyone can bridge the gap, reduce the animosity and make ground for lasting peace, it's a strong civilian leader, not a uniformed dictator making behind the scenes deals. Nawaz sharif may have been a strong civilian leader, by some measure, in the past but his priorities were different back then as they are now. And he's done for now. So, ironically, the loudmouth IK is your best bet, and ours for peace.

I do not consider IK as a threat to India..He is a good person who wants mutual respect in Indo-Pak relations. His leadership skill was visible in Indo-Pak relations during his short tenure. He is not reactive nor highly emotional or uses the kiddish threat to India which is well understood by our policymakers. In place of IK, if anyone else would have been there in Pak during the Kashmir 370 revocation or Balalkot episode, things could have spiraled out of control. That is why I admire him. Even if he is immature in his politics of Pakistan, he is truly a good leader Pakistan should preserve. And, I am always a firm believer that if Pakistan gets a truly good democratic leader, India and Pakistan may stop fighting with each other diplomatically.

Agreed.


Like it or not, it's partially changed. Not sure to what extent. The army has become toothless and India has gotten the message.

Army tries to spread it's narratives via off-the-record meetings with journos so they can present it as their analysis. It has transpired that, in at least one such meeting, Bajwa tried to convince journos that army won't be able to fight India. Even the likes of Hamid Mir are saying it.

Nawaz sharif was never a threat to India. IK, being a bit of an ideologue but also a huge pacifist, is the biggest threat and the biggest opportunity for lasting peace. If anyone can bridge the gap, reduce the animosity and make ground for lasting peace, it's a strong civilian leader, not a uniformed dictator making behind the scenes deals. Nawaz sharif may have been a strong civilian leader, by some measure, in the past but his priorities were different back then as they are now. And he's done for now. So, ironically, the loudmouth IK is your best bet, and ours for peace.

I do not consider IK as a threat to India..He is a good person who wants mutual respect in Indo-Pak relations. His leadership skill was visible in Indo-Pak relations during his short tenure. He is not reactive nor highly emotional or uses the kiddish threat to India which is well understood by our policymakers. In place of IK, if anyone else would have been there in Pak during the Kashmir 370 revocation or Balalkot episode, things could have spiraled out of control. That is why I admire him. Even if he is immature in his politics of Pakistan, he is truly a good leader Pakistan should preserve. And, I am always a firm believer that if Pakistan gets a truly good democratic leader, India and Pakistan may stop fighting with each other diplomatically.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I also wonder about the story of Bajwa's legs trembling during the events of Feb '19.

I read that, first, with appalled amazement, that anyone should believe this of his chief of army staff; then, with increasing disbelief at the number of people who took it seriously; finally, with incredulity, at how this nonsense became urban legend.

No need for us Indians to waste sympathy on the woes of a senior Pakistani military officer, but surely, even our experience of our relatively laid back and taciturn senior officers should tell us that this sort of thing is just horse-feathers.

Anyway, it is for the Pakistanis to work this out for themselves.

If any Indian says something about an Indian Army officer, I hope and pray that I will be one leg length away from my toe-cap to his peritoneum.

 

[hatehs]

The very fact you are already pronouncing a verdict like rapist or murderer is testament to the fact that you rely on hearsay.

LOL he was convicted by the courts based on that testimony. You are crying because I'm calling a man who proudly talked about rape and murder on tape a rapist and murderer. Once again, I'm astounded at how you will jump to defend rapists becuase they happen to be part of your vile community.

May I know the source of above pls.

Source is Ashish Khetan's book, but he is directly quoting the Gujarat High Court judgement.

Offences filed against former Bajrang Dal leader Babu Bajrangi on the basis of a sting operation are also not reliable, it said.

Journalist Ashish Khetan, who conducted the sting operation, said he kept a relevant portion of the original audio record and micro chip and deleted the remaining, the court noted.

The recording was deleted from the point he was admitted to hospital where he claimed to be at the time, and "extra judicial confession" cannot be considered evidence when it is not supported by other competent evidence, the court said.
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This was a later judgement. All it shows is your courts did consider the testimony reliable in 2018 and then threw it out a few years later (probably to let that vile Hindu rapist out on the streets to satisfy his urges once again).

Ashish Kheta, Rana ayub, Mukul Sinha, that IPS who claimed that Modi gave orders not to act, Thehalka and a few others allege a lot but was not able to provide any iota of evidence to substantiate the allegation. Court does not work on "Trust me Bro" method.

Wrong, jhoota jahil H. The testimony is evidence and it was upheld in court in 2018 until Hindus decided to rule it out a few years later.

 

[wildlens]

LOL he was convicted by the courts based on that testimony. You are crying because I'm calling a man who proudly talked about rape and murder on tape a rapist and murderer. Once again, I'm astounded at how you will jump to defend rapists becuase they happen to be part of your vile community.


Source is Ashish Khetan's book, but he is directly quoting the Gujarat High Court judgement.


This was a later judgement. All it shows is your courts did consider the testimony reliable in 2018 and then threw it out a few years later (probably to let that vile Hindu rapist out on the streets to satisfy his urges once again).


Wrong, jhoota jahil H. The testimony is evidence and it was upheld in court in 2018 until Hindus decided to rule it out a few years later.

Do not call a community or religion vile. Islam right from its inception has done mostly vile things and continues today. It's not for nothing terrorism and Islam are equated the world over.
Now, he was and I had never defended him. I was saying that he was alleging several things including alleging about Modi. It is not necessary that if he did a wrong thing, his allegations about others are true. This is how your community twists facts.

He was arrested on the basis of the sting which he says was scripted and there is a high probability he was boasting. IN 2007 under Congress this sting happened, and like clockwork he was arrested a few hours later. This was done during the Congress regime. Now he is acquitted by the Modi regime. I am sure both had vested interests and the truth is lost forever because there is no credibility now.

 

[Joe Shearer]

All it shows is your courts did consider the testimony reliable in 2018 and then threw it out a few years later (probably to let that vile Hindu rapist out on the streets to satisfy his urges once again).

Please check your facts.

Wrong, jhoota jahil H. The testimony is evidence and it was upheld in court in 2018 until Hindus decided to rule it out a few years later.

1, Language.
2. Facts - the evidence was accepted, the accused was convicted, the convict was sentenced.

It is disappointing to see a fair and logical case dissolve in a string of abuse.

 

[Bengal71]

Out of interest, which country currently or in the last 1000 years had a truly and completely Islamic government. Curious.

Pretty much none. It might even be safe to say the current "modern states" in the Muslim world are closer to a Islamic state than the previous ones, specially that justice and equality is delivered to a far greater extent to the citizens.

 

[hatehs]

Do not call a community or religion vile. Islam right from its inception has done mostly vile things and continues today. It's not for nothing terrorism and Islam are equated the world over.

Don't you Tanatanis proudly claim you are adherents of the oldest religion in the world? Isn't Tanatani Kuchra also world-renown for its filthy caste system responsible for the persecution of millions upon millions of lower caste Tanatanis? So in a contest between Islam and Tanatani Kuchra on which one is more responsible for vile things, the latter will win hands down.

Longer runtime + More people relegated to slavery and serfdom = Tanatani win

And I won't stop saying it because beastly Tanatanis like you think it's Hindooooooophobia.

He was arrested on the basis of the sting which he says was scripted and there is a high probability he was boasting.

Jahil reservationchaap, this sentence doesn't make sense.
Either
1. It's scripted (In which case you'll need to ask yourself why it was ever accepted in court)
2. He was boasting (In which case you'll need to ask yourself what kind of innocent person boasts about committing rape and murder)
IT CAN'T BE BOTH.
People like you should stop waddling in here and copypasting Whatsapp scripts, thinking you're doing a great service to Tanatani rapists by exposing how much of a mindless drone you are.

. IN 2007 under Congress this sting happened, and like clockwork he was arrested a few hours later.

Pajeet logic = if it happens under Congress rule, it means it's untrue. No logic, no argumentation, no nothing, everyone here is just supposed to accept Congress = sickular Khangress conspiracy against Hindoooooooos.

Once again, showing the time tested Tanatani alliance with rapists. When forced to consider the possibility of a vile rapist openly gloating on camera about rape and murder, they would rather choose to believe in a convoluted Khangress conspiracy than accept the rapist is actually telling the truth.

 

[Redbeanpaste]

Pretty much none. It might even be safe to say the current "modern states" in the Muslim world are closer to Islamic states than the previous ones, specially that justice and equality is delivered to a far greater extent to the citizens.

Exactly!

 

[wildlens]

Don't you Tanatanis proudly claim you are adherents of the oldest religion in the world? Isn't Tanatani Kuchra also world-renown for its filthy caste system responsible for the persecution of millions upon millions of lower caste Tanatanis? So in a contest between Islam and Tanatani Kuchra on which one is more responsible for vile things, the latter will win hands down.

Longer runtime + More people relegated to slavery and serfdom = Tanatani win

And I won't stop saying it because beastly Tanatanis like you think it's Hindooooooophobia.

MahaMad ppl are the ones who persecute ppl even today. Nice topic diversion mahamad fellow.

Jahil reservationchaap, this sentence doesn't make sense.
Either
1. It's scripted (In which case you'll need to ask yourself why it was ever accepted in court)
2. He was boasting (In which case you'll need to ask yourself what kind of innocent person boasts about committing rape and murder)
IT CAN'T BE BOTH.
People like you should stop waddling in here and copypasting Whatsapp scripts, thinking you're doing a great service to Tanatani rapists by exposing how much of a mindless drone you are.

It can be both. Mahamad lack of logic. I said he claimed it was scripted. And I said he could be boasting. And what kind of person boasts on that .. look no further than your own bookswhich allow women to be treated as spoils of war and babarnama having murdered thousands of Hindus and which is being implemented by ISIS muslims.

Pajeet logic = if it happens under Congress rule, it means it's untrue. No logic, no argumentation, no nothing, everyone here is just supposed to accept Congress = sickular Khangress conspiracy against Hindoooooooos.

Maha mad logic - I did not say that. I said that Congress arrested him by planning a sting. Modi govt released hm. So there is some dilution of the case here.

Once again, showing the time tested Tanatani alliance with rapists. When forced to consider the possibility of a vile rapist openly gloating on camera about rape and murder, they would rather choose to believe in a convoluted Khangress conspiracy than accept the rapist is actually telling the truth.

lol.. no one accepted that rape is ok.. MahaMad logic again.

And finally proud of having a Hindu school of thought. You should consider reverting from the mistakes of your weak forefathers (or maybe they were spoils of war)

 

[hatehs]

Nice topic diversion mahamad fellow.

LOL this beastly Tantani suddenly being shown a mirror and what does is he say?
SAAAR YOU ARE DOING TOPIC "DIWERSION"
Oye jahil poojari, READ YOUR OWN POSTS. YOU WERE THE ONE WHO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW ISLAM IS A VILE RELIGION. So let's talk about it. Lets compare Islam with your 69 trillion year Tanatani Kuchra and its vile caste system enslaving hundreds of millions under the yoke of nangey flabby Bra-men.

ppl are the ones who persecute ppl even today

Abey gobarchaap, I can dig up a dozen stories showing your beastly community gangraping a lower-caste woman or murdering a lower-caste man for flouting Hindu rules about caste segregating happening today. Tere Dalit bhaiyon are getting their kaley behinds thrashed every day by other slightly higher caste kaley and you have the GALL to talk about Islam.

I said he claimed it was scripted. And I said he could be boasting.

LMAO you can't even make your mind.

SAAR IT COULD BE SCRIPTED OR HE COULD BE BOASTING. SAAR IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE IT COULD BE BOTH BECAUSE UH..... MY RAPIST YOGI GURU MUNI SWAMI PRACHARAK SAID SO!!!

I said that Congress arrested him by planning a sting. Modi

CHAL GOBARCHAAP, PROVE IT. PROVE CONGRESS PLANNED THE STING. Btw before you pick up your phone, my standard message to all Hindus here is that a Whatsapp forward from a nanga rapist Yogi is not considered proof on PDF.

And finally proud of having a Hindu school of thought. You should consider reverting from the mistakes of your weak forefathers (or maybe they were spoils of war)

And on my end, I recommend you convert to a religion which doesn't consider you a subhuman lower-caste dasyu.

 

[wildlens]

LOL this beastly Tantani suddenly being shown a mirror and what does is he say?
SAAAR YOU ARE DOING TOPIC "DIWERSION"
Oye jahil poojari, READ YOUR OWN POSTS. YOU WERE THE ONE WHO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW ISLAM IS A VILE RELIGION. So let's talk about it. Lets compare Islam with your 69 trillion year Tanatani Kuchra and its vile caste system enslaving hundreds of millions under the yoke of nangey flabby Bra-men.


Abey gobarchaap, I can dig up a dozen stories showing your beastly community gangraping a lower-caste woman or murdering a lower-caste man for flouting Hindu rules about caste segregating happening today. Tere Dalit bhaiyon are getting their kaley behinds thrashed every day by other slightly higher caste kaley and you have the GALL to talk about Islam.


LMAO you can't even make your mind.

SAAR IT COULD BE SCRIPTED OR HE COULD BE BOASTING. SAAR IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE IT COULD BE BOTH BECAUSE UH..... MY RAPIST YOGI GURU MUNI SWAMI PRACHARAK SAID SO!!!



CHAL GOBARCHAAP, PROVE IT. PROVE CONGRESS PLANNED THE STING. Btw before you pick up your phone, my standard message to all Hindus here is that a Whatsapp forward from a nanga rapist Yogi is not considered proof on PDF.


And on my end, I recommend you convert to a religion which doesn't consider you a subhuman lower-caste dasyu.

lol.. eat less beef.. you have high BP. Frustrated because your forefathers made the wrong choice.

 

[hatehs]

lol.. eat less beef.. you have high BP. Frustrated because your forefathers made the wrong choice.

Atleast my forefathers had a choice. You think your forefathers willingly became footstools for naked Bra-men?

 

[wildlens]

Atleast my forefathers had a choice. You think your forefathers willingly became footstools for naked Bra-men?

they did not have a choice. you do , make the right one.

 

[wildlens]

If you look up caste-wise percentages of the population, you will find Jammu has the highest portion of Brahmins in its population.

Most of the rest of north India comes in at between 10 to 5%. The caste tends to dominate wherever it is. In West Bengal, the government has always been dominated, for the last 75 years, by a coalition of Brahmin, and Kayastha and Vaidya. Whether Congress, or CPI(M), or Trinamool, the coalition never varies, never changes. The Brahmin is not threatened, anywhere north of the Vindhyas.

To the south, only in Tamil Nadu has there been suffering and oppression. if we take the other states, Maharasthra, what with the Deshastha in Nagpur and Pune, and generally clustered thickly around Pune, and the Konkanastha running right down the coast, is well covered, and with not a note of hostility to that caste grouping. No wonder Savarkar found a wonderfully nourishing atmosphere there.

Just on the last sentence. The RSS is am told is trying to meld all castes and I believe Savarkar himself was not casteist, and in fact was atheist.
You are right that the brahmin is not AS threatened in these parts as in TN or Kerala. However the number of brhmians as a percentage has dwindled. this is why we need to have every community in India to improve their HDI and partake in the economic growth
Sabka saath, sabra vikas.