Tarek Fatah - India without SINDH, SINDHU is not INDIA

[django]

Pakistan and India have both inherited Indus Valley Civilization. BUT we have the majority of IVC sites Just because one English guy found one site centuries ago and popularized it doesn't mean it's the birthplace of IVC.

IVC emerged from west (coterminous Pak) you fool and moved partly towards east in time not the other way round, learn some history

 

[RaGotimaar]

@war&peace

My bad, those are 4 Dhams. Mathas are different. I've been behind on the religion Gyaan since I read that there's only two ways to practice religion.
1) Good deeds Karma
2) Gaining and Imparting knowledge
The rest is hokum

 

[LASER1]

You pathetic cretin the term Sindhu was termthat was used by Persians and not by locals as for the term Hindu it was concocted by your British masters and subsequently used by polytheists in your Gangadesh, learn some history before you embarrass yourself you delusional clown.

Another confused dude arrived in line, haha Sindhu is a Sanskrit word meaning a large water body. The Arabian sea was called Sindhu Sagar. The first use of Hindu was by the Persians which was not a religion but a people who lived there. And Hindus are not really polytheist.

You first need to qualify the internet search knowledge to qualify for my next reply. Then you can cry like this.
Sir. Django, why don't you buzz off.

 

[django]

My bad, those are 4 Dhams. Mathas are different. I've been behind on the religion Gyaan since I read that there's only two ways to practice religion.
1) Good deeds Karma
2) Gaining and Imparting knowledge
The rest is hokum

I am talking about the Mathas (regions) not the dhams,,,,,maybe Om Swami taught you this lol.

 

[RaGotimaar]

IVC emerged from west (coterminous Pak) you fool and moved partly towards east in time not the other way round, learn some history

Is there any proof of that? Any proof? Has there been a carbon dating done which says Pakistani sites are older than Bharat sites? There is none. It's very plausible many sites existed on Indus as well as Saraswati river at the same time .
I dont believe what some imperialist white guy wrote in 1800s as history. Much about IVC growth and political system is lost.

And why are you complaining that Bharat is the known successor of IVC? As well as the Mughal monuments? Do you want to be called Indian? And use the word India? You're free to do that my neighbour.

 

[LASER1]

You pathetic fool, why do you not heed the words of your fellow Gangadweller, ancient Sage Adi Shankara according to whom the "four mathas" of so-called Bharat are no way near lands coterminous to Pakistan, now log off in shame with your Michel Danino/Om Swami inspired bogus propaganda about so-called Greek claims...Gangadesh Mata Ki Jai

Oh really. Who's Adi Sankara? Is he someone more important than the 4 Vedas and Upanishads? He is just a philosopher, not a surveyor and 4 mathas? You don't even know what they are. They are teaching places where Advaita Vedanta is taught (monastery). Not the boundaries of India, what are you trying to prove with the Adi Sankara and his monasteries for Advaita Vedanta?

Waste of time.

I am talking about the Mathas (regions)

You trumped my Sanskrit knowledge with your own definition for Mutt. Guru Django

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

We don’t have another more broken person than Tarik Fateh, although Adnan Sami is a close second.

 

[Mamluk]

He is almost right.

He should say "Sindh is the only India".

What we know as India today is actually Ganges, Deccan and Dravida Nadu.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Is there any proof of that? Any proof?

Here read this below Gangoo.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095714

 

[RaGotimaar]

Here read this below Gangoo.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095714

Nice study. You should've bothered to read it and not just rely on the image the study actually proves my point. Neolithic only means tool-making. Has no directi relation to Indus Valley civilization
I am quoting from the study you posted

Sites shown with blue symbols have 14C dates available, and those in red are archaeologically dated. Modern national borders are shown dashed. (Most red dots in India and Pakistan so no actual carbon dating.)

And the earliest Neolithic layer has not always been discovered (and then dated) with confidence. This problem is less prominent in the case of the better explored European Neolithic, but becomes acute in Asia

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Advisory to Pakistani's: The Hindutwa lobby along with BJP are desperate to re-write the history of Gangadesh. It involves essentially of making a savage, primarily aborginal swamp with a thin layer of upper class migrants look as if it was centre of civilization. A laughable proposition. Until yesterday most of them were half naked junglees. Any doubts just look at old film reels or pictures. The closest geography that has civilization is the Indus Pakistan and thus these swamp aborginies aka BJP are doing their best to appropriate and then sell it as their "Indian". Massive amount of money is being poured into this and academics are under pressure to make history fit their agenda.

No serious academic ever treats the east-west movement of civilization. That is like turning everything on it's head. Mehr Garh near the Afghan border in Pakistan is considered the pre-cursor oldest site to IVC yet these dhoti fanatics have declared Rakhigiri the largest and oldest site. What load of cobblers. So don't even buy into one of these claims. The link I provided is from a academic study involving many universties and research bodies from various countries. It essentially shows that civilization permeated slowly from coterminous Iraq to coterminous Pakistan. The naked savages to the east are no where in the frame.

 

[Mamluk]

Nice study. You should've bothered to read it and not just rely on the image the study actually proves my point. Neolithic only means tool-making. Has no directi relation to Indus Valley civilization
I am quoting from the study you posted

Both archeology and genetics point to a Middle Eastern origin of Indus.

One of the most recent paper on Indus genetics, co-authored by 90 researchers from the US and India:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/31/292581

Get educated before posting.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And just to clarify. When I use terms like Shudra and Aboriginal I am informed by Hindoo's themselves. When talking to Gangoo's use Hindoo language/concepts. The fact is other than Brahmin and perhaps the Rajputs rest of India is either Grade A - Austro-Abos or Grade B - mixed Austro-Abos. These are the much despised lower order castes. They are the vast majority. Don't let Bollywood, a few Brahmins, few Parsees etc trick you. India is just a vast squirming mass of Dalits, Shudras and by product of miscegnation. And the caste system that these Gangoos enforce merely alludes to this. As a Muslim I believe in equality of mankind but I uses the language of Hindoo's to talk to Gangoo's.

The reality is Hindoo culture is spread across a vast area and countries. Nepal has higher % of Hindoo's then India. Then there is Burma/Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaya, Borneo, Bali, Indonesia. But if you notice Gangadeshi's will only sniff up our backside - the Indus. The reason is simple. We were the cradle of civilization.

 

[RaGotimaar]

Both archeology and genetics point to a Middle Eastern origin of Indus.

One of the most recent paper on Indus genetics, co-authored by 90 researchers from the US and India:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/31/292581

Get educated before posting.

That's a genetics study. An interesting one sure. But still no relation with Indus Valley Civilization. It only talks of intermixing of genetics from Eurasian Steppes and Indus Periphery. Doesn't talk squat about the development of IVC. IVC existed before those migrations happened.

 

[itsanufy]

Clearly you're the ones who don't know history, since you deny basic facts like the Aryan migration/invasion.



During Akbar's rule, Lahore was the capital for a good few years. He was also born in Sindh, and literally built towers out of the skulls of Hindustani princes. He's not yours.



You need to brush up on your reading skills. I never said the Mughals were the longest ruling dynasty, I said Muslims have had dominance over Hindustan for much longer than Hindustan has ever had dominance over Muslims/Pakistan.

Are you blind? That map clearly shows roughly half of Pakistan not being under Gupta control. Other maps show the Gupta's controlling even less of Pakistan:

It also only shows the rule of the Gupta's at their peak, nomadic tribes from Central Asia (who's descendants are mainly the Pashtuns, Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs) quickly came in and settled in Pakistan, conquering land previously ruled by the Gupta's and acted as the main cause of their decline.



That is true, but 142 years is peanuts compared to how long Muslims have ruled large portions of Hindustan for.



That map of the Pala dynasty is horrendously inaccurate. The Pala empire never ruled over large portions of Pakistan.

Menander, Kanishka, Akbar, Shah Jahan, the Lodi dynasty were all from Pakistan and ruled over large portions of Hindustan. Mir Chakar Rind also sent his forces to sack Delhi, and the Shah Mir dynasty that ruled over Kashmir was also originally from Swat district. I can name more individuals if you wish.

Alas if we could have followed din-e-elahi, we would have been better.
It was not Muslims but present day India ruled over present day Pakistan and almost all of the history.
Palas ruled Gandhara, probably they have a colony there.
By your logic Mr Jia-ul-Haq and Mr Musharraf are Indians.
This will be my last reply in this thread, but it is proved that Gangoos ruled over Indus.