Tarek Fatah - India without SINDH, SINDHU is not INDIA

[LASER1]

What facts? There is nothing, I repeat, nothing to prove the history of the Indus region belongs to Hindustan. Hence why you cannot produce anything that supports such an absurd claim. All you can do is rely on verbal semantics, but even then you are yet to provide a sufficient source.

Lol! So, you don't believe the Megesthenes actually called Indika (India) as a quadrilateral shaped region extending from what's today's Pakistan to Magadha in the East and Tamil Nadu in the South. Maybe that doesn't fit your narrative and you keep being in denial. Diodorus another Greek traveler describe India from east to west with 28000 stadia from east to west and 32000 stadia from North to South. Here's your link. Now you may not agree to this link, then I'll bring more. Be my guest.

Another reference from the link I posted before. The Chinese travelers referred Tianzhu(India) was also referred to as Wutianzhu (五天竺, literally "Five Indias"), because there were five geographical regions in India known to the Chinese: Central, Eastern, Western, Northern, and Southern India.
Now you and your @Indus Pakistan dude can distort history as many times you want, they will have buyers among the gullible bunch in PDF, and we get comments like these.

Actually people living here 'as of now' in this land called Indus valley laying claim to it, the civilization, the heritage, the arts and crafts makes many times more sense, than people living in Gangetic plains and Ganga valley civilizations laying claim to it, is there any??

MOD's are no less trolls, and outside this forum get them banned permanently for these kinds of comments.

These dumbass Gangoos

We have a rough indication of our population, hence why we are able to produce such statistics. It's not like Hindustan knows it's exact population either.

72% is still terrible, even if it's better than Pakistan. You are also still inferior to us in many areas.

The margin of error maybe 20 million lol. It's not terrible, India may have the second largest number of literates in the whole world. Works both ways you see.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

India is like a dustbin of the world

A man who is rejected by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and even Canada gets audience and acceptance in India

You hail from that same dustbin.

@Ahmet Pasha

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Indus Pakistan

next PM of India

 

[Numerous]

It's weird you know, this man is hailed as some sort of expert by non-Indian anti-Islam people abroad too. Some of them flock to him like flies flock to dog poo.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Only garbage like you hails from that dustbin bithc

You hail from that same dustbin.

@Ahmet Pasha

 

[Hamza913]

Lol! So, you don't believe the Megesthenes actually called Indika (India) as a quadrilateral shaped region extending from what's today's Pakistan to Magadha in the East and Tamil Nadu in the South

No, I "believe" (hate to use that term for something that's pretty much 100% fact) that the term India, although often misused, only appropriately describes the land existing around the Indus river. I already told you, I don't care about the errors other people made.

India may have the second largest number of literates in the whole world.

And Pakistan could also have one of the largest populations of literate people in the world, so your original comment is still quite a silly one.

 

[Daghalodi]

He wants to take Babar out of Indian Syllabus..lmao!!! You can take babar out of your syllabus but you cant change your History!!!

 

[Hamza913]

Its very sorry to see that you people don't know your history correctly.

Clearly you're the ones who don't know history, since you deny basic facts like the Aryan migration/invasion.

1. We are proud of our history, that's why we call Akbar the great. Akbar considered the land as his country, this can be found in Akbarnama. Fact Mughal empire was ruled from present day India.

During Akbar's rule, Lahore was the capital for a good few years. He was also born in Sindh, and literally built towers out of the skulls of Hindustani princes. He's not yours.

2. As I said earlier, you need to brush up your history . No Mughals were not the longest ruling dynasty from subcontinent. Mughals empire was from 1526 till 1707 (with Aurangzeb, rest were big landlords), 181 years. It was Guptas who ruled for 250 years.

You need to brush up on your reading skills. I never said the Mughals were the longest ruling dynasty, I said Muslims have had dominance over Hindustan for much longer than Hindustan has ever had dominance over Muslims/Pakistan.

Are you blind? That map clearly shows roughly half of Pakistan not being under Gupta control. Other maps show the Gupta's controlling even less of Pakistan:

It also only shows the rule of the Gupta's at their peak, nomadic tribes from Central Asia (who's descendants are mainly the Pashtuns, Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs) quickly came in and settled in Pakistan, conquering land previously ruled by the Gupta's and acted as the main cause of their decline.

Mind Mauryas also ruled from 322 BCE and 180 BCE, roughly 142 years. They ruled most of present day Pakistan.

That is true, but 142 years is peanuts compared to how long Muslims have ruled large portions of Hindustan for.

3. Palas

There are other empires which ruled present day Pakistan and have their capital in present day India. Only kingdom which I think ruled India from present day Pakistan was Kaniska from 127 to 140 merely for 13 years.

That map of the Pala dynasty is horrendously inaccurate. The Pala empire never ruled over large portions of Pakistan.

Menander, Kanishka, Akbar, Shah Jahan, the Lodi dynasty were all from Pakistan and ruled over large portions of Hindustan. Mir Chakar Rind also sent his forces to sack Delhi, and the Shah Mir dynasty that ruled over Kashmir was also originally from Swat district. I can name more individuals if you wish.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Lol! So, you don't believe the Megesthenes actually called Indika (India) as a quadrilateral shaped region extending from what's today's Pakistan to Magadha in the East and Tamil Nadu in the South. Maybe that doesn't fit your narrative and you keep being in denial. Diodorus another Greek traveler describe India from east to west with 28000 stadia from east to west and 32000 stadia from North to South. Here's your link. Now you may not agree to this link, then I'll bring more. Be my guest.

I am curious. What is the import of this with reference to today?

By the way "Asia" originated from the Ancient Greek word Ἀσία, first attributed to Herodotus (about 440 BCE) in reference to Anatolia or to the Persian Empire, in contrast to Greece and Egypt. Is that what you understand by Asia today?

 

[django]

Apply your 'sore' logic in your own (former) country. Name your country Sindhu or Hindu, the river as Sindhu, a name given by the Indo-Aryans.

You pathetic cretin the term Sindhu was termthat was used by Persians and not by locals as for the term Hindu it was concocted by your British masters and subsequently used by polytheists in your Gangadesh, learn some history before you embarrass yourself you delusional clown.

 

[RaGotimaar]

Article 1 of the Indian Constitution says India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States.

So we're actually Bharat . Most government documents in Hindi use the term Bhartiye Sarkar.

I prefer Bharat over India anyday . A Bhartiye or Bharat Vasi sounds much better than Indian citizen.

"The official Sanskrit name for India is Bharat."
Bharat : meaning
"Bha" means Light and Knowledge,

"rata" means “Devoted”.

Bharat means "devoted to light as against darkness".

The name "Bharat" was symbolic in nature revealing the fact that the whole country was highly enlightened spiritually. Iwas also borne by a legendary king, the son of Dushyanta and Shakuntala.

 

[django]

Lol! So, you don't believe the Megesthenes actually called Indika (India) as a quadrilateral shaped region extending from what's today's Pakistan to Magadha in the East and Tamil Nadu in the South. Maybe that doesn't fit your narrative and you keep being in denial. Diodorus another Greek traveler describe India from east to west with 28000 stadia from east to west and 32000 stadia from North to South. Here's your link. Now you may not agree to this link, then I'll bring more. Be my guest.

Another reference from the link I posted before. The Chinese travelers referred Tianzhu(India) was also referred to as Wutianzhu (五天竺, literally "Five Indias"), because there were five geographical regions in India known to the Chinese: Central, Eastern, Western, Northern, and Southern India.
Now you and your @Indus Pakistan dude can distort history as many times you want, they will have buyers among the gullible bunch in PDF, and we get comments like these.

MOD's are no less trolls, and outside this forum get them banned permanently for these kinds of comments.




The margin of error maybe 20 million lol. It's not terrible, India may have the second largest number of literates in the whole world. Works both ways you see.

You pathetic fool, why do you not heed the words of your fellow Gangadweller, ancient Sage Adi Shankara according to whom the "four mathas" of so-called Bharat are no way near lands coterminous to Pakistan, now log off in shame with your Michel Danino/Om Swami inspired bogus propaganda about so-called Greek claims...Gangadesh Mata Ki Jai

 

[RaGotimaar]

You pathetic fool, why do you not heed the words of your fellow Gangadweller, ancient Sage Adi Shankara according to whom the "four mathas" of so-called Bharat are no way near lands coterminous to Pakistan, now log off in shame with your Michel Danino/Om Swami inspired bogus propaganda about so-called Greek claims...Gangadesh Mata Ki Jai

I believe the Mathas are only meant to be power centres of Lord Shiva or something religious like that. It's most probably locations with pockets of electromagnetic energy.

Pakistan and India have both inherited Indus Valley Civilization. BUT we have the majority of IVC sites Just because one English guy found one site centuries ago and popularized it doesn't mean it's the birthplace of IVC.

As of 2008, over 1000 Indus Valley Civilizationsites have been discovered,[1] of which 406 sites are in Pakistan and 616 sites in India,[2]while some sites in Afghanistan are believed to be trading colonies.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indus_Valley_Civilisation_sites

Moreover, if Pakistanis want to claim IVC they should take better care of those sites that they have so I can visit them in future

 

[django]

I believe the Mathas are only meant to be power centres of Lord Shiva or something religious like that. It's most probably locations with pockets of electromagnetic energy.

@war&peace

 

[war&peace]

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