Tamilnadu oppose India's Sanskrit week

[DarkSeid]

I don't find Sinhala language sounds anywhere similar to North Indian languages but still that is considered as an Indo-Aryan isolate. I mean I can understand a bit of all North Indian languages but Sinhalas is nowhere sounds close to that.

Where did you hear Sinhalese in India? I'm pretty sure even if you listen to our national anthem well, you can grab similar words. I just underlined some words.
Sri Lanka Matha (Mother Sri Lanka)
Sri Lanka Matha,
apa Sri Lanka, Namo Namo Namo Namo Matha
Sundara siri barini, Surendi athi Sobamana Lanka
Dhanya dhanaya neka mal palathuru piri, Jaya bhoomiya ramya.
Apa hata sapa siri setha sadana, jeewanaye Matha!
Piliganu mena apa bhakthi puja namo namo matha
Apa Sri Lanka,
Namo Namo Namo Namo Matha
Obawe apa widya,
Obamaya apa sathya
Obawe apa shakti,
Apa hada thula bhakthi
Oba apa aloke,
Aapage anuprane
Oba apa jeewana we,
Apa mukthiya obawe
Nawa jeewana demine
Nnithina apa Pubudu karan matha
Gnana weerya wadawamina ragena yanu
mena jaya bhoomi kara
Eka mawekuge daru kala bawina
yamu yamu wee nopama
Prema wada sama bheda durara da
Namo Namo Matha
Apa Sri Lanka, Namo Namo Namo Namo Matha

 

[HeinzG]

I don't find Sinhala language sounds anywhere similar to North Indian languages but still that is considered as an Indo-Aryan isolate. I mean I can understand a bit of all North Indian languages but Sinhalas is nowhere sounds close to that.

But Sinhalese can understand Hindi perfectly well if they grasp few key words. That's because Hindi and Sinhalese share a common base structure. But when it comes to Tamil that is totally different. Tamil and Sinhalese do not share a common basic structure so it is kind of hard to understand Tamil even if Sinhalese understand few Tamil words.

 

[INDIC]

Where did you hear Sinhalese in India? I'm pretty sure even if you listen to our national anthem well, you can grab similar words. I just underlined some words.
Sri Lanka Matha (Mother Sri Lanka)
Sri Lanka Matha,
apa Sri Lanka, Namo Namo Namo Namo Matha
Sundara siri barini, Surendi athi Sobamana Lanka
Dhanya dhanaya neka mal palathuru piri, Jaya bhoomiya ramya.
Apa hata sapa siri setha sadana, jeewanaye Matha!
Piliganu mena apa bhakthi puja namo namo matha
Apa Sri Lanka,
Namo Namo Namo Namo Matha
Obawe apa widya,
Obamaya apa sathya
Obawe apa shakti,
Apa hada thula bhakthi
Oba apa aloke,
Aapage anuprane
Oba apa jeewana we,
Apa mukthiya obawe
Nawa jeewana demine
Nnithina apa Pubudu karan matha
Gnana weerya wadawamina ragena yanu
mena jaya bhoomi kara
Eka mawekuge daru kala bawina
yamu yamu wee nopama
Prema wada sama bheda durara da
Namo Namo Matha
Apa Sri Lanka, Namo Namo Namo Namo Matha

You only need videos to hear Sinhala, I am refer to Sinhala vernacular. Although the 'Tatsam' are identical in all Indo-Aryan languages but even your National anthem nowhere closer to North Indian languages because the common words used in North Indian languages are only slightly different to each other, I can understand bit of Assamese or Sindhi because of their similar words with Hindi but Sinhala is nowhere close.

 

[HeinzG]

I said pre Dravidian tribes, please check my post - Based on physical attributes the Veddas can be consider as the biological continuation of the Balangoda Man.

Pre-Dravidian doesn't mean that they were Dravidians. Balangoda man is the ancestor of the 4 hela tribes. So he is the ancestor of Sinhalese also.

the original tribes were subjected to Sinhala Buddhist genocide, I cant speculate , may be there was a time when Lanka was joined to mainland Tamilnadu

It seems that you haven't read Sri Lankan history. History speaks about native uprising during the reign of Panduvasadewa the brother of Vijeya. Those natives were ultimately successful in overthrowing Vijeya's line of kings.

You can't prove nothing by saying once SL was connected to India. It proves nothing.

I suggest you read up on ice age , rising sea level , global warming etc

BS. Have you ever see an undersee map of Indian Ocean? It is only possible that the Adam bridge to be submerged. There are no other land that shows any resemblance to have been submerged in IOR.

You only need videos to hear Sinhala, I am refer to Sinhala vernacular. Although the 'Tatsam' are identical in all Indo-Aryan languages but even your National anthem nowhere closer to North Indian languages because the common words used in North Indian languages are only slightly different to each other, I can understand bit of Assamese or Sindhi because of their similar words with Hindi but Sinhala is nowhere close.

I can understand perfect Hindi sentences. That is only by hearing it for several years.

 

[abjktu]

Where did you hear Sinhalese in India? I'm pretty sure even if you listen to our national anthem well, you can grab similar words. I just underlined some words.
Sri Lanka Matha (Mother Sri Lanka)
Sri Lanka Matha,
apa Sri Lanka, Namo Namo Namo Namo Matha
Sundara siri barini, Surendi athi Sobamana Lanka
Dhanya dhanaya neka mal palathuru piri, Jaya bhoomiya ramya.
Apa hata sapa siri setha sadana, jeewanaye Matha!
Piliganu mena apa bhakthi puja namo namo matha
Apa Sri Lanka,
Namo Namo Namo Namo Matha
Obawe apa widya,
Obamaya apa sathya
Obawe apa shakti,
Apa hada thula bhakthi
Oba apa aloke,
Aapage anuprane
Oba apa jeewana we,
Apa mukthiya obawe
Nawa jeewana demine
Nnithina apa Pubudu karan matha
Gnana weerya wadawamina ragena yanu
mena jaya bhoomi kara
Eka mawekuge daru kala bawina
yamu yamu wee nopama
Prema wada sama bheda durara da
Namo Namo Matha
Apa Sri Lanka, Namo Namo Namo Namo Matha

Actually words like matha,namo,sobamana,sundara,dhanyg,jana,bhoomiya ramya,jewana,bhakthi,pooja,widya,shakthi,sadya,anuprane,mukthiya,gnana,nawa,weerya,prema,bheda...are also used in all dravida languages like Kannada,Malayalam,Telegu and also in Sanskritized Tamil...

 

[HeinzG]

As I said before for the formation of Sinhala language Sanskrit and Tamil has being used. That is what I said before and the same thing is highlighted by the bold parts in what you pasted. About dravidian features in Sinhala, it is not some words, but like close to half of words in Sinhala have a tamil origin. And it is not limited to words only. The grammar structure of Sinhala is very much equivalent to the grammar structure in Tamil in spoken sinhala.

Tamil wasn't used in formation of Sinhalese language. The core structure of Sinhalese is Sanskrit. We have only burrowed words from Tamil. Sinhalese and Tamil is like English and French.

Also on words we have only Tamil words in our speaking language. Our written language is still Sanskrit based. That explains many things.

Tamil was the language and ppl we contacted most in different ways and many sinhalese have tamil origin. Even in 14th 15th centuries Tamil literature like Thirukkural did influence sinhala literature. So there is an obviously large Tamil influence.

Only in those times Tamils became prominent. That is why we have our Tamil influence in the language. Tamil mainly influenced our day to day language that means the core of the Sinhalese culture wasn't impacted by it. If so our written language should also have being changed. We see this in English with it's heavy Latin and French influence in written words.

I said no matter what history is demography is what matters when it comes to current day politics. therefore if SL wants to keep its boundaries intact treat every one fairly and in the same manner. That is common sense.

To get proper decisions in current day politics we need to refer to the history. We cannot neglect history just because the demography is changed. Also remembering our past doesn't make any one unfairly treated. It is only the people who believes that there was Tamil eelam that get hurt when mentioned the history.

Actually words like matha,namo,sobamana,sundara,dhanyg,jana,bhoomiya ramya,jewana,bhakthi,pooja,widya,shakthi,sadya,anuprane,mukthiya,gnana,nawa,weerya,prema,bheda...are also used in all dravida languages like Kannada,Malayalam,Telegu and also in Sanskritized Tamil...

It is not because of the words that Sinhalese is categorized under Indo-Aryan language family.

The vellalars of northern srilanka are also very close to us in culture/food/lifestyle etc and also the upper castes of southern kerala,we all are very close to each other in temperament and intellect.

That is why I say Tamils of Northern SL are recent migrants rather than natives. If anyone lived in a separate location independently for so many years, they should have created there own culture and language.

I wonder how do you make such claims,there is a royal family of jaffna and it is so close to rameswaram,where the maravar king sethupathy ruled till 1947.

There were no historic record of any kingdom from India waging wars with Northern Tamils. Not even King Asoka was bothered about them. Every one waged war with Sinhalese. That also explains why there was no Tamil eelam in northern Sri Lanka.

There have been so many wars between sinhalese people of the south of the island and the jaffna kingdom and the maravrs of ramnad.

Show me one.

the tamizh they speak is very very antique and different from what we and the indian vellalars speak,

Wrong statement.

 

[manlion]

Pre-Dravidian doesn't mean that they were Dravidians. Balangoda man is the ancestor of the 4 hela tribes. So he is the ancestor of Sinhalese also.

and your point is ? Pre Dravidian = tribals, , humans evolve , if balangoda is your ancestor you should be speaking his language and worshipping his gods ,so culturally or physically (except for the veddas) there's nothing for you to claim balangoda ancestry when your ancestor should be from the lion. Even the name of your country is from Sanskrit , there's nothing to call your own

BS. Have you ever see an undersee map of Indian Ocean? It is only possible that the Adam bridge to be submerged. There are no other land that shows any resemblance to have been submerged in IOR.

there is evidence that sub-continental coastal line submerged by the ocean, if you are unaware of the fact - its not my fault

Sinhala words of Tamil origin

 

[Saradiel]

Tamil wasn't used in formation of Sinhalese language. The core structure of Sinhalese is Sanskrit. We have only burrowed words from Tamil. Sinhalese and Tamil is like English and French.

Also on words we have only Tamil words in our speaking language. Our written language is still Sanskrit based. That explains many things.



Only in those times Tamils became prominent. That is why we have our Tamil influence in the language. Tamil mainly influenced our day to day language that means the core of the Sinhalese culture wasn't impacted by it. If so our written language should also have being changed. We see this in English with it's heavy Latin and French influence in written words.



To get proper decisions in current day politics we need to refer to the history. We cannot neglect history just because the demography is changed. Also remembering our past doesn't make any one unfairly treated. It is only the people who believes that there was Tamil eelam that get hurt when mentioned the history.



It is not because of the words that Sinhalese is categorized under Indo-Aryan language family.



That is why I say Tamils of Northern SL are recent migrants rather than natives. If anyone lived in a separate location independently for so many years, they should have created there own culture and language.



There were no historic record of any kingdom from India waging wars with Northern Tamils. Not even King Asoka was bothered about them. Every one waged war with Sinhalese. That also explains why there was no Tamil eelam in northern Sri Lanka.




Show me one.




Wrong statement.

Normally debating with an idiot is useless. Anyway Sinhala has a large dravidian element not just a sanskrit element. The sentence structure is similar to tamil. I am not saying Sinhala is a totally dravidian language but there is a strong dravidian element in it. Those who categorised sinhala as indo european were white people. And their tamil knowledge was poor to understand that. If not we point out our dravidian roots and dravidian element in Sinhala, sinhala people would be termed as mere north indian immigrants forgetting our roots to SL.

And though you like to dwell in history your understanding of strategic affairs is pathetically poor. That is evident when you suggest SL should support dravidanadu in India. That is understandable given you are a stupid and blind government supporter of an incredibly stupid government.
No one look at history and see what happen 1000 years ago when taking strategic decisions or it does not affect future. (Now as the idiot you are do not take this as i am against history and says history is unimportant). The reality is SL cannot sustain north and east of SL as a part of SL without integrating the people there as there is a tamil majority in north and east. That is idiot is common sense.
Noone cares if Sinhalese ever lived in N and E centuries ago if Tamils broke away with these parts. No one cares about what your history says. It is the current realities that matter. If we lose on current realities and lose our territory no one cares who lived there centuries before and you can insert your history book in where sun does nt shine. Because idiot what matters is current realities.

 

[DarkSeid]

@INDIC, @abjktu
I know that you are not familiarized with Sinhala as much as we are with Hindi. Although Sinhala is in Indo-Aryan family, you can't expect that much of similarity due to the separation from others.

"Sinhala shares much with other Indo-Aryan languages such as Hindi. This includes vocabulary and grammar.

Examples:

Verbs in their infinitive form.

Note that the ending "vaa" in Sinhala infinitives can be removed wihout any change to the meaning.
This has been done below with some of the infinitives to highlight the similarities between the Hindi form and the Sinhala form. Note that these are two language separated by thousands of kilometres and a huge belt of Dravidian languages.


"to do"
Hindi (H) - karnaa
Sinhala (S) - karanaa

"to kill"
H - maarnaa
S - maranaa

"to see"
H - dekhnaa
S - dakinaa

"to eat"
H - khanaa
S - kanavaa

"to bathe"
H - nahaanaa
S - naanavaa

"to come"
H - aanaa
S - enaa

"to go"
H - jaanaa
S - yanaa

"to sing"
H - gaanaa
S - gayanaa

"to give"
H - denaa
S - denavaa

"to count"
H - ginnaa
S - ganinaa

"to know"
H - jaannaa
S - dannavaa

"to insult/scorn"
H - nindaa karnaa
S - nindaa karanaa

"to hear"
H - sunnaa
S - asanaa"

And some simple words...


ENGLISH -- HINDI -- SINHALA(with synonyms)

NO - nahi - naha
YES - haa - haa/ow
RICE - bhaath - bath
OIL - tel - tel
MEAT - maans - mas/maansha
POTATO - aaloo - ala
SUGAR - cheeni - seeni
HAND - haath - atha/hasthaya
TEETH - daant - dat/dantha
EAR - kaan - kana/karna
ARM - baahu - baahuwa
MOUTH - muu - muwa/mukhaya
NECK - gelaa - gela
FINGER - unglee - angilla
DOUBLE - dugunaa - deguna
SUFFERING - dukh - dukha
SMOKE - dhua - duma
FAR - door - dura
ON THE RIGHT - dahine - dakune
STAR - taaraa - taruwa/tharakaawa
MOON - chaand - handa/chandraya
COUGH - khaasii - kessa
CORNER - konaa - kona
BLACK - kaalaa - kalu/kaala
BLUE - neelaa - nil/neela
VILLAGE - graam - gama
WAR - yudh - yuddaya
BLIND - andhaa - andha
BLANKET - kammal - kambala
DARKNESS - andheraa - andhura
BRASS - peetal - pittala
COPPER - taambaa - tamba
LANGUAGE - bhaashaa - basa/baashawa
NAKED - nangaa - nagna
NEW - nayaa - nava
ODOUR - gandh - ganda
OLD - puraanaa - parana/puraana
POISEN - vish - visa
PRICE - moolya - mila
ROOM - kamraa - kaamaraya
SIN - paap - paapaya
SPECIAL - vishesh - vishesha
HEAVY - bharee - bara
LAST - antim - antima
UNCLE - maamaa - maamaa

Numerals

ENGLISH - HINDI - SINHALA

ONE - ek - eka
TWO - do - deka
THREE - teen - tuna
FOUR - chaar - hatara/chathurtha
FIVE - paanch - paha/pancha
SIX - chah - haya
SEVEN - saat - hata/saptha
EIGHT - aaT - aTa/ashta
NINE - nau - namaya
TEN - daas - dahaya/dasha"

Source: lankaweb

If we look at most of Sinhalese first names, it can be clearly said that they are sanskrtized. Here I used the names of the popular people in India with Sinhalese names.

Indian - Sinhala

Mahendra - Mahinda
Anushka - Anushka
Suraj - Suraaj
Kapil - Kapila
Rohit - Rohitha
Kumar - Kumara
Varun - Varuna
Amar - Amara
Anil, Sunil, Suresh, Manoj
Ashok - Ashoka
Sanjay - Sanjaya
Geetha, Deepa, Gayatri, Malini, Kanchana, Kalpana, Sapna, Kumari, Kaushalya, Kavya, Mallika, Priyanka, Renuka, etc

Sinhala words of Tamil origin

Sorry, I don't know any Tamil apart from the alphabet.

 

[manlion]

@INDIC, @abjktu
I know that you are not familiarized with Sinhala as much as we are with Hindi. Although Sinhala is in Indo-Aryan family, you can't expect that much of similarity due to the separation from others..

I wholehearted agree with you on
1) Sinhala is an Indo European, Aryan language derived from Pali/Sanskrit- close to Hindi
2) Sinhalas - are of the North Indian Aryan stock
3) Sinhala Buddhism - is Indian Aryan 'Dharmic" religion , though obsolete in India

based on the above India should annex Lanka

 

[abjktu]

Tamil wasn't used in formation of Sinhalese language. The core structure of Sinhalese is Sanskrit. We have only burrowed words from Tamil. Sinhalese and Tamil is like English and French.

Also on words we have only Tamil words in our speaking language. Our written language is still Sanskrit based. That explains many things.



Only in those times Tamils became prominent. That is why we have our Tamil influence in the language. Tamil mainly influenced our day to day language that means the core of the Sinhalese culture wasn't impacted by it. If so our written language should also have being changed. We see this in English with it's heavy Latin and French influence in written words.



To get proper decisions in current day politics we need to refer to the history. We cannot neglect history just because the demography is changed. Also remembering our past doesn't make any one unfairly treated. It is only the people who believes that there was Tamil eelam that get hurt when mentioned the history.



It is not because of the words that Sinhalese is categorized under Indo-Aryan language family.



That is why I say Tamils of Northern SL are recent migrants rather than natives. If anyone lived in a separate location independently for so many years, they should have created there own culture and language.



There were no historic record of any kingdom from India waging wars with Northern Tamils. Not even King Asoka was bothered about them. Every one waged war with Sinhalese. That also explains why there was no Tamil eelam in northern Sri Lanka.




Show me one.




Wrong statement.

yeah...reg-vellalas...
They may be immigrants,but i don't think that they were recently arrived...
Srilankan Tamil dialect is one of the purest form of Tamil,especially jaffna&batticaloa dialect..one of the archaic form of Tamil...it shows high variations from the dialects of Tamilnadu...

 

[HeinzG]

yeah...reg-vellalas...
They may be immigrants,but i don't think that they were recently arrived...
Srilankan Tamil dialect is one of the purest form of Tamil,especially jaffna&batticaloa dialect..one of the archaic form of Tamil...it shows high variations from the dialects of Tamilnadu...

No more than 500 years max mate.

Beside how you define the purity of SL Tamil dialect and TN Tamil dialect?

Beside I'm pretty much sure if Tamils were living in SL for more than 1000 years they must have impure their language. That is how normal languages behave.

and your point is ? Pre Dravidian = tribals, , humans evolve , if balangoda is your ancestor you should be speaking his language and worshipping his gods ,so culturally or physically (except for the veddas) there's nothing for you to claim balangoda ancestry when your ancestor should be from the lion. Even the name of your country is from Sanskrit , there's nothing to call your own

My point is that pre Dravidians were not Tamils or Dravidians.

Why should we speak and worship like Balangoda man? We have evolved. BTW Veddas until the mid 1900s were pretty much like the Balangoda man that is because there didn't evolve with the time.

Also few Gujaraties doesn't make us Indians. If you do not know about Sinhalese why not start with our Wapi culture i.e. the lake based life style.

there is evidence that sub-continental coastal line submerged by the ocean, if you are unaware of the fact - its not my fault

You can't lie to geography.

Sinhala words of Tamil origin

English has many French words too.

 

[abjktu]

No more than 500 years max mate.

Beside how you define the purity of SL Tamil dialect and TN Tamil dialect?

may be..
Srilankan Tamil dialect preserved many ancient dravidan working,that was not in used in the dialects of Tamilnadu(Sanskritization is not much affected in the eezham Tamil dialects)..and also the nasal accent and way of pronunciation is completely different in the srilankan Tamil...

Sorry..ancient dravida words...

 

[DarkSeid]

I wholehearted agree with you on
1) Sinhala is an Indo European, Aryan language derived from Pali/Sanskrit- close to Hindi
2) Sinhalas - are of the North Indian Aryan stock
3) Sinhala Buddhism - is Indian Aryan 'Dharmic" religion , though obsolete in India

based on the above India should annex Lanka

When did I mention about race and religion here? It's only the language and not so close to Hindi.

 

[HeinzG]

may be..
Srilankan Tamil dialect preserved many ancient dravidan working,that was not in used in the dialects of Tamilnadu(Sanskritization is not much affected in the eezham Tamil dialects)..and also the nasal accent and way of pronunciation is completely different in the srilankan Tamil...

Sorry..ancient dravida words...

You can't say SL Tamil dialect wasn't affected by Sanskritization. I mean those Tamils if they lived for 1000 years in Jaffna was just a stone throw away from major Sanskrit based Language Sinhala. They should have been much more sanskritized than TN Tamil dialect. Unless other wise Jaffna Tamils lived in total isolation which is not the case.