Talibans are not Pakistan's friend : Gen Tariq Khan

[TNT]

If they are not Pakistan friends then why have you guys been sheltering them and their families? Why have u guys been giving them weapons? Some of these generals need to be hanged upside down as well.
Some morons here try to equate TTP with IEA, if IEA have distanced themselves from TTP then why r we adamant on combining them??? Why are we pushing TTP and IEA together? I think these people have religious and sectarian issues and in their blind hatred, they want Pakistan to think of taliban and TTP as same and deal with it the same way. These racist and sectarian scumbags dont know that this can be damaging for Pakistan. With american and middle Eastern aid almost dried, we need trade connectivity with central asia. We need gas from Turkmenistan and we need access to afghan minerals. We need access to Uzbekistan for raw material for our apparel industry. We need markets for our exports. These scumbags want Pakistan to be isolated, the one neighbor we are trying to improve relations with after a very long time and these imbecils have pain in their a**. BC begging all the world, no shame but suddenly become arrogant if we try and improve relations with Afghanistan. These same ppl are ok to oil themselves and bend to the US.
These people are the real traitors, they want their race and sect to be given importance and the liberals also jump in. They are ok to trade with hindus because they can get cheap daaru but not ok to improve relations with Afghanistan.

 

[Vapnope]

If they are not Pakistan friends then why have you guys been sheltering them and their families? Why have u guys been giving them weapons? Some of these generals need to be hanged upside down as well.
Some morons here try to equate TTP with IEA, if IEA have distanced themselves from TTP then why r we adamant on combining them??? Why are we pushing TTP and IEA together? I think these people have religious and sectarian issues and in their blind hatred, they want Pakistan to think of taliban and TTP as same and deal with it the same way. These racist and sectarian scumbags dont know that this can be damaging for Pakistan. With american and middle Eastern aid almost dried, we need trade connectivity with central asia. We need gas from Turkmenistan and we need access to afghan minerals. We need access to Uzbekistan for raw material for our apparel industry. We need markets for our exports. These scumbags want Pakistan to be isolated, the one neighbor we are trying to improve relations with after a very long time and these imbecils have pain in their a**. BC begging all the world, no shame but suddenly become arrogant if we try and improve relations with Afghanistan. These same ppl are ok to oil themselves and bend to the US.
These people are the real traitors, they want their race and sect to be given importance and the liberals also jump in. They are ok to trade with hindus because they can get cheap daaru but not ok to improve relations with Afghanistan.

So this guy who took the war to TTP is a traitor but you taking sides with Taliban are a patriot?

We are trying to improve our relations with Afghanistan from 1947 and i can write a thesis on how every time Pakistan was backstabbed by Afghans be it talibans, communists or Northern alliance people.

Anyone who doesn't want to acknowledge and accept the geographical boundaries of Pakistan is an enemy of the state as per the very constitution you and me follow.

 

[jamahir]

IEA has zero fuks to do with TTP that is entirely on us.

And what is Islamic about the "Islamic" Emirate of Afghanistan ?

 

[JawadKKhan]

our policy agianst terror sometime confused me that i start feeling GHQ and GOP are with terrorists or with people of paksitan .

When almost every Afghan thinks Pakistan as source of its problems and when there are no friends in that country then we had to back Islamists over Nationalists.. As afghan nationalists have requested in past even to Soviets for invading pakistan. They requested same to India. The Islamists looked less hostile to us in that regard. Plus the policy was to support PRO-pakistan elements in that group. We actually didn't have any other choice.

We cannot SEAL the border as its Not possible. There is no technology / resources available to us that we can Seal 2700 KM long border.

The norther alliance quit really quick, I think it would have been more beneficial for Pakistan's point of view if they had remained stronghold in Panjshir or any other areas. This way, IEA would have remained busy with them instead poking around.

 

[jamahir]

As afghan nationalists have requested in past even to Soviets for invading pakistan. They requested same to India. The Islamists looked less hostile to us in that regard.

On the contrary if Zia ul Haq's government was in danger or was actually overthrown by Pakistani Socialists or Communists it would be India which would have tried to get back Zia into power. This would be because the Indian government wasn't going to be Socialist nor would have wanted to have another Socialist or Communist country in the neighborhood ( other than Afghanistan ) because that would have brought more influence of the USSR into the region and would have encouraged the Indian Communists to try to attain governance. I quote from my thread from 2015 whose OP is an article :

Washington: Contradicting perceived proximity to the Soviet Union in the Cold War era, India under the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi had toyed with the idea of supporting anti-Russian civilian groups in Pakistan if the then Zia regime was thrown out by Moscow, a recent declassified CIA document has claimed.

According to CIA documents of the era, which were recently declassified and posted on the CIA website under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which is similar to India's Right to Information Act, Gandhi wanted non-interference from both the United States and the then USSR. "Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi would like both the USSR and the United States to end their involvement in South Asia," noted the 31-page CIA document titled 'The Soviet Presence in Afghanistan: Implications for the Regional Powers and the US'.

While taking note of the historic India-USSR relationship in particular in the defence field, the CIA report of April 1985 noted that India is likely to become increasingly concerned about long-range Soviet intentions in the region and could find itself moving towards confrontation with the Soviets if Pakistan was effectively neutralised.

"New Delhi regards Pakistan as a strategic buffer against the USSR and would oppose Moscow's effort to dominate Pakistan. New Delhi and Moscow would find themselves supporting rival factions within Pakistan," said the report, according to which Moscow had plans to change the regime in Pakistan and extend its influence beyond Afghanistan. In that case, the report said, "The Indians would seek to significantly reduce their dependence on Moscow and reorder their strategic relationship with the USSR, the United States and China if they perceived Soviet ambitions as extending beyond Afghanistan toward the subcontinent."

According to the report, the Soviets tried to heighten India's suspicion about Pakistan's intentions and its security relationship with the US in order to foster Indo-Pakistani tensions and heighten New Delhi’s dependence on Moscow. "In Soviet view, conflict between India and Pakistan would work toward solving Moscow's Afghan problem and would give Moscow opportunities to strengthen its position in South Asia," the report said.

"If (Gen) Zia (Ul Haq) regime were to fall, the Indians might try to prevent Soviet attempt to dominate Pakistan by supporting rival Pakistani political factions, Soviet military moves against an already neutralised Pakistan could even result in military confrontation with India," it added.

Six months later when Gandhi was planning to meet General Zia on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly meeting in New York, the CIA analyzed that the then Indian Prime Minister, despite his strong public views on Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, was unlikely to push him hard on it. "Gandhi is unlikely to push Zia hard about the Pakistani nuclear program, although he probably will at least mention his continuing concern," noted the top secret CIA document dated October 21, 1985.

"For his part, Zia is also likely to propose ideas on ways to improve the bilateral relationship. He may suggest regular high-level diplomatic talks in addition to the formal Joint Commission sessions that focuses on trade, communications and cultural exchanges," the report said. "Zia may also solicit Gandhi's views on whether as the Pakistanis believe the Soviets are becoming serious about a negotiated settlement in Afghanistan," it said.

So India propping up the mullah-supporting Zia would have become truth because the then Indian government's fear was India becoming Communist and most of South Asia also become it.

 

[hussain0216]

If they are not Pakistan friends then why have you guys been sheltering them and their families? Why have u guys been giving them weapons? Some of these generals need to be hanged upside down as well.
Some morons here try to equate TTP with IEA, if IEA have distanced themselves from TTP then why r we adamant on combining them??? Why are we pushing TTP and IEA together? I think these people have religious and sectarian issues and in their blind hatred, they want Pakistan to think of taliban and TTP as same and deal with it the same way. These racist and sectarian scumbags dont know that this can be damaging for Pakistan. With american and middle Eastern aid almost dried, we need trade connectivity with central asia. We need gas from Turkmenistan and we need access to afghan minerals. We need access to Uzbekistan for raw material for our apparel industry. We need markets for our exports. These scumbags want Pakistan to be isolated, the one neighbor we are trying to improve relations with after a very long time and these imbecils have pain in their a**. BC begging all the world, no shame but suddenly become arrogant if we try and improve relations with Afghanistan. These same ppl are ok to oil themselves and bend to the US.
These people are the real traitors, they want their race and sect to be given importance and the liberals also jump in. They are ok to trade with hindus because they can get cheap daaru but not ok to improve relations with Afghanistan.

Hasn't Pakistan tried everything?

Kept millions of namak haram afghani refugees who cause nothing but fassad

Haven't we tried to make peace?

Given amnesties?

Released their members?

How do we fix the untrustworthy afghans?

Tell us what we can do?

 

[JawadKKhan]

Sealing border is not difficult. Less than 50 thousand rangers are guarding entire eastern border of Pakistan and are also deployed for internal security. Western border mountainous ha kuch ziada border guards ki zarorat hogi phir bhi ziada sa ziada 2 lakh. And western border ka ziada dangerous part 1000 km sa bhi kam ha. 2700 km also includes border with gilgit chitral unpopulated areas of Balochistan

LOL. Not at ALL! Sealing border is IMPOSSIBLE. We would have done so already and be over with this problem if it was that easy..

See below text I had written on other thread:

Pakistan would have gladly done it if it was possible. Technically its not possible for Pakistan to SEAL Afghanistan border. The border is 2700 KMs long. Even the fencing is not complete and the fence can be cut off really quickly. TTP has cut & went through fence multiple times. At best it serves to stop the movement for some period of time until infiltrators use cutters to make way.

Just for reference even monitoring 100 KM patch of border becomes a challenge, there's 100s of ways to get pass through, rivers, mountains, valleys, could use cave systems / tunnels.. or just walk through the border. Even USA with trillion dollar industry and world's best technology, satellites, drones could not found a way to Stop infiltration.

 

[Battlion25]

Tell us what we can do?

We already have peace with them and alliance.. let these grown up who understand the regional politics do the job.. Nor get in our way or national interests that would be a starter from your side... Fade into the background and live your peasant life inside Pakistan peacefully.. For I will take charge and responsible for the affairs.............. We have zero miscalculation policy and all-time preparations policy in place.. Meaning we will never give charity to our eastern border elements such as the gangus.. You can sleep safely and continue living your peasant life. We are here rest assured

 

[hussain0216]

We already have peace with them and alliance.. let these grown up who understand the regional politics do the job.. Nor get in our way or national interests that would be a starter from your side

Our strategists have done what they have to

Of course it's in our interests to not get into a needless conflict with the Taliban or anyone when our real enemy is India

But the afghans have been nothing more then a cancerous tumor for the best part of a century, their achievements account for nothing beyond being disaster for themselves and everyone around them, FACT

Its tiresome constantly dealing with those low IQ idiots and their problems when we really have other shit to get on with

So Pakistan strategists will be planning and plotting and won't let any insignificant incident get in the way of the big picture


But everyone has the right to ask how much more of this shit from afghans, when will they evolve from donkeys into humans

 

[El Sidd]

Why does anyone have to be friends? Making friends with your most immediate neighbour is something Chanakya was cautious against nor we can run the risk of neutrality.

Half of the people are also with terrorists.
If you have doubt about that try talking to @Battlion25 & @Titanium100

Less than 1 percent of the population ideologically support any foreign group.

Pakistanis have variety of reasons and argument but most common sentiment remains of supporting an underdog over the established something learned from David's encounter with Goliath. Otherwise racial, sectarian and other prejudices insulates the opinions.

However the humanitarian crisis in Afghanistan should not be for internal political consumption nor ideas of reliving Urban warfare.

 

[Rafi]

In staecraft sir morality doesnt matter the goal to achieve does but that is what bothers me we are not reaching the obejective.

Correct, if the tabs become enough of a nuisance, then we can ally with the northern alliance to get rid of them, we don't owe them shit, we got rid of indian presence in Afghani.

But unlike the Afghani state, no one recognise their emirate, so already weak, so very vulnerable to pressure.

 

[JawadKKhan]

Dangerous part is only few hundred km. Agar koi krna na chahay to alag baat mushkil nhi ha

Brother, tell me WHY on earth even USA with Trillion dollar economy and cutting edge technology had to resort to Iron Wall worth billions of dollars in a desperate bid to stop infiltration.. 2700 Km is way too big.. there are 1000s of entry points.. When you hit the nest of bees, they will come in crashing and do suicide bombings..
Not an easy task..

Only solution is proper use of intelligence. Create chaos on other borders of Afghanistan to shift those MANIACS of IEA away from durand line. At the same time keep backing pro-pakistan elements. We cannot ALLOW all of them to unite against us. We have to be very smart to deal with this.

 

[Battlion25]

But unlike the Afghani state, no one recognise their emirate, so already weak, so very vulnerable to pressure.

I don't understand this missplaced comments you come with all the time.. You can't do jackshxt if the Soviet union and NATO couldn't and the former even collapsed? Stop posting this garbage and short-sighted stuff. Afghanistan is an ally thru and thru you need to come around to the ground reality instead of spamming nonsense.. You have no idea how many empires perish there. I don't understand why you want Pakistan to commit stragetic suicide.. It would be equal to shooting yourself in the head period there would be no upside to it. You are only damaging Pakistan

 

[Rafi]

I don't understand this missplaced comments you come with all the time.. You can't do jackshxt if the Soviet union and NATO couldn't the former even collapsing? Stop posting this garbage and short-sighted stuff. Afghanistan is an ally thru and thru people need to come around to the ground reality instead of spamming nonsense

If they don't behave they are not an ally, in statecraft their are only interests. If they can't control our enemies on their land, like ghani couldn't or wouldn't stop the Indians on their land, they became an enemy.

 

[Meengla]

These people are not our friends and never will be,we just tend to hate Hindus more then them.
so the Taliban won't be allies of Pakistan ever
BUT that's not the point, the point is who can we better deal with to defend and further Pakistani sovereign interests?
The Kabuli regime was openly hostile to Pakistan, so destroying it was totally in our interests
The Taliban are just as hostile but because of Afghanistan's circumstances we have alot more control and ability to force change in our favor

Correct.
And I still think the Taliban are the lesser of the two evils... The only hope is that Afghans would be more and more educated and connected with the world over next many years and eventually things will change; same hope can be said about elements inside Pakistan too (the TLP kinds). Until then, do the best we can to manage and progress... NO ROOM FOR IDEALISM AND NO OTHER CHOICE! (Well, except for someone like Stalin rules over Afghanistan for a few decades).