Taliban refuse to come to table talk after death of their leader

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Holy shit my gaydar is goin haywire... must be the talibunnies on this thread:

 

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it says ceasefire was called on feb 16 and operation was launched on april 26...
i don't believe there wasn't any drone strike in this gap...

now call me a taliban apologist or whatever you want

Well you are certainly acting like one now , since the only " term " for that deal was the implementation of " Talibanic Sharia " in the region , which was being complied with . There was no reason for the terrorists to kill our army soldiers and capture more areas if their demand was fulfilled . Read about the Nizam-e-Adl regulation too . So , instead of reading the whole thing , you check the dates simply and mix it up with some drone strikes theory created just now by your mind which has no basis in " facts " . Isn't it what you are doing ?

 

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Drones never operated in swat..but drone never stopped operating in tribal areas...taliban are widely spread entities over the whole tribal belt...

don't miss up...this war killed your friends...not solely talibans...ever go in tribal areas and see the bloody collateral damage caused by this war...

Drones weren't the cause of SWAT breakdown, people revolted and called for Pak Army and they ran and ran, threw their arms and ran. Only to come and place bombs in streets and markets, yeah that's jihad. kill 100 civilians for one army personnel. Bright logic.

Drones have killed 2700 civilians until now, how many have the TTP? 40000 and counting, real great Jihad. Aegi teri bari aik din, i know that.

Drones target these terrorists, terrorists target civilians. I'd support a million drones on these turdbags.

I'm off i cant bother with your non-sensical baseless drone drone tape.

 

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Taliban Accepts Pakistan Cease-Fire
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/world/asia/25pstan.html?_r=0

The cease-fire was announced by the spokesman for Maulana Fazlullah, a hard-line cleric in Swat, who has led a terrorism campaign against civilians, including the burning of girls’ schools and public executions.

The spokesman, Muslim Khan, told reporters that the cease-fire would be for an “indefinite period.” The well-armed Taliban have gained control of about 70 percent of the Swat Valley, 100 miles north of the capital, Islamabad, by using brutal guerrilla tactics against an army unaccustomed to insurgency warfare.

There was considerable skepticism about the durability of the cease-fire. There was no word from the government or the militants on whether there was a specific agreement that dealt with the top demands of the militants, including the introduction of Islamic courts and amnesty for their fighters.

The national government has said it agrees to the introduction of Islamic courts, but will not sign off on putting them into effect until there is peace in Swat.

On Monday, Mualana Sufi Mohammed, who is the father-in-law of Mr. Fazlullah, and with whom the government initially arranged a cease-fire a week ago, said that Islamic law was now in practice in Swat.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/22/AR2009042200863.html

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, April 23 -- Taliban forces consolidated control of two northwestern Pakistan districts and sent patrols into a third Thursday, stepping up their defiance of a government peace deal and raising fears of further advances by violent Islamists who are now within 60 miles of this capital city.

"The Pakistani government is fiddling as the Northwest Frontier Province burns," Pakistani representatives of the human rights group Amnesty International said Thursday in a statement. The organization said that hundreds of thousands of Pakistani civilians are "now at the mercy of abusive and repressive Taliban groups" and that the government has given no indication of how it intends to protect them.

The Taliban sent mixed signals as their fighters advanced from Swat into the neighboring Buner and Shangla districts. They ambushed a convoy of frontier police sent to protect government buildings in Buner, but they also extended a deadline for all nonreligious judges to leave Swat and said they had entered the other areas "only to preach."

Provincial leaders continued to express support for the peace agreement, which they sponsored in a desperate effort to bring peace to the Swat Valley after months of brutal intimidation. Several suggested that if the agreement fails, it will provide the domestic political cover needed for army forces to take on the insurgents with no holds barred. Rumors have circulated this week of a planned army assault in the Swat area.

Meanwhile, with Taliban fighters occupying more and more areas in the northwest and vowing to bring Islamic justice to the region, political and professional leaders have fled. Few officials from the ANP and Zardari's Pakistan People's Party dare visit the constituencies that voted for them in the February 2008 elections. Mohammed Khan, a lawyer from Swat who fled the region last month with his family, recounted how pressure from the insurgents prevented secular candidates from holding rallies or campaigning before the elections. But their two parties swept the polls, while religious ones fared poorly.


Good , if you can understand it and see there's no " eternal drone " mantra as you have been chanting . Otherwise , continue making new conspiracy theories without having knowledge of the thing you are talking about . Does the news mention anything about your revered " drone " ? No . So , why the heck did the terrorist sign it ? Can you accept " facts " without bringing your conspiracy theories and whatever your mind can make up to defend them ?

 

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@Side-Winder
Taliban Accepts Pakistan Cease-Fire
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/world/asia/25pstan.html?_r=0

The cease-fire was announced by the spokesman for Maulana Fazlullah, a hard-line cleric in Swat, who has led a terrorism campaign against civilians, including the burning of girls’ schools and public executions.

The spokesman, Muslim Khan, told reporters that the cease-fire would be for an “indefinite period.” The well-armed Taliban have gained control of about 70 percent of the Swat Valley, 100 miles north of the capital, Islamabad, by using brutal guerrilla tactics against an army unaccustomed to insurgency warfare.

There was considerable skepticism about the durability of the cease-fire. There was no word from the government or the militants on whether there was a specific agreement that dealt with the top demands of the militants, including the introduction of Islamic courts and amnesty for their fighters.

The national government has said it agrees to the introduction of Islamic courts, but will not sign off on putting them into effect until there is peace in Swat.

On Monday, Mualana Sufi Mohammed, who is the father-in-law of Mr. Fazlullah, and with whom the government initially arranged a cease-fire a week ago, said that Islamic law was now in practice in Swat.

Good , if you can understand it and see there's no " eternal drone " mantra as you have been chanting . Otherwise , continue making new conspiracy theories without having knowledge of the thing you are talking about . Does the news mention anything about your revered " drone " ? No . So , why the heck did the terrorist sign it ?

OK what about this??? @Not Sure

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/27/taliban-swat-valley-peace-collapse

A controversial peace deal with the Taliban in Pakistan's Swat valley came under intense pressure today as the army continued its assault on guerrilla hideouts in a nearby district, bringing the reported death toll to nearly 50 after two days of fighting.

Thousands of villagers fled Lower Dir, a strategically located district along the Afghan border, as army helicopter gunships clattered overhead and artillery boomed across the hills.

A spokesman for Sufi Muhammad, a 78-year-old jihadi cleric who helped broker the February peace agreement between the government and the Taliban, announced he was suspending talks until the military offensive was over.

The army claimed to have killed 20 Taliban this morning on top of 26 yesterday. The Taliban claimed to have suffered just two fatalities and accused the army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, of taking American "blood money".

 

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Either read the whole news or do not bother finding new links and twist things up seriously , this is from the link you posted yourself just now . Now read it carefully . Who gave your friend license to capture new areas after their demands were met in Swat ? How did they get into Buner and Lower Dir if it is Swat they were holding at first ?

Western fears about the stability of Pakistan peaked last week when the Taliban rampaged through Buner, a district 60 miles north-west of Islamabad. Although the capital was never in direct danger, western allies saw the proximity of the combat as a marker of the government's weakness in confronting the Taliban.

Under the terms of the February peace accord, the Taliban were supposed to lay down arms in return for the imposition of sharia law in Malakand, a vast area covering one third of North West Frontier province. Instead the militants used Swat as a base to launch into surrounding districts, such as Dir and Buner.

The army counter-offensive came yesterday when hundreds of Frontier Corps paramilitary soldiers, backed by artillery and helicopter gunships, started to sweep through Taliban strongholds in Lower Dir.

 

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Either read the whole news or do not bother finding new links and twist things up seriously , this is from the link you posted yourself just now . Now read it carefully . Who gave your friend license to capture new areas after their demands were met in Swat ? How did they get into Buner and Lower Dir if it is Swat they were holding at first ?

Western fears about the stability of Pakistan peaked last week when the Taliban rampaged through Buner, a district 60 miles north-west of Islamabad. Although the capital was never in direct danger, western allies saw the proximity of the combat as a marker of the government's weakness in confronting the Taliban.

Under the terms of the February peace accord, the Taliban were supposed to lay down arms in return for the imposition of sharia law in Malakand, a vast area covering one third of North West Frontier province. Instead the militants used Swat as a base to launch into surrounding districts, such as Dir and Buner.

The army counter-offensive came yesterday when hundreds of Frontier Corps paramilitary soldiers, backed by artillery and helicopter gunships, started to sweep through Taliban strongholds in Lower Dir.

and they claim otherwise

A spokesman for Sufi Muhammad, a 78-year-old jihadi cleric who helped broker the February peace agreement between the government and the Taliban, announced he was suspending talks until the military offensive was over.

The army claimed to have killed 20 Taliban this morning on top of 26 yesterday. The Taliban claimed to have suffered just two fatalities and accused the army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, of taking American "blood money".

"He has asked money from Mr Obama to kill his own nation," Muslim Khan, a Taliban spokesman, told the Guardian by phone from Swat.

Khan said the Taliban were reserving their position on the peace deal until they received a cue from Sufi Muhammad, who remained incommunicado throughout the day at his house inside the combat zone in Dir.

 

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The offensive came after the terrorist rushed to capture Buner , Shangla and Lower Dir and even then the operation wasn't started in Swat where a deal had been reached and the same people who wanted their " twisted Sharia " didn't honor it by advancing in other areas . You are free to believe whatever you want - the facts wont change .

 

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OK what about this??? @Not Sure

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/27/taliban-swat-valley-peace-collapse

I love the way you lie:

 

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The offensive came after the terrorist rushed to capture Buner , Shangla and Lower Dir . You are free to believe whatever you want - the facts wont change .

yeah i believe military operation can never bring end to this....you may use full power in FATA...that's no problem for them...since USA will be leaving afghanistan and again afghanistan will be a safe place for talibans..


you can't keep check on entire border...

 

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The offensive came after the terrorist rushed to capture Buner , Shangla and Lower Dir and even then the operation wasn't started in Swat where a deal had been reached and the same people who wanted their " twisted Sharia " didn't honor it by advancing in other areas . You are free to believe whatever you want - the facts wont change .

You evil infidel.. u took american DALLAR!

 

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yeah i believe military operation can never bring end to this....you may use full power in FATA...that's no problem for them...since USA will be leaving afghanistan and again afghanistan will be a safe place for talibans..


you can't keep check on entire border...

So , you have diverted to something else and skipped questions again ? Not the first time . The terrorist do not exist today in Swat nor they control anything there - speaks volumes about the success . 

You evil infidel.. u took american DALLAR!

Lets now justify the killing of innocent Pakistanis and Taliban rule , its how its done .

 

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So , you have diverted to something else and skipped questions again ? Not the first time . The terrorist do not exist today in Swat nor they control anything there - speaks volumes about the success . 


Lets now justify the killing of innocent Pakistanis , its how its done .

you edited the post later

The offensive came after the terrorist rushed to capture Buner , Shangla and Lower Dir and even then the operation wasn't started in Swat where a deal had been reached and the same people who wanted their " twisted Sharia " didn't honor it by advancing in other areas

ok let me be honest here and admit that your argument here is strong and 100% valid if talibans indeed broke the ceasefire...but what if that was army (as taliban claim),since USA had criticized us badly for holding peace agreement... yeah @DESERT FIGHTER no wonder....DOLLARS!

but again man! this was the last hope for having peace...but that hope has faded away by drone strike..

and continuing military operation isn't gonna do anything...now you are skipping my point here..

 

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you edited the post later



ok let me be honest here and admit that your argument here is strong and 100% valid if talibans indeed broke the ceasefire...but what if that was army (as taliban claim),since USA had criticized us badly for holding peace agreement... yeah @DESERT FIGHTER no wonder....DOLLARS!

but again man! this was the last hope for having peace...but that hope has faded away by drone strike..

and continuing military operation isn't gonna do anything...now you are skipping my point here..

I was being sarcastic.. tali boy..

 

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I was being sarcastic.. tali boy..

i was serious