Taliban: China is Ready to Invest Billions in Afghanistan

[jamahir]

He is patron in chief of an imaginary communist party SPA of Afghanistan, which only exists on a website and Wikipedia.

Imaginary only in your mind. The below memorial to Farkhunda, the Kabuli woman lynched in 2015 by a mob driven by a mullah, was built by SPA :

And I don't know if the SPA is Communist but it certainly is a progressive movement.

why does it matter? China doesn't give any shits about the political system of the countries they do business with nor is China interested in exporting it's political ideology.

1. China should stop calling itself Communist because it is clearly not.

2. China dealing with criminals is immoral. Many people of Afghanistan reject the Taliban but the governments of certain countries are eager to deal with these criminals.

 

[casual]

1. China should stop calling itself Communist because it is clearly not.

2. China dealing with criminals is immoral. Many people of Afghanistan reject the Taliban but the governments of certain countries are eager to deal with these criminals.

1. China is probably more nationalist then communist at this point. But it's roots were communist and legacy is important. Then there's the problem that there's already a Chinese Nationalist Party...

2. Taliban is the sovereign government now and they get to decide what is criminal in Afghanistan. Considering they overthrown the old government in a matter of weeks, it's pretty safe to assume they have the support of the people.

 

[Globenim]

"How do you ensure the freedom and rights of a group of people in Afghanistan" asks the token mouthpiece of the genocidal terror regime whos warcriminals and hired terrorists have and still terrorize, rape and loot Asian nations including Afghanistan for decades and centuries.

 

[jamahir]

1. China is probably more nationalist then communist at this point.

Well, nationalist for outside and Capitalist for inside.

But it's roots were communist and legacy is important.

The roots may have been but that legacy has been sadly forgotten.

Then there's the problem that there's already a Chinese Nationalist Party...

You mean in Taiwan ?

2. Taliban is the sovereign government now and they get to decide what is criminal in Afghanistan.

1. "Sovereign government" were also the Libyan Jamahiriya system in 2011 and the Syrian government when NATO and GCC and their created transnational mercenaries invaded the countries and those governments initiated regime-change operations there. I didn't see the Chinese government rush to engage with the legitimate Libyan system and the legitimate Syrian system of Bashar al Assad. So why China side with the Taliban ?

2. How can a criminal decide what is criminal or not ? We are all seeing what have the Taliban been doing since they took over.

Considering they overthrown the old government in a matter of weeks, it's pretty safe to assume they have the support of the people.

Yes there are some Afghans who support the Taliban because of solidarity in regressive and oppressive thought but many Afghans are just scared of the Taliban. And if the Taliban had support then why did the previous Afghan National Army even need to fight the Taliban ? The ANA was not composed of Russians or Egyptians but of Afghans and they opposed the Taliban. There are progressive Afghan groups like the Solidarity Party of Afghanistan who not only opposed the previous government, calling it composed of warlords, regressives and Western-style so-called democracy champions, but the SPA also opposes the Taliban. It would be undemocratic and immoral to not care about these progressive groups. Also, so many Afghans, including women, have self-exiled from the country since the takeover. And those Afghans who were already elsewhere, like in India, they don't really want to return to the "glorious" "Islamic" Emirate.

 

[retaxis]

How can a criminal decide what is criminal or not ? We are all seeing what have the Taliban been doing since they took over.

All i can see is low IQ Indian can't deal with reality on the ground

 

[jamahir]

All i can see is low IQ Indian can't deal with reality on the ground

And from point# 1 above all I say make out is patriotic Syrians fighting the NATO+GCC imposed criminals who are of the same type as the Taliban and the Taliban being imposed by Western governments upon the miserable Afghans. But you a high-IQ non-Indian cannot see this. Congrats.

 

[MH.Yang]

1. China should stop calling itself Communist because it is clearly not.

We haven't asked you Communist Party of India not to use the name of Mao Zedong at will. You actually asked us not to use the name of the Communist Party!
Mao Zedong is the leader of our CCP, you bastards!
You steal the name of our leader and want to slander our Communist values. You should use modi as a spiritual leader.

1. "Sovereign government" were also the Libyan Jamahiriya system in 2011 and the Syrian government when NATO and GCC and their created transnational mercenaries invaded the countries and those govts initiated regime-change operations there. I didn't see the Chinese government rush to engage with the legitimate Libyan system and the legitimate Syrian system of Bashar al Assad. So why China side with the Taliban ?

China has always firmly supported Syria's legitimate Assad govt. On July 19, 2012 and may 22, 2014, China used its veto power twice in the UN to block the proposal of Western intervention in Syria.

China does not recognize the Libyan Gaddafi govt. After the Gaddafi govt chose Taiwan on May 10, 2006, the Chinese govt had nothing to do with the Gaddafi govt.

 

[jamahir]

We haven't asked you Communist Party of India not to use the name of Mao Zedong at will. You actually asked us not to use the name of the Communist Party!
Mao Zedong is the leader of our CCP, you bastards!
You steal the name of our leader and want to slander our Communist values.

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1. Some Indian Communists do use Mao's imagery and as inspiration like the CPI-Maoist ( the Naxal guerrillas ) but that is for historic reasoning. I don't think these people would like India to emulate the current China and use the imagery of Xi Jinping or use that vague, excuse phrase "Socialism with Chinese characteristics".

2. About "Slandering your Communist values", well, you should convey your thoughts to your oppressed workers, to those who commit suicide because of losing money in the stock market and to those in the lower economic classes who yearn to become middle class one day.

You should use modi as a spiritual leader.

Why would I a left-winger use him ?

China has always firmly supported Syria's legitimate Assad govt. On July 19, 2012 and may 22, 2014, China used its veto power twice in the UN to block the proposal of Western intervention in Syria.

Yet no boots on the ground like Russia has done ?

China does not recognize the Libyan Gaddafi govt. After the Gaddafi govt chose Taiwan on May 10, 2006, the Chinese govt had nothing to do with the Gaddafi govt.

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We had a discussion about this.

 

[MH.Yang]

1. Some Indian Communists do use Mao's imagery and as inspiration like the CPI-Maoist ( the Naxal guerrillas ) but that is for historic reasoning. I don't think these people would like India to emulate the current China and use the imagery of Xi Jinping or use that vague, excuse phrase "Socialism with Chinese characteristics".

2. About "Slandering your Communist values", well, you should convey your thoughts to your oppressed workers, to those who commit suicide because of losing money in the stock market and to those in the lower economic classes who yearn to become middle class one day.



Why would I a left-winger use him ?



Yet no boots on the ground like Russia has done ?

China is a socialist country and is in the primary stage of socialism. We recognize that China is not a communist country, but we still believe in communism. We are still looking for the road to communism in the future. The Communist nature of the CCP does not allow anyone to question it.

China's principle is non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries. In addition to preventing UN troops from appearing in Syria, what else does the Syrian Assad government want from China? We have not cut off the supply of materials to Syria, which has been a great support. If China and the West sanction Syria together, do you think Assad can support it until now?

 

[jamahir]

China is a socialist country and is in the primary stage of socialism. We recognize that China is not a communist country, but we still believe in communism. We are still looking for the road to communism in the future. The Communist nature of the CCP does not allow anyone to question it.

Is still in the primary stage of Socialism for 72 years ? Hard to believe. So China will become Communist by 2100 ?

OTOH Libya presented a new Communist political system, within a Socialist socio-economic system, within a few years of revolution. In this thread, among other things, I describe how Libya's political system worked.

China's principle is non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries.

How is China not interfering in the internal affairs of Afghanistan ? It is clearly going against the wishes of many Afghans by dealing with the Taliban.

In addition to preventing UN troops from appearing in Syria, what else does the Syrian Assad government want from China?

I do not of course speak for the Syrian government but I wouldn't be wrong in saying that Syria will be happy with Chinese boots on the ground against the tens of thousands of the Western-government created, armed, financed and politically-supported transnational criminals rampaging through the country.

We have not cut off the supply of materials to Syria, which has been a great support.

What materials ?

If China and the West sanction Syria together, do you think Assad can support it until now?

Why should China sanction Syria in manner of the Western governments ?

 

[MH.Yang]

Is still in the primary stage of Socialism for 72 years ? Hard to believe. So China will become Communist by 2100 ?

OTOH Libya presented a new Communist political system, within a Socialist socio-economic system, within a few years of revolution. In this thread, among other things, I describe how Libya's political system worked.



How is China not interfering in the internal affairs of Afghanistan ? It is clearly going against the wishes of many Afghans by dealing with the Taliban.



I do not of course speak for the Syrian government but I wouldn't be wrong in saying that Syria will be happy with Chinese boots on the ground against the tens of thousands of the Western-government created, armed, financed and politically-supported transnational criminals rampaging through the country.



What materials ?



Why should China sanction Syria in manner of the Western governments ?

The Chinese believe that communism can succeed only in a society with strong productive forces, abundant means of production and high education.
The will of the Afghan people is not up to you. The Taliban can survive 20 years under the suppression of the USA and win the final victory. This has illustrated the choice of the Afghan people.
China did not participate in the sanctions against Syria. If China stops the supply of food, clothing and other materials to Syria, the Syrian Assad govt will not be able to persist until now.

 

[925boy]

China does not export ideology.

you sure China doesnt export business ideology? CPEC, OBOR, etc, they're all ideological too, just financial focused imo.

 

[EternalMortal]

Will never understand why jamahir thinks afghans are a bunch of progressives who're just scared of the taliban. buddy, you need to come out of denial & accept the fact that most afghans are conservative & would prefer taliban over your spa any day.

 

[jamahir]

The Chinese believe that communism can succeed only in a society with strong productive forces, abundant means of production and high education.

And has China achieved that ?

The will of the Afghan people is not up to you.

Well, you should convey that to this Afghan female news anchor who had famously interviewed a Talib but then left the country. In another vid she talked on beach somewhere in Europe and this particular country had other Afghan refugees too.

The Taliban can survive 20 years under the suppression of the USA and win the final victory.

I have spoken of that before on the forum and this post is from just yesterday in short.

China did not participate in the sanctions against Syria. If China stops the supply of food, clothing and other materials to Syria, the Syrian Assad govt will not be able to persist until now.

And are these items for free ? Where can I find more info on this ?

Will never understand why jamahir thinks afghans are a bunch of progressives who're just scared of the taliban. buddy, you need to come out of denial & accept the fact that most afghans are conservative & would prefer taliban over your spa any day.

1. I agree that many Afghans are conservative in the sense that they conserve non-Islamic elements like bachabazi and that also makes them not oppose the Taliban and participate in the Taliban's "justice" dispersals in stadiums and grounds especially against women and the Taliban forcibly wedding females and these Afghans would rather do and support these than discuss, agitate and work towards doing progressive things like building high-quality neighborhoods for the four million homeless Afghans, enabling rights for the females and building a progressive country from where say another Afghan will be able to go to space like Abdul Ahad Momand did in 1988. But there are also many Afghans who dislike the Taliban. This is a vid of a tweet of the cricketer Rashid Khan who criticized the Taliban's taking over of the country's districts before the 15th August takeover of Kabul. I watched opinions of Afghan emigres in India - male and female - who were concerned for the status of their friends and family and their country after the takeover. It seems some Pakistanis and many Indian Muslims are more supportive of the Taliban takeover than the Afghans themselves. About the Afghan National Army a Pakistani member said in another thread that it was asked by USA and Iran to not resist the Taliban. I will also add that its soldiers were demoralized because of the untruthful perception of the Taliban being soldiers / forwarders of Islam.

2. I will ask you to tag me the next time you want to refer to me or mention me because I won't be able to know.

 

[EternalMortal]

And has China achieved that ?



Well, you should convey that to this Afghan female news anchor who had famously interviewed a Talib but then left the country. In another vid she talked on beach somewhere in Europe and this particular country had other Afghan refugees too.



I have spoken of that before on the forum and this post is from just yesterday in short.



And are these items for free ? Where can I find more info on this ?



1. I agree that many Afghans are conservative in the sense that they conserve non-Islamic elements like bachabazi and that also makes them not oppose the Taliban and participate in the Taliban's "justice" dispersals in stadiums and grounds especially against women and the Taliban forcibly wedding females and these Afghans would rather do and support these than discuss, agitate and work towards doing progressive things like building high-quality neighborhoods for the four million homeless Afghans, enabling rights for the females and building a progressive country from where say another Afghan will be able to go to space like Abdul Ahad Momand did in 1988. But there are also many Afghans who dislike the Taliban. This is a vid of a tweet of the cricketer Rashid Khan who criticized the Taliban's taking over of the country's districts before the 15th August takeover of Kabul. I watched opinions of Afghan emigres in India - male and female - who were concerned for the status of their friends and family and their country after the takeover. It seems some Pakistanis and many Indian Muslims are more supportive of the Taliban takeover than the Afghans themselves. About the Afghan National Army a Pakistani member said in another thread that it was asked by USA and Iran to not resist the Taliban. I will also add that its soldiers were demoralized because of the untruthful perception of the Taliban being soldiers / forwarders of Islam.

2. I will ask you to tag me the next time you want to refer to me or mention me because I won't be able to know.

1. Yes, there are obviously those who don't like the taliban but you paint a picture of most afghans being against taliban which is not true. It's obvious you take opinions of a some anti-taliban afghans as an indication of what most afghans think. Are taliban supporters a majority? It's difficult to say but they're not some fringe group like ISIS or TTP. You must accept the fact that most either support taliban or don't care either way. Accept the fact that even for those who don't care, the social ideals of your SPA is not what they want. Isn't democracy all about the will of the ppl? Well then accept their will & look for avenues of cooperation.

2. sure