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The beauty of our polity USED TO BE that we could express different and opposing opinions, all over a cup of warm and mutually supportive tea. That is no longer possible. We all know who and why this has happened.
Nope, we still can express different and opposing opinions. You are speaking as if India has suddenly become dictatorial. The recent Karnataka elections prove that. If BJP hadn't come to power, our people wouldn't have become let's say 'educated' about a few things.
 
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Nobody ever had absolute power. Only the present bunch of hoodlums and bigots is trying to achieve it.
Congress till now has had the highest number of MPs percentage wise in Parliament in 1984 where 76.52% MPs were from Congress. In comparison, BJP's highest number is 55.80%. In fact, Congress has crossed that 55.80% highest mark of BJP 6 times(1951-52, 1957, 1962, 1971, 1980, 1984). So I would say, Congress has tried to achieve absolute power rather than the so called present bunch of 'hoodlums'. And I don't blame them since any party would want to achieve absolute power.
 
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Congress till now has had the highest number of MPs percentage wise in Parliament in 1984 where 76.52% MPs were from Congress. In comparison, BJP's highest number is 55.80%. In fact, Congress has crossed that 55.80% highest mark of BJP 6 times(1951-52, 1957, 1962, 1971, 1980, 1984). So I would say, Congress has tried to achieve absolute power rather than the so called present bunch of 'hoodlums'. And I don't blame them since any party would want to achieve absolute power.
We obviously have vastly differing definitions of 'absolute power'. An electoral majority never, ever yields absolute power.

Even the term absolute power is a quotation, and refers to a dark period of our history.
 
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We obviously have vastly differing definitions of 'absolute power'. An electoral majority never, ever yields absolute power.
Aren't we in a democracy? Or are you saying that's a farce?

You have no qualms with Congress completely dominating the Lok Sabha with so many seats but you are losing your mind because BJP just about managed to get 55% majority in Lok Sabha.
Yes, Congress won the recent Karnataka state election since BJP is still in the process of covering lost ground since Independence. But everyone knows who the voters prefer at the Centre. BJP will eventually build strong grassroots at the State level as well. They have already gained ground in Maharashtra and other states by grooming good State leaders.
 
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Aren't we in a democracy? Or are you saying that's a farce?
We are in a democracy.

What has that got to do with my post? There is no connection.

You have no qualms with Congress completely dominating the Lok Sabha with so many seats but you are losing your mind because BJP just about managed to get 55% majority in Lok Sabha.
The Congress, a party that I do not support, never ever tried to grind the minority Muslim population into the ground, as the present government, and political party in power, and associated cluster of associated organisations is trying to do. It is not the number of seats, but the gross misuse of an electoral majority that is in question.

What the BJP represents is the creative destruction of India as a country.

Yes, Congress won the recent Karnataka state election since BJP is still in the process of covering lost ground since Independence.
That implies that the BJP had a greater amount of influence before independence, lost it, and is now recovering it. It is difficult to deal with such arrant falsehoods, as it completely wipes out the negative, pro-British role of the Sangh Parivar, and its rejection of the Indian state, down to the extent of refusing allegiance to the national flag until recently.

The BJP, formerly the Jana Sangh, and its associate, the Hindu Mahasabha, are among the most regressive organisations in India today, or yesterday. The question of its covering lost ground is just a verbal deception, intended to conceal its total bankruptcy of ideas or of morals.
 
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But everyone knows who the voters prefer at the Centre.
Was it you who mentioned that we are a democracy? Do you remember that a democracy involves people voting in an election, and not a method of gaining or losing power through the strength of 'everybody knows'.

What was 'everyone's' opinion about the Karnataka elections? When last heard, Shobha Karandlaje was predicting 120 seats. I take it that she is not the 'everyone' who is in constant communion with you.

BJP will eventually build strong grassroots at the State level as well.
How?

By buying up elected members, as they have done everywhere else? Including Maharashtra, that you pointed to, with such innocent, prattling pride?

They have already gained ground in Maharashtra and other states by grooming good State leaders.
Yes, leaders who deny decades old Hindu-Muslim religious coexistence, and create a murderous frenzy out of nothing. You must be proud of them.
 
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You are speaking as if India has suddenly become dictatorial.
India has become dictatorial. Central agencies for enforcement of financial rules are routinely used for intimidation of journalists, activists, and anyone and everyone opposed to the politics and to the policies of the BJP and the Sangh Parivar.

People are detained for three years without a chargesheet being filed; in the most BJP friendly state, people are killed in public with the obvious collaboration of the local police.

What would YOU define as a dictatorship, since shooting people in public doesn't qualify, since holding people in prison without charges doesn't apply, since hounding the opposition using the Enforcement Director, the CBI, the NIA, even the NCB, doesn't apply, since rushing to promulgate an ordinance to flout a Supreme Court judgement does not apply........
 
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We are in a democracy.
India has become dictatorial.
Please decide what you want to exactly say.
What has that got to do with my post? There is no connection.
You are claiming that a political party is on the verge of getting absolute power despite us being in a democracy. However, at the same time, you are completely blind to Congress's excesses.
The Congress, a party that I do not support, never ever tried to grind the minority Muslim population into the ground, as the present government, and political party in power, and associated cluster of associated organisations is trying to do. It is not the number of seats, but the gross misuse of an electoral majority that is in question.
Let me rephrase:

The BJP, never ever tried to grind the majority Hindu population into the ground, as the previous Congress governments, and political parties in power, and associated cluster of associated organisations were trying to do. It is not the number of seats, but the gross misuse of an electoral minority that is in question.
What the BJP represents is the creative destruction of India as a country.
Wrong. The BJP is awakening the masses, be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian, etc to make them more nationalist.
That implies that the BJP had a greater amount of influence before independence, lost it, and is now recovering it. It is difficult to deal with such arrant falsehoods, as it completely wipes out the negative, pro-British role of the Sangh Parivar, and its rejection of the Indian state, down to the extent of refusing allegiance to the national flag until recently.
The Sangh Parivar had objection with the color of the flag, not with the State per se. I'm sure we can have differing opinions in a democracy. But on my end, I don't support the Sangh Parivar's past decision on the national flag.
That implies that the BJP had a greater amount of influence before independence
Nope, it was the Congress all along.
The BJP, formerly the Jana Sangh, and its associate, the Hindu Mahasabha, are among the most regressive organisations in India today, or yesterday. The question of its covering lost ground is just a verbal deception, intended to conceal its total bankruptcy of ideas or of morals.
Depends on how you look at it. You have decided to completely brush them with one color, I can't do anything with that. You can't ignore the social work they have done and the help they have given to people, be it blood donation drives, planting trees among other things.
Was it you who mentioned that we are a democracy? Do you remember that a democracy involves people voting in an election, and not a method of gaining or losing power through the strength of 'everybody knows'.
How does that negate what I have said. It's through democracy that people have chosen BJP at the centre and that's why 'everybody knows'.
What was 'everyone's' opinion about the Karnataka elections? When last heard, Shobha Karandlaje was predicting 120 seats. I take it that she is not the 'everyone' who is in constant communion with you.
I already mentioned that BJP isn't as strong at the Vidhan Sabha elections as it is at the Lok Sabha. There's still work to be done. And I don't even know who Shobha Karandlaje is.
How?

By buying up elected members, as they have done everywhere else? Including Maharashtra, that you pointed to, with such innocent, prattling pride?
All political parties do that.
Yes, leaders who deny decades old Hindu-Muslim religious coexistence, and create a murderous frenzy out of nothing. You must be proud of them.
The BJP respects the Indian Muslims, they are after all Indians, but not at the cost of the Hindus bending down to them in the name of secularism.
Central agencies for enforcement of financial rules are routinely used for intimidation of journalists, activists, and anyone and everyone opposed to the politics and to the policies of the BJP and the Sangh Parivar.

People are detained for three years without a chargesheet being filed; in the most BJP friendly state, people are killed in public with the obvious collaboration of the local police.

What would YOU define as a dictatorship, since shooting people in public doesn't qualify, since holding people in prison without charges doesn't apply, since hounding the opposition using the Enforcement Director, the CBI, the NIA, even the NCB, doesn't apply, since rushing to promulgate an ordinance to flout a Supreme Court judgement does not apply........
I'm sure even the Congress did this at some point in their tenure. Who can forget the Emergency? Regardless, I'm hoping the BJP brings about development to India ignoring the Opposition's racketeering of India suddenly becoming fascist, dictatorial, etc. That's fine, that's what the Opposition does. It's only thanks to the BJP that people have understood the amount of whitewashing that Congress has done in the name of secularism and minority appeasement. People of the older generation still support Congress but people of my generation are more pro-BJP. And that's what the future is unless the BJP messes up.

in the most BJP friendly state, people are killed in public with the obvious collaboration of the local police.
I don't support this. But these things have been happening for ever and correlating it with BJP is stupid. If you are really worried, first see what Mamata Banerjee is doing to West Bengal where TMC's political goons murder people from other parties.

I rest my case, it's my last argument on this.
 
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New member here so forgive my ignorance but... how come this forum allows Indian characters to lurk around relatively freely?

Nothing against Indians, per se, but most of them do nothing but troll people and/or try to peddle their BJP agenda. Like we, or at least I, give a rat's arse about their so called "world's largest democracy."

I know they're obsessed with us and are found on literally every single Pakistani forum (perks of giving cheap internet to billions of people, I guess) but... I don't think they've a place in a sub called Defense.pk.

After all, I wouldn't even dream of trolling people at Defense.in or whatever the heck it's supposed to be called... not unless I've no regard to my mental wellbeing.

Now, here's where things get a little crazy:

Honestly, I sometimes wonder if it's something to do with India's poor sex ratio? After all, there are 111 males per 100 females and if you do the math, that means there are roughly 166,500,000 males in India who'll never get married, period!

To put things into perspective, our most populated province (Punjab) has a total population of 120,007,936. Kind of crazy!

I don't know about you, but to me it sounds like there are a lot of angry, frustrated Indian men looking to vent out. And what better place to vent out than the internet?

And what better target than Muslims in general and Pakistanis in particular?!

Think about it, eh?

Your post has depicted you, your thought process, and your personality quite nicely...
 
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Aren't we in a democracy? Or are you saying that's a farce?

It's a farce. The Indian political system is an illusion of democracy because it derives from the Anglo political system where :

1. The parties, the priests, the generals and the moneyed hold power, not you the citizen. You cannot go to the House of Lords and the funnily named House of Commons and ask for 15 minutes to describe the problems of society and how you have the ideas to correct them. You will be thrown out. Likewise in the Indian replication of those Houses - the Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha. LOL, you are the Lok ( the people ) but you will be chucked out of the Lok Sabha if not arrested.

2. If a party wins by 51 percent votes and you had voted for the losing side what happens to your opinion about what should become of the country ? Are you allowed your say in the daily running affairs of your neighborhood, much less the country ? Forty nine percent of the country's population will have no say, until the next election five years away when your candidate will get a chance and even then there's no guarantee that he or she will win. But even if your candidate gets 51 percent and wins the election there is no chance that you, an individual citizen, will have any effect on the day-to-day affairs of the country. You are nothing, the party and the prime minister or president are everything. If you think that the government should build free high-quality homes for the homeless but the government doesn't think so there is no way you can convince the government to build those free homes for the homeless instead of building temples, statues and spending on war mongering. You may have been in the winning 51 percent but you have no real say. You were just a willing naive means for the party to say "Masjid yaheen bahaayengay". The masjid will come - a grand house to God but some humans half-a-kilometer away will have no house but the footpath or at most a large pipe by the road. Everyone will visit the grand House of God uncaringly passing by this man by the roadside with no money for food or clothes :
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So for who is the Indian political system for : The human citizen or for God or for the General or for the rich person ?

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Wrong. The BJP is awakening the masses, be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian, etc to make them more nationalist.

No one should be nationalist. Bhagat Singh said that we should feel part of humanity and humanity's problems and issues anywhere instead of waging war against other people and in the spare time oppressing many in the macro type of family called the Nation. Nationalism is unnatural because the Nation State is as unnnatural as money.
 
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