T-80 and T-84 Main Battle Tanks Information pool

[Cookie Monster]

I might not be the right person to reply, but one if the reasons behind the mi 35 deal is disapproval of india of induction more mi35s and mi28s and instead going for apaches, hence actuly adding mi35 in pak inventory made sense from both pak and russian point of view.

It is a stupid reasoning. The buyer doesn't have much sway over the seller. Are India and China friends? Not at all...Does Russia sell to both India and China? Yes it does. The seller can sell to whomever it pleases. The reason most Russian defence equipment didn't find its way into Pak forces has more to do with the relationship Pak/Russia(USSR previously) have had. The relationship has just begun improving not too long ago. Also there's multiple other factors to consider like setting up a whole new infrastructure for maintenance and support, etc. since Pak has never operated Russian equipment. Usually buyers try to stick with the equipment they have already operated since it makes all the logistics of it much simpler and less costly not to mention the familiarity of trained personnel with the said equipment. For example it would be much easier for Pak to go for AH1Z as an upgrade to its cobras as compared to other similar helicopters from Russia. Another possible reason is that enemies try not to use the same equipment...India might consider not using F16s bcuz of Pak's years of experience with it and knowing it quite well could make it easier to counter.

In short all sellers only care about is selling...they can care less about the personal problems of the buyer. US has sold defence equipment to Israel and Arab nations, Russia sells to both India and China, and Europe has sold to India and Pak both. In fact if Pak had the money right now to buy a squadron or more of Rafale, the French would sell it in a heartbeat. Ur argument is flawed at best.

 

[Dazzler]

How would you compare that Tank with the Al-Zarrar Tank, and how many T-85IIIM were imported and produced, how many are still in service ?

AZ has better engine/ transmission and FCS as it was updated much later. Type-85s have had a lot of issues with their engines and transmission as well as maintenance. Around 250 are still in service.

 

[BetterPakistan]

That happened during 90s, more than 20 years ago. A lot has changed since then.

Are these type 85s somehow better than zarrars?

 

[Dazzler]

Are these type 85s somehow better than zarrars?

they use similar systems so shoud be simialr, though type 85 is a newer model while AZ is basically a type-59 revamped.

 

[BetterPakistan]

they use similar systems so shoud be simialr, though type 85 is a newer model while AZ is basically a type-59 revamped.

any update about type 69ll ??

 

[Dazzler]

any update about type 69ll ??

may be retired soon.

 

[BetterPakistan]

may be retired soon.

those type-59 m2s are still in service than why will PA retire type 69s?

 

[Dazzler]

those type-59 m2s are still in service than why will PA retire type 69s?

Just two hundred were bought and the performance was just a fraction better than M2s. Last i heard they had about hundred or so in service. Some equipped with 100mm gun were given out to FC.

 

[Basel]

 

[Glavcom]

 

[Dazzler]

 

[BHarwana]

Russia to modernize T-80 tanks of Pakistan. Contract to be signed soon. The Ukrainian made tank will are getting a total New style and tech improved engine and armor.

@Zarvan @Windjammer

 

[Dazzler]

Russia to modernize T-80 tanks of Pakistan. Contract to be signed soon. The Ukrainian made tank will are getting a total New style and tech improved engine and armor.
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@Zarvan @Windjammer

Is this confirmed? Pakistani t-80UDs are essentially ukrainian t-84s (Objekt. 478DU) as they house several similar subsystems including armour, engine, transmission and welded turret. I dont think Ukrainians will be happy. Worst, the V series diesel engines are also installed in the Indian t-90S and are known for breaking down and have reliability problems.

If true, thats a bad sign. Not to mention, the AK series also relies on Ukrainian powerpacks/ transmissions.

 

[LKJ86]

Is this confirmed? Pakistani t-80UDs are essentially ukrainian t-84s (Objekt. 478DU) as they house several similar subsystems including armour, engine, transmission and welded turret. I dont think Ukrainians will be happy. Worst, the V series diesel engines are also installed in the Indian t-90S and are known for breaking down and have reliability problems.

If true, thats a bad sign. Not to mention, the AK series also relies on Ukrainian powerpacks/ transmissions.

Why not Ukraine?

 

[Dazzler]

Why not Ukraine?

That's what i asked.