T-80 and T-84 Main Battle Tanks Information pool

[HRK]

https://news.ru/oruzhie/pakistan-prosit-rf-pomoch-s-kuplennymi-u-ukrainy-t-80/

This is in Russian language some Russian member can help translate this.

OK ....

 

[Dazzler]

we signed agreement with Ukraine during last IDEAS defence exhibition

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Ukraine and Pakistan start the practical implementation of the agreements in defense industry aimed at expanding cooperation in armored vehicle production under the Pakistani T-80UD tanks upgrade program.

State-run enterprise Ukrspecexport said that at the 13th International Defence Exhibition and Conference (IDEX) 2017 (the United Arab Emirates), the top managers of the Ukrainian enterprise met with representatives of Armed Forces of Pakistan. Ukraine and Pakistan signed two contracts to overhaul first five T-80UD tanks of the Pakistani Armed Forces (a pilot project) and to supply 88 tank sights to Pakistan.

The contracts were signed as part of agreements confirmed in the memorandums of cooperation signed at the IDEAS 2016 (Pakistan) in November 2016 with the participation of Ukrainian Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak, the press service said.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/407144.html
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if the news is true than it mean the pilot project for the upgradation of 5 T-80UD tanks was not satisfactory (if the project has already executed) further its a sign to say goodbye to oplot tank

Almost forgot that development.

No idea what happened to the pilot batch of UDs but the sudden shift and interest in Russian armour somehow suggests that the pilot batch didnt go well and failed to satisfy the requirements? Just a guess on this matter.

However, there is a streak of events that army may be looking at Russian upgrades and enhancements. I doubt the authenticity of the news link though we have been looking at Russians for upgrades at least for the UDs.

@BHarwana might know more on this?

 

[Dazzler]

so no oplot for PA?

No clue what happened to Oplot P trials. There was news that a revamped P version was to be tested. However, this is a separate contract involving upgrades for t-80UDs.

 

[Path-Finder]

I wonder if the Russians can produce the same engine Ukraine offers too.

 

[Dazzler]

I wonder if the Russians can produce the same engine Ukraine offers too.

Nope, that will not be the case.

The 4td, 5td and 6td series of diesel engines are exclusively made in Ukraine since the beginning. The Russian mbts have the V series diesel engines.

 

[Path-Finder]

Nope, that will not be the case.

The 4td, 5td and 6td series of diesel engines are exclusively made in Ukraine since the beginning. The Russian mbts have the V series diesel engines.

damn, boxer engine is going to be better than straight or V type engines.

 

[Dazzler]

damn, boxer engine is going to be better than straight or V type engines.

Initial engines had questionable quality but later batches showed improved performance. The real challenge will be to put these in the desert where the UDs usually operate. The 6td showed excellent reliability and ran almost 3000 kms without breaking down during 93 trials and surprised many.

 

[Path-Finder]

Initial engines had questionable quality but later batches showed improved performance. The real challenge will be to put these in the desert where the UDs usually operate. The 6td showed excellent reliability and ran almost 3000 kms without breaking down during 93 trials and surprised many.

Is there any hope for domestic engine? Possibly based on Ukrainian outlay

 

[Dazzler]

Is there any hope for domestic engine? Possibly based on Ukrainian outlay

None as far as i know, not in this category anyway. Developing these engines require considerable time and resources, not to mention the knowhow. We lack all.

 

[Dazzler]

@BHarwana

The big concern is that the T-80BVM runs on gas turbine GTD 1250 engine. I dont think the gas turbine will last long in Pakistani deserts.

A cause of concern.

 

[BHarwana]

@BHarwana

The big concern is that the T-80BVM runs on gas turbine GTD 1250 engine. I dont think the gas turbine will last long in Pakistani deserts.

A cause of concern.

Gas turbine runs engines run good in desert. Look at M1 they have the same type of engine. Plus US tech went to Russia as well.

 

[Dazzler]

Gas turbine runs engines run good in desert. Look at M1 they have the same type of engine. Plus US tech went to Russia as well.

They are maintenance nightmares and smell fuel. The M1 has plenty of support with it, along with a spare engine if needed (US version), The fuel economy compared to a diesel engine is simply horrible. Russians call it the Arctic tank as gas turbines perform better in cold weather.

 

[BHarwana]

They are maintenance nightmares and smell fuel. The M1 has plenty of support with it, along with a spare engine if needed (US version), The fuel economy compared to a diesel engine is simply horrible. Russians call it the Arctic tank as gas turbines perform better in cold weather.

We already have T-80 with us and we are not buying them. They already have turbine engines in them. We are just upgrading them. We will get better fuel economy. Better compartments with for crew. Better armor, better guns, it will be brought to the par of T-90M. Russia it's self has 4000 of them. Instead of scraping them we are putting them to good use. This is not going to effect any of our other plans.
I don't think any thing is wrong in getting upgrade, we already have the tank it is not a new purchase for us.

 

[Dazzler]

We already have T-80 with us and we are not buying them. They already have turbine engines in them. We are just upgrading them. We will get better fuel economy. Better compartments with for crew. Better armor, better guns, it will be brought to the par of T-90M. Russia it's self has 4000 of them. Instead of scraping them we are putting them to good use. This is not going to effect any of our other plans.

I don't think any thing is wrong in getting upgrade, we already have the tank it is not a new purchase for us.

The t-80B was developed around a gas turbine engine producing 1250hp. The engine never performed well from the word go which is why they moved to the diesel engine to begin with. I am not saying we are going to replace the well performing 6tds of UDs but will the Ukrainians allow it when these engines had to be shipped for maintenance even during Soviet days?

For the "betters" you mentioned, we are not getting some out of the world type deal.

IF we get this upgrade, the t-80BVM package, is for the most part a t-80BV with some technology from T-80U, T-90MS minus the engine. The FCS is now 1a43T, the autotracking for maingun is there, but not the AA machine gun. The armour is pretty much the same, so is the cast turret, but adding Relikt ERA will enhance the protection. The tank has Kontakt 5 at the side so the side protection may be reduced.

The upgrade should be decent but nothing extra ordinary. The welded turret should not be changed as our UDs have excellent turrets, much better than the cast ones installed in the BVMs.

 

[BHarwana]

The t-80B was developed around a gas turbine engine producing 1250hp. The engine never performed well from the word go which is why they moved to the diesel engine to begin with. I am not saying we are going to replace the well performing 6tds of UDs but will the Ukrainians allow it when these engines had to be shipped for maintenance even during Soviet days?

For the "betters" you mentioned, we are not getting some out of the world type deal.

IF we get this upgrade, the t-80BVM package, is for the most part a t-80BV with some technology from T-80U, T-90MS minus the engine. The FCS is now 1a43T, the autotracking for maingun is there, but not the AA machine gun. The armour is pretty much the same, so is the cast turret, but adding Relikt ERA will enhance the protection. The tank has Kontakt 5 at the side so the side protection may be reduced.

The upgrade should be decent but nothing extra ordinary. The welded turret should not be changed as our UDs have excellent turrets, much better than the cast ones installed in the BVMs.

Obviously if we are paying money we will get something better than we already have and I think these tanks will serve our north west than eastern border. The main problem with T-80 was fuel and upgrading it will bring down that cost. Plus the main threat from west is RPG and new armor upgrade gives that protection. You are all focused on what we need in east but in the western front turbine engine will perform good. Plus tank is being used in middle east and desert is no issue for it. Syria got the upgrade of few T-80 as military aid from Russia. The upgraded tank did well there.