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Here is something else we imagine. USA, Qatar, and Turkey do not give logistic, political, financial, and military support to thuggish and dangerous elements to start a war back in 2011.
Rebels got virtually no support until mid 2013. Even after that support was tiny.

What would have happened. More and more reforms to address legitimate concerns, such as the Reforms of 2012,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_constitutional_referendum,_2012
After most of the army defected Assadists decided to play reformist. Where they were previous 40 years?

What happened in reality:
Israelis suddenly became the biggest fans of Islamist Extremism.
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It was civil protest against corrupt dictator. Assad's barrel bombs and massacres turned it into a sectarian war. There are two reasons why Assad do it:

1) Assad lacks support at home, without foreign sectarian cannon fodder he cant survive.
2) Its much better for PR to cell a revolt against a corrupt dictator as "Islamic extremism".
 
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Rebels got virtually no support until mid 2013. Even after that support was tiny.


2011: How US Ambassador Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked To Jihadist Rebels In Syria

In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group — a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens' life.

In November 2011 The Telegraph reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, "met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey" in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in Syria.
Last month The Times of London reported that a Libyan ship "carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria … has docked in Turkey." The shipment reportedly weighed 400 tons and included SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.

Those heavy weapons are most likely from Muammar Gaddafi's stock of about 20,000 portable heat-seeking missiles—the bulk of them SA-7s—that the Libyan leader obtained from the former Eastern bloc. Reuters reports that Syrian rebels have been using those heavy weapons to shoot down Syrian helicopters and fighter jets.

The ship's captain was "a Libyan from Benghazi and the head of an organization called the Libyan National Council for Relief and Support," which was presumably established by the new government.

That means that Ambassador Stevens had only one person—Belhadj—between him and the Benghazi man who brought heavy weapons to Syria.

Last month The Wall Street Journal reported that the State Department presence in Benghazi "provided diplomatic cover" for the now-exposed CIA annex. It follows that the "weapons transfer" that Stevens negotiated may have involved sending heavy weapons recovered by the CIA to the revolutionaries in Syria.

REPORT: The US Is Openly Sending Heavy Weapons From Libya To Syrian Rebels

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"..THE United States is launching a covert operation to send weapons to Syrian rebels for the first time as it ramps up military efforts to oust President Bashar al-Assad.

Mortars, rocket-propelled grenades and anti-tank missiles will be sent through friendly Middle Eastern countries already supplying the rebels, according to well-placed diplomatic sources.

The Americans have bought some of the weapons from the stockpiles of Muammar Gadaffi, the Libyan dictator killed last year. They include SA-7 missiles, which can be used to shoot down aircraft...."
Covert US plan to arm rebels

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C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition

WASHINGTON — A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers.

The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries including Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood and paid for by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the officials said.

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Obama authorizes secret support for Syrian rebels
"...President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing U.S. support for rebels seeking to depose Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his government, sources familiar with the matter said...."​


"....Last week, Reuters reported that, along with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Turkey had established a secret base near the Syrian border to help direct vital military and communications support to Assad's opponents.

This "nerve center" is in Adana, a city in southern Turkey about 60 miles from the Syrian border, which is also home to Incirlik, a U.S. air base where U.S. military and intelligence agencies maintain a substantial presence..."


"...European government sources said wealthy families in Saudi Arabia and Qatar were providing significant financing to the rebels. Senior officials of the Saudi and Qatari governments have publicly called for Assad's departure..."

"...On Tuesday, NBC News reported that the Free Syrian Army had obtained nearly two dozen surface-to-air missiles, weapons that could be used against Assad's helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft. Syrian government armed forces have employed such air power more extensively in recent days.

NBC said the shoulder-fired missiles, also known as MANPADs, had been delivered to the rebels via Turkey..."



meanwhile :
Extremist groups also began to emerge between November 2011 and December 2012, the Al Qaeda
affiliated Jabhat al Nusra (“ Support Front ,” JN, aka the Nusra Front)
 
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Rebels got virtually no support until mid 2013. Even after that support was tiny.

I don't want to spent too much time sourcing material for someone like you, because I've done it in the past, and you are extremely fanatic in the way you approach this political situation, and facts make no sense to you. But let me at least prove you wrong for other interested, more open-minded readers of this discussion.

Since you mention "no support until mind 2013", I did a google news search for news up to mid 2013 (we will take June as the mid). We will look at well known western publications to reduce allegations of bias (so, we won't source presstv, for example, unless its for something undisputable such as official government statements).

Here is an article from 27, April, 2013, from Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Islamists-in-quest-for-global-influence.html

"Qatar and Saudi Arabia are among a handful of countries whose support for the uprising against Bashar al-Assad's regime has won plaudits from many in the region, where few dispute that the Syrian president has forfeited any right to power.


But signs that arms and cash may be filtering through to groups such as the al-Nusra Brigade, which has openly declared allegiance to al-Qaeda, are alarming Western observers.

As the West has hesitated over sending its own military assistance, non-sectarian elements of the rebel Free Syrian Army are being outflanked and out-gunned by better-funded and armed Islamist fighters, including foreign jihadists.

Qatar's prime minister, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani, said recently: "As there is no clear international opinion to end the crisis in Syria... we are supporting the opposition with whatever it needs, even if it takes up arms for self-defence.""

Here is something from May, 2013, from Reuturs,
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-saudi-insight-idUSBRE94U0ZV20130531

"Saudi Arabia has prevailed over its small but ambitious Gulf neighbor Qatar to impose itself as the main outside force supporting the Syrian rebels, a move that may curb the influence of Qatari-backed Islamist militants.

Though governments in neither Riyadh nor Doha would provide official comment, several senior sources in the region told Reuters that the past week's wrangling among Syria's opposition factions in Istanbul was largely a struggle for control between the two Gulf monarchies, in which Saudi power finally won out.

"Saudi Arabia is now formally in charge of the Syria issue," said a senior rebel military commander in one of northern Syria's border provinces where Qatar has until now been the main supplier of arms to those fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

The outcome, many Syrian opposition leaders hope, could strengthen them in both negotiations and on the battlefield - while hampering some of the anti-Western Islamist hardliners in their ranks whom they say Qatar has been helping with weaponry.

Anger at a failure by one such Qatari-backed Islamist unit in a battle in April that gave Syrian government forces control of a key highway helped galvanize the Saudis, sources said, while Qatari and Islamist efforts to control the opposition political body backfired by angering Riyadh and Western powers.

The northern rebel commander said Saudi leaders would no longer let Qatar take the lead but would themselves take over the dominant role in channeling support into Syria.

"The Saudis met leaders of the Free Syrian Army, including officers from the Military Council in Jordan and Turkey, and have agreed that they will be supporting the rebels," he said after attending one of those meetings himself."

Here is an article from FT from May, 2013,
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f2d9bbc8-bdbc-11e2-890a-00144feab7de.html

"As the Arab world’s bloodiest conflict grinds on, Qatar has emerged as a driving force: pouring in tens of millions of dollars to arm the rebels."

"When it comes to backing Syria’s rebels, no one can claim more credit than the gas-rich Gulf state. Whether in terms of armaments or financial support for dissidents, diplomatic manoeuvring or lobbying, Qatar has been in the lead, readily disgorging its gas-generated wealth in the pursuit of the downfall of the House of Assad."

"In the shell-blasted areas of rebel-held Syria, few appear to be aware of the vast sums that Qatar has contributed – estimated by rebel and diplomatic sources to be about $1bn, but put by people close to the Qatar government at as much as $3bn."

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I hope to sensible readers and people who are interested in viewing political situations in an honest manner will be able to see how easily I have proven 500's claim of "Rebels got virtually no support until mid 2013" as completely false.
 
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I don't want to spent too much time
I really dont know why u are spending time in order to prove that everyone who protests against inbred corrupt dictator is ISLAAAMIC EXTRAMIST and that rebels get massive support.

Here Syrian rebels:


Here Ukraine Donbass separatists:



See the difference? So now u know how the REAL SUPPORT looks like.
 
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Kindly also share child treatment of Asad's soldiers.

Soldiers of Asad are equally wild animals as Daesh
Several pics and videos are on internet.

Why some how that will justify the killing of a child or gives you peace of mind when supporting terrorist.

Just to remain head of state how many has he killed directly and what rebels are doing is also goes in his account to some or more extent.


Really since most of these terrorist are not even Syrian and majority of financing to the terrorist is from dictaker held countries, all of GCC.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ey-down-roman-road-to-barbarity-a7129406.html

The dead Isis fighters are from Chechnya, Afghanistan, Pakistan – there were a few Kuwaitis and Qataris but also many Saudis.

What are they rebelling against in Syria?
 
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Very logical, whenever the atrocities of asad are pointed at, slaves of iranian mulla start crying.

Why some how that will justify the killing of a child or gives you peace of mind when supporting terrorist.


What are they rebelling against in Syria?
 
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I really dont know why u are spending time in order to prove that everyone who protests against inbred corrupt dictator is ISLAAAMIC EXTRAMIST and that rebels get massive support.

Here Syrian rebels:


Here Ukraine Donbass separatists:



See the difference? So now u know how the REAL SUPPORT looks like.

I think my sources of FT, Telegraph, and Reuters, dated before mid 2013, are reasonable evidence that your statement of "Rebels got virtually no support until mid 2013" was false, unless you think all major media companies have a secret conspiracy to align themselves with Iran (with Obama as it's head).
 
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Very logical, whenever the atrocities of asad are pointed at, slaves of iranian mulla start crying.

L O L, Insults the last resort of idiot with a crumbling position trying to appear confident.
 
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Sick and sad....US and Russia should jointly clear Syria from these animals.
 
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Sick and sad....US and Russia should jointly clear Syria from these animals.
How typical. Assadist thinks that execution of 1 POW is bigger crime than murder of thousands civilians.

Zanki released a video proving he was Al Quds soldier:

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In case of a kid I fuilly agree with @Siryus :

Rest in peace.
Al-Quds Brigade gets 90% of the blame.
10% goes to Nour Al-Deen Movement.
 
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Very logical, whenever the atrocities of asad are pointed at, slaves of iranian mulla start crying.
If we call you slave of Saudi Arabia, wouldn't that work too? Because labelling people who don't agree with you is something anyone can do.

@500
Congratulations, you are doing a fine job defending the scums that are just the other side of IDF.
 
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I think my sources of FT, Telegraph, and Reuters, dated before mid 2013, are reasonable evidence that your statement of "Rebels got virtually no support until mid 2013" was false, unless you think all major media companies have a secret conspiracy to align themselves with Iran (with Obama as it's head).
I believe in facts not journo stories.

These are Syrian rebels:

These are pro-Russian rebels:

Note in first year of revolution rebels could not even dream about junk hell cannon. They fought with some mediveal catapults.

pb-121015-syria-catapult-jsa-1.photoblog900.jpg


syria-homemade-cat_2851947k.jpg


So much for a "support". Still they kicked Assads 5000 tank army.

If we call you slave of Saudi Arabia, wouldn't that work too? Because labelling people who don't agree with you is something anyone can do.

@500
Congratulations, you are doing a fine job defending the scums that are just the other side of IDF.
Assadist logic:

* Slaughter hundreds of kids with knives and breaking their skulls with rifle butts in Houla, Banias, Bayda is fine.
* Torture tens of thousands in jails to death, including kids is fine.
* Barrel bomb towns with millions of civilians is fine.
* Starve towns is fine.
* Using child soldiers is fine.

But executing a captured soldier is terrible crime. Everyone must repent and pray for Assad and Khamenai now.
 
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L O L, Insults the last resort of idiot with a crumbling position trying to appear confident.

If we call you slave of Saudi Arabia, wouldn't that work too? Because labelling people who don't agree with you is something anyone can do.

@500
Congratulations, you are doing a fine job defending the scums that are just the other side of IDF.
I say for me saudi king with his family can go to hell , now you say that same for Iranian mulla and also show atrocities of asad along with daesh.
But you will not !
 
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It's sickening to see people in defense of this crime, or diverting attention from it, and pitting blame on others. If it was IDF soldier that was beheaded by Hezbollah or Hamas, we would see global outrage, and much more outrage here by other members. A Palestinian child was murdered, under false accusations that he was combatant, even if he had minor role in conflict, nothing justifies this crime. The video an Israeli member links as proof for this, cannot be found online, so we'd like to see a link from this person.

I am no longer neutral in this conflict and support Assad, Hezbollah, The Syrian Army and the Syrian gov't. And moderators should take a look at this hypocritical people, who are outraged if Hamas fights back against Israel, yet brushing off a beheading of a child, because they support the terrorist side that is aligned with Israel.

Also, Hamas issued statement on this incident:

Izzit Rashq: "There is no way someone with a brain or heart-felted person would go forward with this heinous crime and behead a child that looks to be no older than 13 years old, what kind of crime and monstrosity are these people committing!?"

2nd Statement: "Execution of a 13 year old Palestinian boy by beheading in cold blood, in northern Aleppo is a horrible and monstrous crime we condemn greatly."
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PS: A lot of Palestinians are now changing their mind on the conflict and withdrawing any moral support they had to the opposition. The opposition said nothing in condemnation of this and did nothing so far.

1987-1993 First Intifada - 1162 killed
2000-2005 Second Intifada - ~3000 killed
2006-2016 Israel Gaza conflict + West Bank - ~5000 killed

We are talking of your '30' year period, which is consistent with 10-12 thousand conservative figure, not including indirect death toll.
 
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It's sickening to see people in defense of this crime, or diverting attention from it, and pitting blame on others.
There are hundreds of crimes in Syria committed every day.

If it was IDF soldier that was beheaded by Hezbollah or Hamas, we would see global outrage, and much more outrage here by other members.
When two IDF soldiers were brutally lynched in Ramallah no one in the world gave a damn. And they were not attacking Ramallah, they just lost their way.

Couple weeks ago Palestinian stabbed to death 13 year Jewish girl in her bedroom.

Hallal-Yaffa-Ariel.jpg


Again no one gave a damn.

A Palestinian child was murdered, under false accusations that he was combatant,
No its not false. He was a combatant. The video of him in uniform is released.

even if he had minor role in conflict, nothing justifies this crime.
You are right. It killing that kid was a sick crime. But alas there are more sick crimes in Syria committed daily.

The video an Israeli member links as proof for this, cannot be found online, so we'd like to see a link from this person.
Here is the link. Its not graphic but still terrible.

I am no longer neutral in this conflict and support Assad, Hezbollah, The Syrian Army and the Syrian gov't. And moderators should take a look at this hypocritical people, who are outraged if Hamas fights back against Israel, yet brushing off a beheading of a child, because they support the terrorist side that is aligned with Israel.
I suggest u to join cannon fodder Liwa al Quds attacks on Handarat. Supporting genocidal maniac Assad from Detroit wont change anything.

We are talking of your '30' year period, which is consistent with 10-12 thousand conservative figure, not including indirect death toll.
Inderect toll will me in minus, coz Israel saves thousands of Palestinian lives each year.
 
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