Swat Operation II

[ajpirzada]

What is the punishment for adultery according to Sharia?
For a man and a woman...

wat i have read in Quran, it says
lock them in a room (obviously not together) and if they come back to the right path then leave them. Allah knows wat is in everyones heart and He is the most forgiving and merciful. but if they dont correct themselves then the punishment is wat has been mentioned above.
in most of the cases ppl always forget the first part.

 

[rubyjackass]

Also I was told Quran prohibits dancing...
Is that true?
If so is there any punishment for that?

Also about the above punishment, who will be stoning those ppl, now that the law is in force in Swat?

No sarcas, intended, my doubt is that people will not be willing to kill others like that.

 

[ajpirzada]

Also I was told Quran prohibits dancing...
Is that true?
If so is there any punishment for that?

actually we have been adviced to not do anything which is a waste of time bec it deviates your mind away from God. not to confuse it with recreation. even music is fine at special occasions but again too much of it is not considered gud. there are examples of little girls singing while Prophet (peace be upon him) was sleeping. that day was eid. one of Prophet's(pbuh) companion came in while not realising Prophet(pbuh) was in the room and told the girls to stop. Prophet (pbuh) hearing that told him to let them enjoy as it was eid.

dance i am not sure if its prohibited. but i am sure its not considered gud.

as far as punishment is concerned, i dont think there is any punishment. or may be so far i havent come across any. also going back in history, i cant recall any time when someone was punished coz he/she was singing or dancing.

 

[waraich66]

Also I was told Quran prohibits dancing...
Is that true?
If so is there any punishment for that?

Also about the above punishment, who will be stoning those ppl, now that the law is in force in Swat?

No sarcas, intended, my doubt is that people will not be willing to kill others like that.

Dancing is not allowed .

Islam dont permit to implement islam by force that is reason more emphesis is on charater building and creating a conducive environment for practice of islam.Yes when some body or group try to creat hindrance then islam allow muslim to use force or War.


Shariah law always enforced to provide free and fair justice but Amir Maruf Nahi Munkir meaning invite people towards islam and elimination of evil or bad things(music,alcohal,riba,tax,adultery ) from society is continous process of islamic soiciety should be continued always without any break.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Dancing is not allowed .

Islam dont permit to implement islam by force that is reason more emphesis is on charater building and creating a conducive environment for practice of islam.Yes when some body or group try to creat hindrance then islam allow muslim to use force or War.


Shariah law always enforced to provide free and fair justice but Amir Maruf Nahi Munkir meaning invite people towards islam and elimination of evil or bad things(music,alcohal,riba,tax,adultery ) from society is continous process of islamic soiciety should be continued always without any break.

Oh please, this might be your opinion but it is not the opinion of all Islamic scholars.

Question: As-salamu `alaykum. Is dancing prohibited in Islam? That is, dancing with a group of people like bhangra, by oneself, or dancing with females. Thank you for your time. Jazaka Allahu khayran.

Answer: Wa `alaykum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.


In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for showing keenness on learning the teachings of Islam, and we appreciate the great confidence you have in us. We hope our efforts meet your expectations.


Islam is a religion of moderation and does not approve of either extremism or negligence. It does not prevent people from having entertainment; however, it provides the rules that regulate this entertainment. At the same time, Islam does not tolerate any kind of entertainment that contains haram (unlawful) or even leads to haram behavior.

Dancing can be either between women, between men, or mixed between both sexes. It is allowed for women to dance together unless it involves revealing any of the woman’s `awrah – that is, the parts of the body between the navel and the knee – in front of other women. It is also allowed unless the dancing means that mandatory obligations will not be carried out or if it coincides with unlawful acts.


In this regard, Dr. Su’ad Salih, professor of Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) at Al-Azhar University , states:

Islam is a religion of moderation; it does not prevent singing and dancing, but it forbids anything that stimulates people’s desires, whether it be among men or women. Women are supposed to observe good manners if they dance in front of other women. They should not exceed the limits by doing anything that stimulates desires and incites evil. There are many cases where women are tempted by other women.

However, if a woman dances in front of her husband, then there is no restriction, as it is a way of cementing relations between spouses – and this a key pillar of establishing the Muslim family.

Moreover, Dr. Salim Ahmad Salamah, Dean of the Faculty of Usul Ad-Deen at the Islamic University, Gaza , adds:

It is permissible for women to dance and sing as long as there are no males around. In addition, the words of the song should be free from any foul words or vulgarity. Thus, as long as the words of the song are pure and clean and there are no males, there is nothing wrong in dancing.

By analogy, men are allowed to dance together as long as they cover their `awrah (the parts of the body between the navel and the knee) and there is no fear of temptation.

Men and women dancing together is absolutely haram in all cases, except when a wife dances in front of her husband. The reason behind this prohibition is that with mixed dancing bodily contact is close and improper sexual desires are aroused. This has been strictly forbidden by Islam in an attempt to block the way against evil. If men and women were permitted to dance together, a lot of haram acts could occur. That is why mixed dancing is not allowed.

Dancing: What Is Allowed and What Is Not - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar

 

[rubyjackass]

Dancing is not allowed .

Islam dont permit to implement islam by force that is reason more emphesis is on charater building and creating a conducive environment for practice of islam.Yes when some body or group try to creat hindrance then islam allow muslim to use force or War.


Shariah law always enforced to provide free and fair justice but Amir Maruf Nahi Munkir meaning invite people towards islam and elimination of evil or bad things(music,alcohal,riba,tax,adultery ) from society is continous process of islamic soiciety should be continued always without any break.

music also?

tax??!!
Then is there not going to be any tax in swat?
But I guess broadly speaking, all muslim rulers imposed tax...(correct me.)
What do 'Maruf' and 'Munkir' mean?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Ok - take this discussion on Islam to a different thread please, and you can google some of these things and get answers as well. For example g to the site I linked above - many common questions are answered there and on other sites, and you will likely receive different answers as well.

Interpretations of Islam differ widely.

 

[waraich66]

Swatis are happy but the West isn’t

Tuesday, February 17, 2009

By Rahimullah Yusufzai

PESHAWAR: People in Swat and rest of Malakand division heaved a sigh of relief and expressed happiness following the announcement that Nizam-e-Adl Regulation was being enforced in their area but in keeping with expectations the Western capitals appear apprehensive and their media is critical of the decision.

The reaction by the Western media and some liberal and progressive sections of the population in Pakistan was so strong and negative that it appears to have unnerved the federal government. The statement by Information Minister Sherry Rehman that President Asif Ali Zardari would sign the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation only after restoration of peace in Swat could be interpreted as an attempt to allay the fears in the Western countries and deflect the criticism against the amended Islamic-rooted law. This statement doesn’t take into account the fact that enforcement of Nizam-e-Adl Regulation is necessary for restoration of peace as any further delay would provide the militants an excuse to continue their attacks against the security forces and pro-government people and provoke the military to take retaliatory action.

It is unfortunate that Pakistan has become so weak and vulnerable to foreign pressure that its government cannot even initiate measures and make laws in accordance with the wishes of its people. The people of Swat and other parts of Malakand Division have made it abundantly clear that they want Shariah as they believe it would make their area peaceful and facilitate quick and affordable delivery of justice.

More importantly, they feel this would bring an end to the military operations in Swat and restrain the militants. In fact, return of peace is now the most important wish of the people in Swat and they would welcome any decision that could achieve this objective. The expressions of joy in Swat as seen on our television screens and distribution of sweets in villages even in places like Lower Dir to celebrate the announcement about Nizam-e-Adl Regulation were proof of the relief that the common people felt about return of peace to their troubled area.

So strong was the reaction in the Western media that an American TV channel in a report termed the “deal” as capitulation to the militants. It wrongly claimed that the whole of NWFP would now be under Shariah and that strict Islamic law would be enforced. It also stressed that the Pakistan government gave up its sovereignty, that secular law was over and that the Taliban would henceforth impose their tough Islamic laws in Swat and beyond. Other Western media outlets argued that the Taliban got what they wanted after the government agreed to impose Islamic law and suspend the military operation across much of northwest Pakistan.

Unfortunately, much of this criticism is misplaced. This is primarily due to the lack of knowledge about the kind of law that is being proposed for Malakand region and the adjoining Kohistan district of Hazara division. In fact, the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation isn’t much different from a similar law that was enforced in Swat and rest of Malakand division and Kohistan in 1994 and then, with some amendments, in 1999. Some changes have certainly been made to appease Maulana Sufi Mohammad, founder of the Tanzim Nifaz Shariat-e-Muhammadi (TNSM) and the foremost campaigner for Shariah in the area, and bring him on board. Some commentators were even asking as to who would sit in the proposed Qazi Courts because they were unaware that such courts already exist in the whole of Malakand division as a result of the previous Shariah and Nizam-e-Adl ordinances and qualified and trained judges renamed Qazis man the Qazi Courts. The argument that the country cannot afford to have two different kinds of law or legal system is also irrelevant because Swat, Chitral, Dir and the new districts Buner and Shangla that comprise Malakand Division were merged into Pakistan as late as 1969 and, therefore, had a special status with their own set of laws. The Nizam-e-Adl Regulation for the area was rather a continuation of the semi-Shariah laws that were already in force in the states of Swat, Dir and Chitral at the time of their merger in Pakistan.

 

[RedBaron]

Swatis are happy but the West isn’t

Tuesday, February 17, 2009

By Rahimullah Yusufzai

PESHAWAR: People in Swat and rest of Malakand division heaved a sigh of relief and expressed happiness following the announcement that Nizam-e-Adl Regulation was being enforced in their area but in keeping with expectations the Western capitals appear apprehensive and their media is critical of the decision.
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Here's one woman resident from Swat who is apparently neither happy nor relieved. Watch the video to gauge the actual emotions...

Pakistani woman watches Taliban take over town she loves - CNN.com

 

[RabzonKhan]

Second Editorial: Swat sharia and Taliban

February 17, 2009

Some developments after the announcement that the governments in Peshawar and Islamabad had agreed to sharia in the Malakand region are worth noting. The NWFP government representatives insist that the agreement over the content of sharia laws has been reached with Sufi Muhammad of the Tehreek-e Nifaz-e Shariat-e Muhammadi (TNSM) and, pointedly, not with the Tehreek-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) whose chapter in Swat is headed by warlord Fazlullah. They say this was to show adherence to their pledge that they will not parley with anyone who bears arms.

Mr Fazlullah says he has announced a 10-day ceasefire. (He said this while destroying another school on the day the accord was reached.) He also says that in the coming ten days he will watch closely the implementation of the sharia law called Nizam-e-Adl Regulation, and if he doesn’t like what he sees he will go back to his pastime of killing and demolishing. Clearly, he is indicating his de facto authority over the area and has not completely accepted the authority of his father-in-law Sufi Muhammad, which implicitly is spiritual in nature now. In a way he has the veto over whether the sharia law will finally be accepted. He in fact is the executive authority in the region and not the NWFP government.

Most of the reliable pro-sharia commentators who came on TV Sunday night stated that the popular acceptance of the sharia was based on the people’s desire for peace. The desire for the sharia was thus not propelled by the need for justice but the need for peace. In other words, it was not inspired by the divinity of Sufi Muhammad but by the power to kill of warlord Fazlullah who will clearly not submit to sharia justice if cases are brought against him in the sharia courts for killing innocent people. The flaw in the agreement reached between the NWFP government and Sufi Muhammad of the TNSM lies in it not being negotiated with the man who has ousted the writ of the state in Swat. The problem with Fazlullah, on the other hand, is that he holds Swat at the pleasure of Baitullah Mehsud and can only offer ceasefires if the “caliph” of the TTP in South Waziristan agrees.

We fervently hope that sharia in Swat brings peace as well as justice to the benighted population of the valley. But the bottom line, which no student of political science in the world will deny, is that a state of justice cannot exist without a proper writ of the state. It is the obligation of the state of Pakistan to re-establish its writ in the region before people can taste the fruit of justice.

 

[waraich66]

Fazullah working under sufi muhammad not under baitullah ,yes they got support from him but Sufi Muhammad has overall control of malakand shariah state .

Anti state media should be stoped now , other wise their editors may be given notice from shraih court of swat

 

[ejaz007]

Sufi Muhammad-led Peace March kicks off in Swat
Updated at: 1035 PST, Wednesday, February 18, 2009


SWAT: Tahrik-e-Nifaz Shariat Muhammadi (TNSM) Peace March led by its chief, Maulana Sufi Muhammad has kicked off here.

Sources said that a large number of people on foot and riding vehicles have thronged for the Peace March and expressed their urge for the much needed peace in Swat.

Meanwhile, Maulana Sufi Muhammad said that he would return from Swat only after having achieved the target for which he has come to Swat. He said that the Peace March aims at ending the environment of fear and harassment.

Maulana said that the struggle for Shariat has taken a big leap forward and hoped that peace in the entire country would be restored with the enforcement of Sharia laws.

Peace March taking a round of Nishat Chowk, Sohrab, Green Chowk, People’s Chowk and Main Bazar would end at Tablighi Markaz.

It may be recalled that Maulana Sufi Muhammad will leave for Matta from Tablighi Markaz, where he would be meeting Taliban leader Maulana Fazlullah.

Sufi Muhammad-led Peace March kicks off in Swat

 

[ejaz007]

Hoti threatens to quit if Swat deal blocked
Wednesday, February 18, 2009
By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: NWFP Chief Minister Amir Haider Hoti has threatened to quit if hurdles are created in the implementation of the fresh understanding reached between the Tanzim-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM) and his regime.

Sources said while addressing Monday’s Jirga meeting, which endorsed the peace deal that was successfully concluded between the TNSM and the ANP regime, Hoti categorically said his government would not tolerate any hurdle in its implementation.

The ANP government, whose performance has so far been highly unimpressive, has won laurels by striking a deal with highly influential TNSM chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad. Though attacked by the armchair critics of Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore, Hoti reminded the Jirga meeting that being a representative of the people of the province, he had no reason to deny what the people in Swat and the adjoining seven districts of the Malakand division had been demanding.

A senior ANP source said the provincial government had been engaged in peace talks with Maulana Sufi Muhammad for the last four months and it was only after extensive dialogue that the two sides agreed to the present peace deal, which would offer Nizam-e-Adl to the people of these districts.

The source said President Asif Zardari was in full picture and the peace deal was a consequence of his blessing. While some liberal elements, sitting in their cozy homes in Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore are picking up holes in the peace deal and term it an unfortunate move, all different political parties in the NWFP, including the PPP, the ANP, the JUI-F, the PML-Q, etc., had fully endorsed it. Representatives of the Jamaat-e-Islami boycotted the Jirga.

Sufi Muhammad, who is the most respected elder in Swat, is a non-violent author of the TNSM but is wrongly mixed up with militant Taliban of Swat. Besides political support from all different shades, the NWFP government’s understanding with Sufi Muhammad also enjoys the backing of the Pakistan Army and the ISI.

Meanwhile, ANP Information Secretary Zahid Khan, who led the successful talks with Sufi Muhammad from the government side, when contacted also sounded his disappointment over the reaction of selected class of political analysts and human rights activists and said he and his party took pride in taking steps that might bring peace and save Swat from bleeding to death.

He wondered if it was a crime to honour the overwhelming demand of the people of the Malakand division. Hailing from the same area, Zahid Khan said there was trouble only in Swat but the Nizam-e-Adl had been introduced in all the eight districts of the Malakand division only for the reason that the people of the area wanted quick justice.

Minister for Kashmir Affairs Qamaruzzaman Kaira, while talking to this correspondent, said the Swat peace-deal had the blessing of President Asif Zardari. To a question, he said the government would not be influenced by the expected foreign pressure to rescind the deal as the western nations had generally been critical of such agreements in the past.

Hoti threatens to quit if Swat deal blocked

 

[ejaz007]

What most people don't realize is that government has struck deal with Sufi Mohammad and not Taliban. Sufi Mohammad has lots of power in Malakand division and government is hoping he can take care of taliban. Remember taliban leader mullah Fazlullah is son in law of Sufi Mohammad.

The trick is good lets hope it works that way.

If this happens we might see an end to violence in Swat and Army can concentrate on Fata.

 

[waraich66]

What most people don't realize is that government has struck deal with Sufi Mohammad and not Taliban. Sufi Mohammad has lots of power in Malakand division and government is hoping he can take care of taliban. Remember taliban leader mullah Fazlullah is son in law of Sufi Mohammad.

The trick is good lets hope it works that way.

If this happens we might see an end to violence in Swat and Army can concentrate on Fata.

ejaz007,

Your understanding is not right, TTP is also involved in talks ,they want PA withdrawl from FATA areas also but these talks are still continued.