Swach Bharat closing in on 80%, doubling coverage from start

[Nilgiri]

I want to know the role and involvement of civil society during this campaign.

It's all there in the videos posted actually. Can also check the twitter feeds.

I agree that instances of public defecation and littering will not change maybe in the next three years but if the public is told things like what was given in @Nilgiri 's first vid ( of Mangalore ) - of the public owning the park and therefore they shouldn't litter it - such things will create education.

South seems to be leading again in developing the innovative concepts for mass-application. I agree with your timeframe, somewhere between 5 - 10 years when the results will be really expansive in say Ganges Hindi belt (to really make a sustained result on Indian population)....there right now the focus from what I can see on the twitter feeds seem to be on village training etc (past making the physical pit latrines etc)...which is important before the larger PPP investments can be made (so the community naturally pushes and improves it etc). This is the key difference this time compared to previous efforts, there is actual mass scale education/training/awareness and follow-up. It is really good they appointed that WB expert on the issue (Mr. P. Iyer) to manage the whole thing....he has been doing a great job.

 

[baajey]

After seeing this thread, i was almost sure i was in a developed country.
And then i stepped out of my building, its the same india.
However, having said the above, things have improved a little. Nothing dramatic.
For eg. go to a public bus stand and u can see n smell the “cleanliness” n “godliness” combined.

 

[Nilgiri]

After seeing this thread, i was almost sure i was in a developed country.
And then i stepped out of my building, its the same india.
However, having said the above, things have improved a little. Nothing dramatic.
For eg. go to a public bus stand and u can see n smell the “cleanliness” n “godliness” combined.

The thread concerns how the 90% live, not the 10% elite like you.

 

[jamahir]

South seems to be leading again in developing the innovative concepts for mass-application. I agree with your timeframe, somewhere between 5 - 10 years when the results will be really expansive in say Ganges Hindi belt (to really make a sustained result on Indian population)....there right now the focus from what I can see on the twitter feeds seem to be on village training etc (past making the physical pit latrines etc)...which is important before the larger PPP investments can be made (so the community naturally pushes and improves it etc). This is the key difference this time compared to previous efforts, there is actual mass scale education/training/awareness and follow-up. It is really good they appointed that WB expert on the issue (Mr. P. Iyer) to manage the whole thing....he has been doing a great job.

Mostly agreed but why an over-seer from the World Bank ?? I thought someone like Bindeshwar Pathak would have been a natural selection.

After seeing this thread, i was almost sure i was in a developed country.
And then i stepped out of my building, its the same india.
However, having said the above, things have improved a little. Nothing dramatic.
For eg. go to a public bus stand and u can see n smell the “cleanliness” n “godliness” combined.

Nilgiri, the concern of baajey is valid.

A strict implementation for your given time-frame ( 5 to 10 years ) is a must.

And if the problems is funds then those tens of thousands of crores to be spent on military purchases should be diverted to Swacch Bharat Mission.

 

[Nilgiri]

Mostly agreed but why an over-seer from the World Bank ?? I thought someone like Bindeshwar Pathak would have been a natural selection.

Shouldn't really matter where they are from. I mentioned it only because he has achieved lot of expertise on the subject internationally with the implementation aspect of it.

https://www.thebetterindia.com/137543/ias-usa-swacch-bharat-mission/

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...ana-village/story-OC4foo7SB9uDcyfIgJxQjP.html

He is also criticizing the funding aspect of it and holding govt feet to the fire on it....rather than simply accept meekly. He is a good pick for this job.

Nilgiri, the concern of baajey is valid.

A strict implementation for your given time-frame ( 5 to 10 years ) is a must.

Well the basic things have to reach the masses first and foremost. The people living in elite parts of the cities already have it way better. So of course the latter will not perceive much change, the change is happening in the areas they never really visit. If you follow the twitter feeds, you would know.

Time frames are good and all, but right now the only time frame is to get 0 ODF by 2019. The next phases regarding more followup and quality (using the best ideas being trialled now) will follow in the next 5 year chunk...where they aren't being done already.

And if the problems is funds then those tens of thousands of crores to be spent on military purchases should be diverted to Swacch Bharat Mission.

There is no funding problem requiring diversion (rather focus should be on properly utilising what is allocated right now). On the contrary there is funds lying unused (like say in Delhi swach)...because the bureaucracy inherited (inertia wise of 60+ years) from the vast inefficient socialist apparatus is pretty awful bad at implementation. A trend that has been noticed is there is a large amount of local funds being used now too (taking special interest free loan assistance from govt), and it helps the sustained use of the toilets etc (given people dont see it as just a govt given thing, but something they have personally invested in).

This is important in the end because govt involvement will vary over the years, but the genuine need/drive must be harnessed at ground level by the people themselves (so they will always add pressure/find a way/adopt solutions quick):

https://www.financialexpress.com/in...a-sarkari-plan-says-parameswaran-iyer/734367/

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=176607

 

[baajey]

The thread concerns how the 90% live, not the 10% elite like you.

i am pretty sure i belong to the 90% category.
i live in gurgaon, supposedly a place with good infra. but if u see the public places (SEZs or MNC buildings not included), things are not very rosy. for eg. iffco chowk, hero honda chowk.....n of course the bus stand n leave the old gurgaon part. its a whole shithole in itself.

 

[Nilgiri]

i live in gurgaon,

That's the 10% bro.

I'm talking people that dont have time to spend on computers and online forums. Rural farmers, urban slum dwellers, smaller towns, villages etc.

BTW I agree you are right to have concerns on the progress where you are (and you should apply pressure to the urban authorities/municipal etc), but it simply cannot be the priority from federal side. However bad you see around you , remember the 90% have been doing way way worse....literally only 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 of them even had a toilet access just 4 years back. That is where the babies are literally dieing because they get worms in their gut because of contaminated groundwater...and all the already anemic iron poor women put into carrying the pregnancy and giving birth is wasted on top of all the other horrendous things of losing a kid like that....leading to dbl the national mortality rate for both etc...and stunted kids if they survive and 6+ years taken off overall life expectancy.

So yeah sorry if your Gurgaon street is dirty still and your bus stop smells, there are way bigger priorities to fix....this govt is doing much better on it (bringing it out of closet, and making it front and centre flagship program), certainly compared to last one "led" by mr. silent sardarji.

 

[baajey]

That's the 10% bro.

I'm talking people that dont have time to spend on computers and online forums. Rural farmers, urban slum dwellers, smaller towns, villages etc.

BTW I agree you are right to have concerns on the progress where you are (and you should apply pressure to the urban authorities/municipal etc), but it simply cannot be the priority from federal side. However bad you see around you , remember the 90% have been doing way way worse....literally only 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 of them even had a toilet access just 4 years back. That is where the babies are literally dieing because they get worms in their gut because of contaminated groundwater...and all the already anemic iron poor women put into carrying the pregnancy and giving birth is wasted on top of all the other horrendous things of losing a kid like that....leading to dbl the national mortality rate for both etc...and stunted kids if they survive and 6+ years taken off overall life expectancy.

So yeah sorry if your Gurgaon street is dirty still and your bus stop smells, there are way bigger priorities to fix....this govt is doing much better on it (bringing it out of closet, and making it front and centre flagship program), certainly compared to last one "led" by mr. silent sardarji.

what i have personally experienced is that the 2nd and 3rd tier towns are most dirty, then comes the 1st tier cities due to better equipped municipal corps (despite larger populations) and the cleanest of all are the villages.
...and its has almost nothing to do with the govt in state or in the centre, its more of a mentality of ppl and population combined.
despite the cleanliness drive by the central govt and the measures taken on ground, things will return to its normal self when these measures are not implemented continuously or stopped.
i would blame ppl more than the govt.
NB: "Silent sardarji jibe was a cheapshot, esp when the 56" boo8s is walking on very similar lines. man ki baat doesnt count.

 

[Nilgiri]

@jamahir @Peshwa @baajey @jaunty @Mentee

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir @Peshwa @baajey @jaunty @Mentee

Indore looks cleaner than other cities except for the pig and the dog.

 

[Trisonics]

I was in India recently and I did see a big difference. People seem to make a conscious effort to throw trash in a bin. However, finding a bin was a challenge unless you were in a mall. Surprisingly, most people had a tiny bin in their cars so no more trash flying out of a window. It's catching on and it was evident in Bangalore. Not too sure for the rest of India but I could sense some people wanting to make change.

 

[swnjo]

Swach bharat may seem to have very good progress but just like Bangladeshs literary figure it is highy shoddy . somthing like toilet availability in a country which is deep rooted in its culture cannot be solved in such a short amount of time.
And for me such macro level development led by the government is not sustainable unless there is a serious involvement of civil society in such projects.
I dont want numbers because they are shoddy to begin with. I want to know the role and involvement of civil society during this campaign.

Will take time , but got to start from somewhere.

 

[Nilgiri]

@jamahir @baajey @ranjeet @Ryuzaki @Gibbs

https://yourstory.com/2018/06/rani-mistris-swachh-bharat/

https://www.firstpost.com/india/swa...-sanitation-revolution-in-odisha-4481119.html

 

[GodToons]

i am pretty sure i belong to the 90% category.
i live in gurgaon, supposedly a place with good infra. but if u see the public places (SEZs or MNC buildings not included), things are not very rosy. for eg. iffco chowk, hero honda chowk.....n of course the bus stand n leave the old gurgaon part. its a whole shithole in itself.

Hey lets meet sometime in Gurgaon, I am at sector10 (old gurgaon).
Things were bad, now improving. With new trash pick up vans from MCG coming twice in a day and sweeper doing daily activities. Having said that, Gurgaon 'elites' are worst case in having civil mentality. They do not bother to come to trash van to dump trash but love to throw a packet on the road while going by car. This is change management

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

i am pretty sure i belong to the 90% category.
i live in gurgaon, supposedly a place with good infra. but if u see the public places (SEZs or MNC buildings not included), things are not very rosy. for eg. iffco chowk, hero honda chowk.....n of course the bus stand n leave the old gurgaon part. its a whole shithole in itself.

I wonder how @Nilgiri can be so delusional. It's a common sense. It is such a big project and will take many years especially in a country like India which is rife with bureaucracy, red-tape and inertia.

Does he even live in India to pass judgements?