Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions

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The refining of the plane after its service entry will take years. Suffice it to say that there have been so many design and avionics modifications between the Su-27’s (NATO reporting name: Flanker) T-10 prototype made in 1977 and the final version that only the latest variant, the Su-35S (Flanker-E) included into the inventory a year before last, may be regarded as the final one. In all probability, the T-50 is facing the same future.

 

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What is the role of HAL in this program and how much % of designing share of HAL?

 

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Sixth-generation fighter elements tested on PAK FA aircraft

Separate elements of Russia’s sixth-generation fighter are already being tested on fifth-generation - Sukhoi PAK FA fighters (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation), Vladimir Mikheyev, advisor to the First Deputy Director General of Concern Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET, a subsidiary of Rostec State Corporation) told TASS in an interview on July 11.

Back in early March reports stated that work on the sixth-generation fighter aircraft had begun, with the fighter’s manned and unmanned versions under development. The fighter prototype is expected to perform its maiden flight prior to 2025. That said, KRET is currently working on electronic warfare (EW) systems for the new warplane. Meanwhile, Russia is testing the fifth-generation fighter PAK FA (also known as T-50) that had carried out its maiden flight in 2010. State tests for the T-50 are scheduled to be completed in 2016, and in 2017, followed by mass deliveries of these fighters to the army.

"Standalone solutions that will be applied in the sixth-generation fighter are now being tested on the fifth-generation jet as well as on the ground-based equipment. Separate elements of the flight and navigation system have already been installed on PAK FA", Mikheyev said.

According to him, the sixth-generation fighters will be fitted with a unified electronic warfare system, which will serve as a radar, an electronic warfare system, a data transmission system and as communications equipment. Additionally, it will function as a navigation system and as an IFF transponder.

"The PAK FA radar station should operate both as a locator and reconnaissance system, and the electronic warfare system for its part should engage in radio detection and location. That is, integration and redistribution of functions on the PAK FA is already happening," the KRET representative said.

According to him, the use of integrated avionics is tested on many aircraft. As an example, he cited the U.S. fifth-generation fighter, the F-35.

The PAK FA aircraft is a stealthy, single-seat, twin-engine jet fighter, and will be the first operational aircraft in Russian service to use stealth technology. It is a multipurpose fighter designed for the air superiority and attack roles. The fighter is planned to have super-cruise, stealth, super-maneuverability and advanced avionics to overcome the prior generation of fighter aircraft as well as ground and maritime defenses. The PAK FA is intended to be the successor to the MiG-29 and Su-27 in the Russian Air Force and serve as the basis for the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft being co-developed by Sukhoi and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for the Indian Air Force.

http://rbth.com/news/2016/07/11/sixth-generation-fighter-elements-tested-on-pak-fa-aircraft_610697

 

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Sensor fusion is just part of it all as far as I can understand F35 also incorporates quite a bit of sensor fusion plus ability for drone control from the F35, if I am not wrong.

 

[Deino]

What is the role of HAL in this program and how much % of designing share of HAL?

Is this a real question ??

Simple answer: NOTHING !

... all what India can hope for is besides paying the development and as such keeping the T50 alive is to get a fine fighter and maybe some TOT, but development work for the T50 is done and HAL was not involved not even in the smallest part and since a redesign would be prohibitive expensive the FGFA will be at best some sort of T50I.

 

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Is this a real question ??

Simple answer: NOTHING !

... all what India can hope for is besides paying the development and as such keeping the T50 alive is to get a fine fighter and maybe some TOT, but development work for the T50 is done and HAL was not involved not even in the smallest part and since a redesign would be prohibitive expensive the FGFA will be at best some sort of T50I.

Most of the software on the jet will be rewritten for FGFA. That's our source code. The cockpit has already been designed by HAL and given to the Russians long ago.

The engine and a lot of other components are yet to be built and tested. HAL's part in the program lies is the Stage 2 aspect of the PAK FA's development. The avionics for Stage 2 are yet to be developed. KRET will develop the first radar by 2018 and the Indian radar will be derived from that, and that will take 3 or 4 more years.

The T-50 has been made as an interim design so the Russians can begin replacing their Su-27s, and it looks like they won't be doing that either. There are three more variants of the PAK FA/FGFA apart from the T-50.

 

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Most of the software on the jet will be rewritten for FGFA. That's our source code. The cockpit has already been designed by HAL and given to the Russians long ago.

The engine and a lot of other components are yet to be built and tested. HAL's part in the program lies is the Stage 2 aspect of the PAK FA's development. The avionics for Stage 2 are yet to be developed. KRET will develop the first radar by 2018 and the Indian radar will be derived from that, and that will take 3 or 4 more years.

The T-50 has been made as an interim design so the Russians can begin replacing their Su-27s, and it looks like they won't be doing that either. There are three more variants of the PAK FA/FGFA apart from the T-50.

Interesting ... any info on what "are [these] three more variants of the PAK FA/FGFA apart from the T-50" ?

Besides that I agree with You that this is the PLAN ... but considering PLANS on Russian and even more Indian programs lately I'm very much sceptical and that is not meant as country-bashing but only based on observations to other programs.

 

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Interesting ... any info on what "are [these] three more variants of the PAK FA/FGFA apart from the T-50" ?

Stage 1: Current version with 117 engine. Production was cut down.
Stage 2: Upcoming version with new avionics and Type 30 engine.
FGFA: Indian version of Stage 2. It will be modified from Stage 2 and then MKIzed.
FGFA: Two seat.

This is not counting a N-PAK FA. Followed by the modernized PAK FA which will come up in 2028.

An example of upcoming avionics.
http://kret.com/en/news/10260/

Besides that I agree with You that this is the PLAN ... but considering PLANS on Russian and even more Indian programs lately I'm very much sceptical and that is not meant as country-bashing but only based on observations to other programs.

The plans have not changed much since the beginning, at least after 2010. The FGFA contract negotiations were on hold for two years to allow the progress of the T-50's development before committing. The primary reason was India had to wait for technologies for the Stage 2 program to mature. The Stage 1 program is both unimportant and irrelevant to the FGFA, although India did finally decide to use the T-50 airframe instead of a new design. So only the airframe will be the same.

 

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Interesting ... any info on what "are [these] three more variants of the PAK FA/FGFA apart from the T-50" ?

Besides that I agree with You that this is the PLAN ... but considering PLANS on Russian and even more Indian programs lately I'm very much sceptical and that is not meant as country-bashing but only based on observations to other programs.

I'd have agreed with you if we had this conversation before Su-30 MKI

 

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Radio-Electronic Technologies Concern - KRET, a subsidiary of the Rostec state corporation- is developing the Okhotnik (Hunter) video data processing system to increase the target detection range of the Sukhoi PAK FA (T-50) fifth-generation multirole fighter jet by 50-100%, according to the KRET`s press department.


"Okhotnik is planned to be integrated with the target sight optoelectronic systems of the fixed-wing/rotor-wing aircraft and other sophisticated military equipment. The system is intended for the electronic stabilization of the images and the detection/tracking of targets in automatic mode. Okhotnik increases the range of target acquisition in harsh environment by 50-100%," a KRET`s spokesperson said.

According to him, the Concern has developed over 15 variants of the Okhotnik system intended for Mi-28N 'Night Hunter' (NATO reporting name: Havoc-B), Mi-8/17 (Hip/Hip-H), and Ka-52 (Hokum-B) rotor-wing aircraft, Sukhoi multirole fighter jets, naval guns, anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) systems, and self-propelled anti-aircraft gun-missile systems (SPAAGM).

"The KRET Concern is developing video data processing hardware intended for an optoelectronic station of the PAK FA fifth-generation fighter," the official emphasized.

 

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According to the Sukhoi aircraft manufacturer, flight tests of Russia's Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA) fifth-generation fighter aircraft are at the final stage.

Flight tests of Russia's Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA) fifth-generation fighter aircraft are at the final stage, with more than 700 test flights carried out, the Sukhoi aircraft manufacturer said in an annual report on Monday.

"Prospective aviation complex of fifth generation (PAK FA) is at the final stage of its tests… More than 700 flights have been conducted. which has allowed to work out and prove sustainable characteristics of the combat aviation complex," the report obtained by RIA Novosti said.

Russia's new state-of-the-art fighter is poised and ready to be mass produced, according to the Russian newspaper Izvestia.

Russia's fifth generation T-50 fighter jet, also known as the Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAK FA), is ready for serial production, the Russian newspaper Izvestia reported.
The newspaper quoted a source in Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) as saying that UAC is preparing a preliminary report on making the initial batch of a dozen T-50 fighters for the Russian Aerospace Forces.

The eighth such plane is due to make its maiden flight in the Russian Far Eastern city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur on June 20, the source said, adding that the jet fully meets the military's combat capability requirements for fifth-generation fighter aircraft.

"It is safe to say that with this eight plane already produced, the T-50 can now been seen as a combat unit and that it is ready for mass production in the interests of the Russian Aerospace Forces," the source said.

Earlier, Russian Aerospace Forces commander Viktor Bondarev said that the supplies of the T-50s will start in 2

 

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