Su-57. Best combat plane ever built?

[SuvarnaTeja]

Any F-35A deal, however, would require the establishment of a local assembly line in India as mandated under the framework of the 2016 Indian Defense Procurement Procedure to facilitate the manufacturing of high-tech military hardware India.

As India is already engaged in co-developing and producing the Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), known in India as the Perspective Multi-role Fighter (PMF), it appears more than unlikely that the U.S. government would consent to producing the F-35A locally as it would entail transfer of sensitive military technology to India.

Modi is expert in making exceptions. Rafale is G2G deal with no local manufacturing/ToT while S-400 has no offset.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

main ne tujhy phly hi kaha apna moo band rakh tu bengali lagta hai ab monch kha or bhaaat pi saaly


bengali hi hai bachpan main kumbh ke mely se mila tha to india man rakh liya

Old habits die hard.

 

[SME11B]

To no effect. America failed to occupy an inch of Serbia land.



Doubt it. F-22 and F-35 lack Su-57's 4 faced AESA. F-22 is a mid 1990s design. F-35 is an early 2000s design. Su-57 is a mid 2000 design.

Ever heard the expression a day late and a dollar short? Just because it came out later doesn't make it the superior performer. You can't just side skirt decades of experience on your first try. That goes for J-20 and Su-57. Years from now I hope these designs come out of hiding and are finished so we can get a better idea of who's who.

A now 60 year old SAM tech took down something with a radar cross section smaller than an F-35s.

And there are doubters that an S-200 could hit an F-35 over Syria.

First where are you getting this idea that f-35 is not more stealthy than f-117? Also f-117 was tracked at relatively short range so the stealth worked more or less as advertised. You fight long enough the enemy will eventually get a hit in. It's not it's invulnerable or its shit lets use common sense. The serbs could not defend there airspace well and had to turn their radars off and let bombs drop, whether those bombs did damage or not is another discussion but I know the chinese embassy didn't appreciate it.

 

[zectech]

All I stated was radar cross section, not other stealth characteristics.

http://mil-embedded.com/guest-blogs/radar-cross-section-the-measure-of-stealth/

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

https://militaryhistorynow.com/2018...mazing-facts-about-the-f-117-stealth-fighter/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-1...esa-radar-klj-7a.458854/page-33#post-10031469

The government of Australia:

https://webcache.googleusercontent....2aeca&subId=407837+&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nl

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...subId=407837&usg=AOvVaw2md03Oyb1sSeuTnl-1ZScO

 

[manga]

fyi I think @Skull and Bones is a Bangladeshi false flagger in the US.

So a false flagger is calling names now ?

 

[SME11B]

All I stated was radar cross section, not other stealth characteristics.

http://mil-embedded.com/guest-blogs/radar-cross-section-the-measure-of-stealth/

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

https://militaryhistorynow.com/2018...mazing-facts-about-the-f-117-stealth-fighter/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-1...esa-radar-klj-7a.458854/page-33#post-10031469

The government of Australia:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tIH--MFHzXsJ:https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=cafb27be-b52e-4614-aa64-f2782942aeca&subId=407837+&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nl

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=20&ved=2ahUKEwio3MON-M3eAhVH_ywKHQViDXk4ChAWMAl6BAgHEAI&url=https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=cafb27be-b52e-4614-aa64-f2782942aeca&subId=407837&usg=AOvVaw2md03Oyb1sSeuTnl-1ZScO

 

[Yaseen1]

India is a scavvengar which picks up obsolete discarded waste of world powers in terms of defense technology

 

[SME11B]

All I stated was radar cross section, not other stealth characteristics.

http://mil-embedded.com/guest-blogs/radar-cross-section-the-measure-of-stealth/

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

https://militaryhistorynow.com/2018...mazing-facts-about-the-f-117-stealth-fighter/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-1...esa-radar-klj-7a.458854/page-33#post-10031469

The government of Australia:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tIH--MFHzXsJ:https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=cafb27be-b52e-4614-aa64-f2782942aeca&subId=407837+&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nl

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=20&ved=2ahUKEwio3MON-M3eAhVH_ywKHQViDXk4ChAWMAl6BAgHEAI&url=https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=cafb27be-b52e-4614-aa64-f2782942aeca&subId=407837&usg=AOvVaw2md03Oyb1sSeuTnl-1ZScO

It doens't appear to be much difference either way, f-35 will have much better speed, much better weapons, and the best avionics and sensors of any fighter. F-117 didn't have defensive avionics and air to air missiles. Stealth is the only way it compares to f-35.

 

[ptldM3]

Dude do some research on BVRs. Seeing first doesn’t mean going down first. Rest keep your brain farts to yourself.

Yes, education me, I'm so ignorant in the subject. I must have had brain farts in the past when I described how it worked. The problem with legacy aircraft versus 'stealth' is that one sees the other while the other doesn't even know the enemy is out there, even if an F-16 would Detect the SU-57 and come within comfortable range to fire its missiles the other problem with actually be getting a lock on.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

So a false flagger is calling names now ?

So a guy with 276 posts would now defend another with a higher post count. Wonderful. Did it occur to you that may have to first prove yourself before trying to defend others.

 

[manga]

So a guy with 276 posts would now defend another with a higher post count. Wonderful. Did it occur to you that may have to first prove yourself before trying to defend others.

No one needs to prove anything to false flagger. You are not worth it.

 

[gambit]

Troll thread. Nothing more. The Su-57 maybe a great design with features desirable by many air forces, but the program failed to live up to expectations, which were set by the Americans, like it or not.

 

[Shah_G]

Yes, education me, I'm so ignorant in the subject. I must have had brain farts in the past when I described how it worked. The problem with legacy aircraft versus 'stealth' is that one sees the other while the other doesn't even know the enemy is out there, even if an F-16 would Detect the SU-57 and come within comfortable range to fire its missiles the other problem with actually be getting a lock on.

Yea, and any skilled pilot will use cannon. F-16 took out F 35 during excersie so i speaks volume. And I’m not a teacher here unless you payin you gotta get educated by yourself.

 

[LeGenD]

This is not true, the aircraft already far exceeds the SU-30 in pretty much everything and in many areas outperforms the F-35 and F-22 in areas such as range, the ability to fire long range cruise missiles, maneuverability, and so on.

You sure about this? Do not push your luck in this kind of discussion.

SU-57 does not outperform F-35 and F-22 in "many areas." The latter two are relatively superior LO designs (all aspects of LO from the structure of airframe to the characteristics of components), and have sensor capabilities which are not matched by any other aircraft in existence. For instance, F-35 humiliate all in the IRST department alone: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/irst-compasrion.573290/#post-10860229

Let us just say that SU-57 is a notable advancement from SU-30, and cap the discussion at this point.

 

[ptldM3]

You sure about this? Do not push your luck in this kind of discussion.

SU-57 does not outperform F-35 and F-22 in "many areas." The latter two are relatively superior LO designs (all aspects of LO from the structure of airframe to the characteristics of components), and have sensor capabilities which are not matched by any other aircraft in existence. For instance, F-35 humiliate all in the IRST department alone: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/irst-compasrion.573290/#post-10860229

Let us just say that SU-57 is a notable advancement from SU-30, and cap the discussion at this point.

Yea, I'm positive about that unless aircraft like the F-35 suddenly somehow had its range increased, or somehow now holds cruise missiles internally that allows 300km standoff range or somehow now has super cruise or somehow now has thrust vectoring engines and an all around better maneuverability. All those things I mentioned are clearly advantages in favor of the SU-57.


As for sensor capabilities that are "unmatched" you know nothing about the SU-57 or its capabilities so that statement is intellectually dishonest and blatantly naive. It's "stealth" is so far unknown but simple physical optics simulations from various sources demonstrate the aircraft has comparable RCS in some angles to its contemporary rivals.

Yea, and any skilled pilot will use cannon. F-16 took out F 35 during excersie so i speaks volume. And I’m not a teacher here unless you payin you gotta get educated by yourself.

The SU-57 is not the F-35 and is in fact considered far superior in maneuverability to the F-35. F-16 vs F-35 were most likely WVR combat. You are again missing the point, a good pilot alone is not enough to take out aircraft like the F-35, F-22 or SU-57. Its possible but unlikely that legacy aircraft would shoot down the above mentioned aircraft unless there was seriously flawed mission planning, numerical disidvantages and no AWACS assets.

Troll thread. Nothing more. The Su-57 maybe a great design with features desirable by many air forces, but the program failed to live up to expectations, which were set by the Americans, like it or not.

I have never hear any of the various SU-57 engineers say this, nor have the test pilots or anyone relevant. In fact it's designers believe it's one of the most dominant aircraft in the world that combines unique capabilities, some of which are not found on either F-22 or F-35.