Su-57. Best combat plane ever built?

[SuvarnaTeja]

They are building Tejas for longer than my age.

 

[war&peace]

@Imran Khan he got me.

Are you from Bd?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

@Imran Khan he got me.

 

[SME11B]

No country operates F-117. It retired after shot down in Serbia by 1960s SAM.

Lucky shot, F-117 dropped plenty of bombs though.

Su-57 is not for export. If Indians want to build a plane just as good, then they build themselves.



Nope. F-22 is early to mid 90s design. Su-57 has 4 faced AESA. Far more capable.

There is reason to believe that Su-57 not only has far inferior stealth but that those radars will not make up the difference. Russia's AESA specs on other radars are not too impressive compared to the best and I don't know where china compares. APG-77 has F-35 tech inserted.

India is not buying F-16. Not now. Not ever.

They should totally buy our second hand f-16's they are good enough for taiwan and better than tejas. They would be cheaper than Rafeal also.

This is not true, the aircraft already far exceeds the SU-30 in pretty much everything and in many areas outperforms the F-35 and F-22 in areas such as range, the ability to fire long range cruise missiles, maneuverability, and so on. Now the question is, what "parameters" did the Indians have in mind when the SU-57 far excels in roles compared to its peers. If Indians weren't satisfied with the SU-57s range and strike capability then they live in fantasy land because India, nor anyone else has come close to building a fighter that provides the range, ground strike versatility, maneuverability and low observability that the SU-57 offers. The only way the Indians are getting better range is if they use TU-95s or purchase B-52s, they probably won't find and can build anything more maneuverable and they won't be getting or building anything more 'stealthy' themselves.

In all honesty an Intergalactic spaceship that would travel at light speed and shoot lasers would not meet Indias needs. They complained about every aircraft, be it Rafale, Typhoon and everything in between. The Indian baureocrats have embarrassed themselves and chased off some of the leading aircraft manufacturers in the world with their ridiculous demands and endless complaints, some of which have leaked to media, which was extremely negligent and unprofessional. It's equivalent to a famous celebrity sighning a deal with with Lamborghini or Rolls Roys and then leaking to the press how those vehicles are not good enough for them, how they want a faster and more luxurious vehicle. Of course most of those manufactures will distance themselves if not sue for defamation.

F-22/35 appear to be much more stealthy and their avionics and sensors are probably much better also. Su-57 may have more range and a little more agility than f-22 but I would rather be the guy who sees teh enemy first and lets the missile do the turning

India wants technology and not planes and machines

They could go the china route and steal and copy as much tech as they can but they have to sort their corrupt government out first.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Are you from Bd?

 

[AMCA]

India was in deal for watered down version of SU-57 called FGFA. It pulled out out of that deal after the US put pressure on India to buy F-16s instead. Hope it is clear for you now.

India pulled out for F-16? We aint that stupid mate !

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

India pulled out for F-16? We aint that stupid mate !

It was long story short.

US said that it would offer F-35 only if India pulls out of FGFA.

Now the catch is US wants India to induct F-16 now to get F-35 after 2030 once the current F-35 customer backlog have been fulfilled.

 

[AMCA]

It was long story short.

US said that it would offer F-35 only if India pulls out of FGFA.

Now the catch is US wants India to induct F-16 now to get F-35 after 2030 once the current F-35 customer backlog have been fulfilled.

But India never wanted F-35 in the first place ! Why would India need the F-35's when it does not offer any value to the Indian Industry? India is no bully that it could be pulled out of such deals at anyone's will.

 

[Shah_G]

F-16 pilot will use the power of will to overpower SU-57 pilot, putting him in a state of hypnosis (x-men stuff) in which he will see the F-16 but will not fire first, or better yet F-16 pilot will disable the SU-57 radar with mind control. The F-16 pilot will then get into range, fire its missiles while still overpowering the SU-57 pilot with mind control. Normally the SU-57 pilots would execute evasive maneuvers and deploy counter measures but remember, the pilot would still be subsurviant to the F-16 flyer.

Dude do some research on BVRs. Seeing first doesn’t mean going down first. Rest keep your brain farts to yourself.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

But India never wanted F-35 in the first place ! Why would India need the F-35's when it does not offer any value to the Indian Industry? India is no bully that it could be pulled out of such deals at anyone's will.

Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
Is the Indian military interested in procuring the F-35A Lightning II from the US?

By Franz-Stefan Gady
February 16, 2018

https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/rep...assified-f-35a-joint-strike-fighter-briefing/

How will you report to the station in Pakistan when @Imran Khan tries to prove your identity to the authorities?

@war&peace

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Lucky shot, F-117 dropped plenty of bombs though.

To no effect. America failed to occupy an inch of Serbia land.

F-22/35 appear to be much more stealthy and their avionics and sensors are probably much better also.

Doubt it. F-22 and F-35 lack Su-57's 4 faced AESA. F-22 is a mid 1990s design. F-35 is an early 2000s design. Su-57 is a mid 2000 design.

 

[Imran Khan]

@Imran Khan he got me.

main ne tujhy phly hi kaha apna moo band rakh tu bengali lagta hai ab monch kha or bhaaat pi saaly

Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
Is the Indian military interested in procuring the F-35A Lightning II from the US?

By Franz-Stefan Gady
February 16, 2018

https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/rep...assified-f-35a-joint-strike-fighter-briefing/



How will you report to the station in Pakistan when @Imran Khan tries to prove your identity to the authorities?

@war&peace

bengali hi hai bachpan main kumbh ke mely se mila tha to india man rakh liya

 

[zectech]

To no effect. America failed to occupy an inch of Serbia land.

A now 60 year old SAM tech took down something with a radar cross section smaller than an F-35s.

And there are doubters that an S-200 could hit an F-35 over Syria.

 

[AMCA]

Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
Is the Indian military interested in procuring the F-35A Lightning II from the US?

By Franz-Stefan Gady
February 16, 2018

https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/rep...assified-f-35a-joint-strike-fighter-briefing/



How will you report to the station in Pakistan when @Imran Khan tries to prove your identity to the authorities?

@war&peace

Any F-35A deal, however, would require the establishment of a local assembly line in India as mandated under the framework of the 2016 Indian Defense Procurement Procedure to facilitate the manufacturing of high-tech military hardware India.

As India is already engaged in co-developing and producing the Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), known in India as the Perspective Multi-role Fighter (PMF), it appears more than unlikely that the U.S. government would consent to producing the F-35A locally as it would entail transfer of sensitive military technology to India.

 

[zectech]

India can have s-400s and f-35s, but if those turks have s-400s and f-35s it is the end of the world to trump.