Stupid :Why China is progressed more than India according to Rahul Gandhi

[shiv]

someone give that rabid dog trolling on this thread some bread !

 

[ZYXW]

I agree with this guy.....check this out!

Why Rahul Gandhi has understood the chaos of India - Livemint

@anonymus @Dillinger @Ayush @MST @kurup

hes already a vice president of ruling party which was elected 2 times continuously now..what more he wants??he need not be a pm to prove his abilities.

He has...so then people should stop complaining about him not seizing the opportunities and trying to prove himself. It's just that people seem to get mad when he goes try and when he doesn't.

 

[ZYXW]

His party is in the govt for last9 years. Any ministry is his for the taking. The PM has repeatedly invited him to join the cabinet. If he did not take the chance for 9 years why should we give him one now? Just because he is a Gandhi ?

No maybe now he is ready and before he wasn't.... you guys use his name against him wayyy too much!

 

[anonymus]

I agree with this guy.....check this out!

Why Rahul Gandhi has understood the chaos of India - Livemint

@anonymus @Dillinger @Ayush @MST @kurup



He has...so then people should stop complaining about him not seizing the opportunities and trying to prove himself. It's just that people seem to get mad when he goes try and when he doesn't.

This is the text of link that you posted.

I think Rahul Gandhi has made the most mature and intelligent political speech from an Indian leader in 30 years. I don’t think his father ever had this quality of penetration into India. That explains Rajiv Gandhi’s bewilderment at why he could change India little and perhaps not at all despite sitting on the biggest majority in our history (over 400 seats).
One reason is because Rajiv spent little time in rural India, as his grandfather had done with Mahatma Gandhi. At 40, he was prime minister when two years younger than his son is today, and far less knowledgeable than him about the ways of India.
There are two things that stand out in the speech. The first is Rahul’s recognition of the chaos of India, for which he used the image of the beehive. I think this is wonderful realism, and excellent imagery.
We cannot look on ourselves as a normal state and a normal culture given the levels of chaos, if not anarchy, around us. For most of us, even observing this is not possible, let alone accepting it. In this view, we are just like any other society, actually better, but our bad leaders have ruined it all. This is incorrect.
One of my favourite books is Maurice Maeterlinck’s Life of the Bee. To appreciate Rahul’s beehive parallel, see how Maeterlinck’s observations describe our society and the culture of our cities:
“The first impression (of someone observing a beehive) will be one of some disappointment. He had been told that it contained an unparalleled activity, an infinite number of wise laws, and a startling amalgam of mystery, experience, genius, calculation, science, of various industries, of certitude and prescience, of intelligent habits and curious feelings and virtues.” However, Maeterlinck continues, “All that he sees is a confused mass...their movements are slow, incoherent, and incomprehensible.”
Could the romance of India and its reality be better juxtaposed?
There’s more: “The bee is above all, and even to a greater extent than the ant, a creature of the crowd. She can live only in the midst of a multitude. When she leaves the hive, which is so densely packed that she has to force her way with blows of her head through the living walls that enclose her, she departs from her proper element.”
Again, for me, an excellent account of how Indians are.
Maeterlinck tells us to “not too hastily deduce from these facts conclusions that apply to man. He possesses the power of withstanding certain of nature’s laws.”
Clearly, the Belgian aristocrat did not have the opportunity to observe us.
The other thing that Rahul says, and it will deflate most of the middle class, is that our problems are not about to be resolved by the man on horseback.
A strongman, no matter how strong, no matter how well-meaning, no matter how efficient, cannot change culture. This can only be done from the inside, not externally.
But the attraction of the strongman as a quick solution is universal and eternal. It is the common man of Rome who voted Julius Caesar dictator (it is the refined aristocrats of the Senate, bless them, who despatched him). It is the bazari, the pious shopkeeper of Tehran, whose rebellion demanded that Ayatollah Khomeini return as tyrant.
These two observations tell us Rahul’s time in rural India has served him well. He has learned the limits of what the state can do to make India more livable. He has discovered an essential truth about India.
Critics of Rahul’s speech, my friend The Indian Express editor Shekhar Gupta is one, hold his political failures against him. It is true that Rahul is a political failure, both in Uttar Pradesh as well as in Bihar, the state where, Gupta points out, Rahul campaigned on homilies, banalities and, “Congress lost its deposits in 221 of 243 seats”.
Political success in India, particularly in Bihar, comes from tribalism and caste. There is no research to show that Nitish Kumar, the chief minister, has won his elections for anything other than bringing together castes through his alliance of socialists with Hindutva.
There is zero evidence to show that the Congress lost because of Rahul’s message, but let us accept he is a failure in politics. In any case that isn’t what his speech was about. He was describing to us fundamental aspects of India. If we accept his interpretation, we have to look at the problem differently than in terms of broad solutions coming to us through politics and elections and governance.
By most accounts, Rahul’s speech was a flop. It was like a good movie that flops. The content is rich and deep and may cause you to introspect. The audience, however, is seeking entertainment, and anticipates the hero on horseback coming to save the day.

What is the thing that you found noteworthy in this link?

This article is an exercise in sycophancy.It tried to justify a disastrous comparison with metaphysical gibberish.

His father Rajiv turned out to be a failure because he too was planted as PM of India because of his surname not merit.

The content were neither rich nor deep and he proved to his shallow understanding in matters related to china.

Exclusivity is the shield that every incompetent administrator has wielded in history to cover his shortcomings. As @muse has stated earlier, we on subcontinent suffer from delusions of our exclusivity resulting in us ignoring basics of governance and economics.

 

[ZYXW]

Thanks for tagging me in your analysis, it was a good one and as @Dillinger said we do not need any thing more to explain why Rahul Gandhi should be excommunicated from Indian polity.

On a side note, I think you got my handle wrong






Its good to see Pakistanis taking genuine interest in our politics.

However, being a democracy does not mean that one has to make the processes of doing business in India so complex that some people get scared and some people loose hope.




Where is he coming from, the Gandhi family? Should it be so easy for a person in the Gandhi family to pole-vault into the PM race and leave behind so many people who have given their life for the country? Two of my most respected leaders are from Congress(Not technically now), Pranab Mukherjee and Chidambaram, I feel that they have achieved more than any one in Congress despite their differences. Rahul was born with a silver spoon and I do not blame him but this aint his family business, he needs to have solid credentials, despite being the blue-eyed boy of congress and in politics for 10 years he has not achieved anything worth mentioning. I do not have faith in the unknown, congress is not mine and should not be any Indian's religion.

How is he different?

Criticizing because he has pole-vaulted into the PM race without breaking a sweat, should it be that simple for a leader?
@arp2041, I believe @anonymus is right, we would not have seen so much participation if posted in the sticky. Maybe we can start threads like this and ask mods to merge once critical momentum is achieved in the discussion? @Dillinger

But now that he is trying ot present his idea, everyone seems to be using his past, his name and eveyrthing against him. Give him some credit, he is trying. I don't believe that the man is a stupid as he is put out to be. If you just listen to him without any bias, he isn't that unreasonable. Yes, I diagree with some of his ideas, but it's unjust to take all the credit away from him.

We have that problem in the US too....democracy and the constant bureaucratic bickering does indeed seem to slow progress though

 

[Soumitra]

He has...so then people should stop complaining about him not seizing the opportunities and trying to prove himself. It's just that people seem to get mad when he goes try and when he doesn't.

We want him to take up a ministry. We dont have any problem if he takes the power which currently he can as he is democratically elected member of the ruling party. What we have the problem is his power without responsibility. He has all the power and no accountability. He should exercise the power and also be accountable and responsible for his actions.

 

[ZYXW]

This is the text of link that you posted.



What is the thing that you found noteworthy in this link?

perfect balance of criticism and praise in my opinion......which is hardly ever the case with RG lol

 

[Sedqal]

Look guys ISI has decided Rahul Gandhi will be your new PM, nothing is going to change that

 

[Soumitra]

No maybe now he is ready and before he wasn't.... you guys use his name against him wayyy too much!

So he was not ready to be even a minister for 9 years and suddenly he is ready to become the PM.

And regarding using his name against him he is famous only because of his name. other wise he is just an MP. How is he different from the 542 other MPs?

Look guys ISI has decided Rahul Gandhi will be your new PM, nothing is going to change that

We are not Bangladeshis who believe that external intelligence agencies control our politics. ISI does terrorism and proxy war. they cant dabble in indian democracy. We can and will kick out the non performing govt.

 

[ZYXW]

So he was not ready to be even a minister for 9 years and suddenly he is ready to become the PM.

And regarding using his name against him he is famous only because of his name. other wise he is just an MP. How is he different from the 542 other MPs?



We are not Bangladeshis who believe that external intelligence agencies control our politics. ISI does terrorism and proxy war. they cant dabble in indian democracy. We can and will kick out the non performing govt.

You tell me though. It is the indian public which elected a government that gave him all that importance because of his name. Now is it really his fault, any person who sees that people are doing that would be happy. But he hasn't used his name. He could have gotten so many positions with it, but he didn't.

We want him to take up a ministry. We dont have any problem if he takes the power which currently he can as he is democratically elected member of the ruling party. What we have the problem is his power without responsibility. He has all the power and no accountability. He should exercise the power and also be accountable and responsible for his actions.

But that means you guys as a country need to work on establishing a system which will hold him accountable, not take the chance away from him

 

[Sashan]

You tell me though. It is the indian public which elected a government that gave him all that importance because of his name. Now is it really his fault, any person who sees that people are doing that would be happy. But he hasn't used his name. He could have gotten so many positions with it, but he didn't.

Here is a part of the response which I provided in another thread but would fit here.

This is also the drawback of democracy as well. India post independence always had a significant percentage of poor illiterate people who voted for superficial reasons. And the socialistic economy of India did not help. This situaion made many middle class people lose come confidence as they stayed from voting. And the situation post independence when Congress was the only major political party did not help. Also the print media was dominated by so called pseudo intellectuals who was able to manipulate opinions in a big way.


- Having stated that, I think this guy understands his limitations and so hesitant to take over but the chamchas around him will psychologically force him to come to power at some point.

 

[anonymus]

perfect balance of criticism and praise in my opinion......which is hardly ever the case with RG lol

@ZYXW

He comes under sharp criticism from people who don't like him because his goons has butchered the democratic space that is there for criticizing leaders. News channels which have aired views contrary to him have been hounded using government machinery.

Congress uses taxpayer money to provide saturation coverage for first family while his only merit is that he is son of rajiv and grandson of Indira.

Thus it is a natural reaction of people who after reading paid news about him regularly comes across such pearls of wisdom emanating from his mouth.

I have edited my post that you have quoted.

 

[ZYXW]

Here is a part of the response which I provided in another thread but would fit here.

This is also the drawback of democracy as well. India post independence always had a significant percentage of poor illiterate people who voted for superficial reasons. And the socialistic economy of India did not help. This situaion made many middle class people lose come confidence as they stayed from voting. And the situation post independence when Congress was the only major political party did not help. Also the print media was dominated by so called pseudo intellectuals who was able to manipulate opinions in a big way.


- Having stated that, I think this guy understands his limitations and so hesitant to take over but the chamchas around him will psychologically force him to come to power at some point.

Thank you, that is exactly what I am saying. It's not him, but all those around him......he really seems to be holding himself back even with his name and wealth and power.

yeah I get you....."ignorant people cannot rule themselves" - education is the key to a functiioning democracy. Look at Pakistan, similar issue.

 

[ZYXW]

@ZYXW

He comes under sharp criticism from people who don't like him because his goons has butchered the democratic space that is there for criticizing leaders. News channels which have aired views contrary to him have been hounded using government machinery.

Congress uses taxpayer money to provide saturation coverage for first family while his only merit is that he is son of rajiv and grandson of Indira.

Thus it is a natural reaction of people who after reading paid news about him regularly comes across such pearls of wisdom emanating from his mouth.

I have edited my post that you have quoted.

hahahahahaha im glad you better!!

i get it, i can see why lolol just i am very fond of him. i feel like he is so innocent lol

 

[MST]

I agree with this guy.....check this out!

Why Rahul Gandhi has understood the chaos of India - Livemint

@anonymus @Dillinger @Ayush @MST @kurup



He has...so then people should stop complaining about him not seizing the opportunities and trying to prove himself. It's just that people seem to get mad when he goes try and when he doesn't.

Aakar Patel (who wrote that article) is a well known Modi Hater.

Even if you put a donkey in place of Rahul Gandhi Aakar Patel will find enough masala to write a 2000 word article even though the donkey may have only spoken two words that is Dhanchu Dhanchu...

Let me put you in few lines the whole story of Rahul Gandhi.

A prince born in a royal family surrounded by sycophants all his life, in Power and ruling by proxy for the last 9 years, instead of taking the resoponsibility of the failed Govt run by him and his mother is preaching everyone about how bad the system and society is. People like these are nothing but aristocrats who are full of hypocracy, reading from text written by someone else, dressed up to create a public image and at the same time preaching everyone else as if they are second class citizen.

Its like tomorrow Bilawal Bhutto comes to Pakistan and start preaching to all Pakistanis how fucked up they are, how they haven't achieved anything, how India is a Tiger and we are Ants, how Pakistanis need to change, how they should stop corruption, tax evasion and so on so forth. Multiply this Idiocy by 5 and you will have the true face of Rahul Gandhi. Infact Bilawal Bhutto can be forgiven since he has never been in Politics.