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State Department Reprimanded Pakistan for Misusing F-16s, Document Shows

India hired lobbying forms to do this job, so they are doing it.
Question is, Pakistan knows since long time how Indians behave, what Pak is doing to counter these things....

State Dept refused to comment, but anonymous person giving details.....always same Indian style BS...
 
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There are people here who want to suck more Americans dunda. F16 saga should be put to an end. Focus on jf17 block 3 and azm
 
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There are people here who want to suck more Americans dunda. F16 saga should be put to an end. Focus on jf17 block 3 and azm
What surprises me is after all this blackmailing from muricans some people still are talking about Block 70s and V-updates. The nations die for their honour. We have somehow learnt to live without it. I have put it earlier as well; a relatively inferior weapon with a reliable supply chain is better than having a superior weapon with an unreliable supply chain.
 
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i think we should move one f16 to china for reverse engineering if u.s not change their hostile unjust stance
 
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A retired personnel is all what he can do as being available to be hired by some lobbies and he will be issuing press release in personal capacity. In reality, Americans were at the base and even had sweets for PAF. Such kind of personal opinions are merely to push India for F-21. In-fact, doesn't matter. We just recently signed millions $ worth security contract. However, it is a good food of a day for Indian Lobbies.
 
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Any Pakistani general or air marshal who advises to buy US weapons in future shud b shot for treason
Brilliant & Fascinating choice of words.

Perhaps a stroll down GHQ & sharing your thoughts will do wonders for your.

Good Luck.
India hired lobbying forms to do this job, so they are doing it.
State Dept refused to comment, but anonymous person giving details.....always same Indian style BS...
Well put. And before any other one could pick it up, India Today ran the story early morning.
Gradually, we are getting rid of US arms dependency.
Really? Okay, i'm not sure how you came to that conclusion...
There are people here who want to suck more Americans dunda. F16 saga should be put to an end. Focus on jf17 block 3 and azm
Regardless of what you & I think - our opinions and/or advice won't be taken by the Military Heads. And i'm certain they know whats good for their respective forces (Army, Navy and Air Force) - better than you or I.

As for the 'F-16 Saga'... Do you need to be reminded that today you're on your high horse speaking of the events in February because of that very equipment. Now the Thunders may have gotten a Lock/Tone on a number of IAF intruders, but not a single SD-10 was launched. Had the F-16 not been in our inventory, we'd be seeing more Balakots through out the year.

The enemy knows what to fear. And the fear of God has gone to their heads (-courtesy of the Vipers).

Yeah, the JF-17 is a great jet & the Block III will boost our Air Force, but there is no doubt the backbone is still the Fighting Falcon.

That being said, we shouldn't stop developing or producing the JF-17.

As for Project AZM. I stay far away from that topic altogether.
 
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This statement is coming out very late. There are US personnel deployed on PAF bases responsible for F-16s "protection of technology".
They have tech reps mostly for the air to air missiles. But when it comes to PAF operations, they have no say at all. They are just there for support. If PAF wants to take the Viper for a ride to Singapore, there is no objection to it. Certain terms need to be respected such as not giving access to the PLAAF during exercises as an example.

Brilliant & Fascinating choice of words.

Perhaps a stroll down GHQ & sharing your thoughts will do wonders for your.

Good Luck.

Well put. And before any other one could pick it up, India Today ran the story early morning.

Really? Okay, i'm not sure how you came to that conclusion...

Regardless of what you & I think - our opinions and/or advice won't be taken by the Military Heads. And i'm certain they know whats good for their respective forces (Army, Navy and Air Force) - better than you or I.

As for the 'F-16 Saga'... Do you need to be reminded that today you're on your high horse speaking of the events in February because of that very equipment. Now the Thunders may have gotten a Lock/Tone on a number of IAF intruders, but not a single SD-10 was launched. Had the F-16 not been in our inventory, we'd be seeing more Balakots through out the year.

The enemy knows what to fear. And the fear of God has gone to their heads (-courtesy of the Vipers).

Yeah, the JF-17 is a great jet & the Block III will boost our Air Force, but there is no doubt the backbone is still the Fighting Falcon.

That being said, we shouldn't stop developing or producing the JF-17.

As for Project AZM. I stay far away from that topic altogether.
The Viper helped more than it could in the Soviet Afghan war....until today. Thunder or not, it is the best available platform for the air force.
 
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A retired personnel is all what he can do as being available to be hired by some lobbies and he will be issuing press release in personal capacity. In reality, Americans were at the base and even had sweets for PAF. Such kind of personal opinions are merely to push India for F-21. In-fact, doesn't matter. We just recently signed millions $ worth security contract. However, it is a good food of a day for Indian Lobbies.
Wouldn't the wise thing to do is close this 5th generation war thread? This is NOT the first time this very topic has been floated. Unfortunately people are once again falling for this trap.
 
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Indians are very smart than us at least choosing in fighter jets, in-spite of strategic partnership, Indians still refuse to buy jets from USA as they knew USA jets always come with lot of if and butts
 
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A State Department letter details American concerns about how Pakistan fielded fighter jets after a skirmish with India over Kashmir.

By Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security Dec. 11, 2019, at 5:54 p.m.

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American officials allege the Pakistani air force used U.S.-supplied F-16 fighter jets in ways that violated the terms of the two countries' agreement in early 2019. AAMIR QURESHI/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES

A TOP AMERICAN DIPLOMAT sent a written reprimand to the chiefs of the Pakistani air force in August accusing them of misusing U.S.-supplied F-16 fighter jets and jeopardizing their shared security, according to documents obtained by U.S. News.

The communication came months after India claimed one such F-16 shot down one of its fighter jets during a days-long skirmish in February over the contested region of Kashmir, which would amount to a fundamental violation by Pakistan of the terms governing the sale of its U.S. fighter jets and a dangerous form of military escalation among nuclear powers.

A source who viewed the August letter, written by Andrea Thompson, then-undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs, says it serves as a direct response to U.S. concerns about the F-16 use over Kashmir in February, though the letter itself does not specifically reference the incident.

Addressed to the head of the Pakistani air force, Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan, the letter began by relaying the State Department's confirmation that Pakistan had moved the F-16s and accompanying American-made missiles to unapproved forward operating bases in defiance of its agreement with the U.S. Using diplomatic language, Thompson, who has since left government, warned the Pakistanis that their behavior risked allowing these weapons to fall into the hands of malign actors and "could undermine our shared security platforms and infrastructures."

The letter represents the first admission since February from the U.S. of its concerns about how Pakistan used its fleet of F-16s in stark violation of the original terms of the sale. A State Department spokeswoman said in March that the department acknowledged the Indian reports of Pakistan's misusing the fighters in the February skirmish, adding "we're following that issue very closely."

The State Department declined to respond to questions on the record. An official speaking on the condition of anonymity said the department as a matter of policy does not comment publicly "on the contents of bilateral agreements involving U.S. defense technologies, nor the communications we have about them."

The Pakistani Embassy in Washington, D.C. did not respond to requests for comment.

Several diplomatic officials and analysts with experience in Pakistan say it is not surprising that Thompson did not expressly mention in the message U.S. concerns about using the F-16s to shoot down the Indian fighter jet. Acknowledging in a formal State Department transmission such a clear violation of the congressionally approved terms for selling the fighter jets to Pakistan would likely have triggered formal procedures to reprimand Islamabad at a time the Trump administration is attempting to repair contentious relations with the ally.

Thompson, a career military intelligence officer who first entered the administration as Vice President Mike Pence's national security adviser, admonished Pakistan in the letter for having "relocated, maintained and operated" the American made F-16s and the AMRAAM missiles they use from forward operating bases not approved under the original terms of the sale. The former Army colonel, who left the White House in September, also expressed concern at the access Pakistani officials allowed American weapons inspectors.

"While we understand from you that these aircraft movements were done in support of national defense objectives," Thompson wrote in the letter, "the U.S. government considers the relocation of aircraft to non-U.S. government authorized bases concerning and inconsistent with the F-16 Letter of Offer and Acceptance."

"Such actions could subject sensitive U.S.-technologies to diversion to or access by third parties, and could undermine our shared security platforms and infrastructures," Thompson wrote.

A flare-up in military tensions between Pakistan and India began in mid-February, after a Pakistani militant group claimed credit for a suicide bombing in Kashmir that killed 40 Indian security personnel. India has consistently claimed that Pakistan uses militants to destabilize the region, which Pakistan and India have each claimed since they were separated by partition in 1947.

The subsequent tensions escalated as both countries deployed fighter jets, and in one dogfight an Indian plane was shot down. Its pilot landed in Pakistani territory and was imprisoned until his release in March. On Feb. 28, the Indian government presented evidence it says showed Pakistani jets fired AMRAAM missiles at the Indian planes.

The Pakistani armed forces possess 76 American-supplied F-16s – by far the most potent fighter jet in its military arsenal. Pakistan first began receiving the plane in 1982 and maintains them under strict rules imposed by the State Department, the Department of Defense and Congress. Among the rules are that Islamabad may only house the fighters and the corresponding American missiles on two specific air force bases at Mushaf and Shahbaz and that it only uses them for counter-terror operations, not against foreign countries.

The agreement for their sale and subsequent operation, governed in part by the State Department's Defense Security Cooperation Agency, also stipulates that American contractors and mechanics must have access to the jets at any time of day or night both to help maintain them and to monitor how the Pakistani military employs them.

The agency in July – weeks before Thompson's letter – re-approved the terms for these monitors, known as Technical Security Teams, at a cost of $125 million.

"This proposed sale will support the foreign policy and national security of the United States by protecting U.S. technology through the continued presence of U.S. personnel that provide 24/7 end-use monitoring," the agency wrote in a statement announcing the renewed contract, which must receive congressional approval.

Those who track aerial combat in the region and the weapons used for it aren't surprised that Pakistan would risk being caught violating its agreement with the U.S. when it regards an issue as hotly contested as Kashmir.

"Given how volatile the situation was, it was important for both sides not to lose face in getting their plane shot down," says Karl Kaltenthaler, a professor at the University of Akron. "It makes sense that Pakistan would do that, but it was at the potential cost of getting called out by the U.S. for using the weapons platform that way. For the Pakistanis, this is how they operate."

In her letter, Thompson raised concerns about American access to the bases and the U.S.-made equipment there. She said it had been four years since Office of Defense Representative–Pakistan – the office that carries out defense cooperation with partner countries – had been allowed to perform an assessment of the security vulnerabilities on the Pakistani bases.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...n-in-august-for-misusing-f-16s-document-shows

Americans think we are stupid? :)

What a beautiful pic!!
 
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