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Stalin killed Netaji, Subramanian Swamy says

No Pakistani members are answering this question. I want to ask the Pakistani members what their history books says about Subash Bose? And is it mentioned somewhere in their school text books and what they personally think of him if only they know about him!! Good or Bad?

@Gufi @Horus @That Guy @RescueRanger @AUz @cb4 @Donatello and others
Does it matter what Pakistanis think? He was an Indian nationalist, and fought for such a thing. If alive, he would be a part of modern day India, so it is up to Indians to decide what they think of this man.
 
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Swamy is the best lonewolf politician in India. Unfortunately for him and fortunately for India politics is a game of packs, not for lonewolves.

Now with his kichdi, GOI will be forced to release the files. :yahoo:
 
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I have already posted the January 23, 1971 news report for the first one.

For the second one, there are many links like these below:

YOU ARE KINDLY REQUESTED TO ORGANIZE THE MEETING AT YOUR DESIRED DESTINATION BY BECOMING THE SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE MISSION TO SAVE MY NATION.docx - Google Docs

Mukherjee Commission and the Mystery of Netaji’s Disappearence

I also hope that you understand internet links are new phenomena, and you have to go to a good library to access many of the old reports.

Both reports you posted are emails .

they do have lot of details such as specific dates , names , places mentioned which could have been easily verified .

off course from the very language of those reports it seems that the very commissions which were constituted to find the truth were biased and therefore were not interested in investigating the truth .

The posts also not put question mark on credibility of Mr Nehru but also Me sravapali Radhakrishnan who is portrayed to be accomplice in process of suppression of truth about Netaji ?

so what are your thoughts about it ?

It is clear that the truth has been vitiated to the extent that there is little to rely on anything .

I have no wherewithal to verify and cross examine all those superb details provided . and if commission did not do that I do not know who else can do that .

I however will not draw any conclusions based on these two individual emails .

thanks for posting ..anyway .
 
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Of course how will you see your own actions as wrong ? that takes a whole lot of self introspection....

can you please talk for yourself ?

since when you became " we " ???

who are you to tell me to leave the thread ?
1)We as in me, @SledgeHammer and @SarthakGanguly who were communicating with each other on this thread.

2) I did not ask you to leave this thread, I merely requested you to avoid things which you 're incongruous with your thoughts.
No I am not the one who has already split and slice who dares to talk against Nehru .
Sire
Go and read your posts again, you sound like somebody on a cataphract, with his gauntlets on and ready for some sabre rattling.

I hate people people who make mockery of truth by drawing their won conclusion. read the lines that that you posted in bold letters
"I think it could have been my father, just in dry conversation might have been able to get his viewpoint over. But with my mother translating it for Panditji and making, you know, appealing to his heart more than his mind, that he should really behave like this, I think probably that did happen," she said."

and now contrast them with your thoughts of honey trap !
how easy it is to assassin character of a person with one careless word ?

very easy ...you just did that .

Well everyone knows about Nehru and Lady Edwina's rel.
I did call it honeytrap...my mistake but I did doubt Mountbatten's intention behind influencing his wife.Did you miss that part?
Now stop fuming!!

And....Freedom of expression..remember??
I have every right to question Nehru's (and his successive govts) intention behind not declassifying the files.
Atleast Modi made it clear that those files would "hurt" a few friends.
 
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Both reports you posted are emails .

they do have lot of details such as specific dates , names , places mentioned which could have been easily verified .

off course from the very language of those reports it seems that the very commissions which were constituted to find the truth were biased and therefore were not interested in investigating the truth .

The posts also not put question mark on credibility of Mr Nehru but also Me sravapali Radhakrishnan who is portrayed to be accomplice in process of suppression of truth about Netaji ?

so what are your thoughts about it ?

It is clear that the truth has been vitiated to the extent that there is little to rely on anything .

I have no wherewithal to verify and cross examine all those superb details provided . and if commission did not do that I do not know who else can do that .

I however will not draw any conclusions based on these two individual emails .

thanks for posting ..anyway .

You are free to make your own judgement, :) however, Khosla Commission was actually very biased, if you want then I can elaborate more on the underlined part.

Anuj Dhar is working on this case for a long time now.

‘Netaji was not dead but in Russia, and the govt knew it’
By Akrita Reyar | Last Updated: Friday, August 10, 2012 - 12:43


bose178_0.jpg



It’s been 65 years since Independence, yet one of the greatest mysteries of India about freedom fighter Subhas Chandra Bose endures. Did he die in a plane crash? Or did he survive but not tell his tale! Akrita Reyar of Zeenews.com found out more from well known journo and author Anuj Dhar, who has recently released his book: ‘India’s Biggest Cover Up’.

Your book ‘India’s Biggest Cover Up’, as the name suggests, blows the lid off one of the best kept secrets of Modern India. Tell us about it?

The book is the result of a decade-long, focused research into the question of Netaji’s fate — something that has haunted generations of Indians all over the world. It takes an objective look at all the plausible scenarios and offers the reader clear conclusions and insights based on sound reasoning and unimpeachable source material. In brief, I have deduced that there are only but three possible explanations of what happened to Bose. One, as the official version goes, he was killed following an air crash in Taipei three days after his benefactor Japan decided to surrender to the Allies. Two, he did not die in Taipei because he was in the USSR after August 1945. Three, he was possibly in India in the guise of a holy man.

After going into all these theories with a fine tooth comb I have arrived at conclusions, some of which are even legally tenable. One, the air crash theory was just a smokescreen created by Bose and his Japanese friends, especially Field Marshal Count Hisaichi Terauchi, commander of the Japanese forces in South East Asia. Netaji knew that if he remained in Japan-controlled territory after the surrender, he would be arrested by the Anglo-Americans and tried as a war criminal. He was told by his aides that his capture would end the Independence movement as at that time only he was carrying out what we can call “struggle” for freedom. Two, all that has come on record makes it clear that Netaji was USSR-bound at the time his death was announced. With the available leads it would be fair to deduce that Bose was in Russia after August 1945. Three, the holy man angle is trickier than most people, especially the intelligentsia and historians, think. Beginning 1960s rumours, whispers and claims became rife in India that Netaji was alive in India as a holy man. The phenomenon was sought to be explained by some as nothing but government trickery to trivialize the issue and throw the public off the scent of Russian angle. But my findings are at variance. I have reasons to believe that the possibility of Bose being in India was indeed very real.

How difficult was it to research such a book and how convinced are you of the leads?

‘India’s Biggest Cover Up’ couldn’t have been written by any of the celebrated historians for the simple fact that there’s hardly any source material available in public domain. The subject matter of Netaji mystery falls into the domain of government secrecy and, therefore, only a journalist could have overcome this hurdle to the extent possible. In my book I have reproduced over 200 images from rare documents. Of these some 90 are from still secret Government of India records. The readers see them and they know that the narrative is authentic. Access to a wide pool of information, including thousands of previously classified pages accessed under RTI Act, and the fact that I had no axe to grind gave me an edge over any historian. I verified all the leads and documents to the best of my ability, and I am sure of my ground.

What was the motive of the Congress to perpetuate the alleged myth of Netaji’s death in 1945?

It is not my claim that I know everything about this case — I possibly can’t — and that I have answers to every conceivable question. I have accessed only a fraction of the official information. Not everything will become clear unless a public debate takes place and more people, especially former intelligence officers, join in with their insights. In any case, my focus is to see whether or not there is evidence that Netaji died in 1945 and if he did survive, what happened to him afterwards. In that respect I can say that when Netaji’s death was announced, multiple inquiries were launched by the then British Indian government to verify it. Over the years people have been fed with a distorted impression that the Netaji mystery somehow sprouted from Bengal and that Bose “sightings” began with some conspiracy theorists. The fact of the matter is that it was a British military/intelligence officer who coined the nomenclature “Bose mystery” and the first man who saw Netaji after his reported death was an American journalist.

The British inquiries were exhaustive and inconclusive and that’s clearly evident from the reports that have survived. They also stated, to quote from one declassified report that it was "clear" that Bose was "trying to make a getaway to Russia"; his men were concealing information and Russian diplomats in different countries were speaking about his presence in their country. "There is little reason for such persons to bring Bose into fabricated stories," it commented.

Strangely, overlooking all these reports, Prime Minister Nehru suddenly began to take the line that Netaji had died in Taipei. I don’t understand why Panditji did that and why would he not make further inquiry or ask the Russians about Bose as one would expect in normal circumstances. To make things worse, there’s evidence that the Nehru government obstructed justice by concealing information that went against the air crash theory. But once this stance of the government/Nehru was asserted, for the Congress party leaders it became an article of faith. Now you cannot expect a Congress party member to say something which would contravene what Panditji had asserted.

What gave you the impression that IB chief BN Mullick was lying under oath, when he was summoned before Khosla Commission as a witness in 1970?

If Mr Mullik, who died in 1984, were alive today, he would be in serious trouble because all I have done is to match his statements on record obtained under the RTI Act with documents that are either declassified or still secret. I have demonstrated that when he supplied the first public probe into Netaji’s reported death — the Shah Nawaz Committee of 1955 — a dossier of British-era reports, the first report in it was doctored to remove the last passages which spoke of doubts in the Japanese version. Imagine the IB, the agency whose job is to protect the nation, doing that sort of thing. Since Mullick, the father figure of Indian intelligence, had no personal issues with Bose, one can well imagine that this was done at the behest of his political bosses.

Today, IB and R&AW chief remain in saddle for two-three years but Mullick practically headed the entire Indian intelligence apparatus from 1948 to 1968. In 1970 he was summoned before the Khosla Commission to give evidence. The record of his oral evidence obtained under the RTI Act clearly shows that he misled the commission and even committed perjury. He was repeatedly asked whether or not the IB had snooped on Shaulmari Baba, a hermit alternatively described as Netaji in disguise and a “plant” by the Intelligence Bureau. Each time Mullik replied that the Government never asked the IB to track Shaulmari Baba and nor did the agency do that on its own, as the issue “did not concern national security”. But in my book I have shown images of formerly Top Secret records establishing that as IB chief Mullick personally supplied information to Prime Minister Nehru on Shaulmari Baba.

What role did Pranab Mukherjee have, according to you?

It’s not just “according to me”; the documents tell their own story. As you would expect a loyal Congressman to, Pranab Mukherjee has supported the air crash theory to the hilt, disregarding the facts on records. In a developed nation, in a mature democracy he would not be allowed to occupy the highest office in the land without clarifying his stance or retorting to the charges aired by major media groups. Do you know why Mr Mukherjee or Congress did not do that? Because my charges are based on inferences drawn from records our government is keeping secret from us.

Now, regarding Mr Mukherjee, in 1994 the Ministry of External Affairs headed by Mr Mukherjee then told the Ministry of Home Affairs that the Japanese government`s confirmatory report on Bose’s death was based on records bearing a Japanese soldier’s name, not Netaji’s. The records were obviously fake and the Government would have done well to ask the Japanese a few questions. In February 1995, partly in deference to the advice of the Intelligence Bureau, the Union Cabinet decided not to bring the so-called ashes of Bose to India from Japan. But Mukherjee flew to Germany in September that year and asked Bose’s octogenarian wife to certify his death anyhow. I wonder what his motivation was. Emilie Schenkl was livid and she asked Mukherjee to leave her house as she, like most family members, believed that Bose was in Russia after his assumed death.

Then in early 1996 news came that Russia was probably holding records about Netaji. The matter was thrashed out by the MEA again. The Joint Secretary in charge actually recommended that the Indian ambassador in Moscow should issue a demarche to Russians so that the KGB archive could be searched for the Bose related records. His note was seen by Mr Mukherjee, who asked the Foreign Secretary to speak with the JS. After that meeting the JS forgot about the demarche. I am sure any sensible person can connect the dots.

A decade later, Pranab Mukherjee was described in the Justice Mukherjee Commission of Inquiry report as one of the seven witnesses who had testified in favour of the story of Bose`s death in Taiwan. In an ironical twist, Mukherjee, having returned to power in 2004, then sat in judgment on the commission report along with his other Cabinet colleagues. In 2006 the report rejecting the air crash theory was itself dismissed and no reason was assigned for that in the Action Taken Report tabled in Parliament.

So, where according to you was Netaji in the remaining years of his life? And how did he eventually meet his end?

As I have stated, I don’t think and nor will any unprejudiced person that the evidence for Netaji’s dying in Taipei is not believable and it seems more likely, as confirmed by the Mukherjee Commission report, that he flew towards Russia as the Japanese circulated the news of his death in an air crash that never was. I personally believe that Netaji was in Russia and our government knew about it. But I have not come across anything to lend credence to the conspiracy theory that each of us have heard: Netaji was killed in the USSR. Subhas sought asylum from the Russians and it was given to him as per my thinking.

On the other hand, and very surprisingly, there’s this interesting tale of a mysterious holy man called Bhagwanji who secretly lived in several places in UP, lastly in Faizabad from 1983 to 85. In 1985, when Rajiv Gandhi was Prime Minister, Subhas Chandra Bose would have been 88 years old. Bhagwanji, or the so-called Gumnami Baba, was the same age and those who saw him identified him to be Netaji. On the face of it, this proposition appears utterly preposterous and I for a start was totally hostile towards the very idea that Netaji could have been alive and living amidst us as a holy man all the while he was presumed dead. It was against his DNA to remain in hiding, I thought. But as I dug deeper, my views began to change. I’d request everyone interested in the matter to go through the available details and then take an informed stand. Right now people are dismissing the issue out of hand without even trying to understand what’s all this about. It is not my claim that Bhagwanji of Faizabad was Netaji; all I am saying is that I probed the matter as a journalist and have found reasons that the possibility cannot be ruled out. For example, the handwritings of this man in English and Bangla matched with Netaji’s and that constitutes — like it or not — a direct evidence of Bose’s remaining alive decades after his reported death. If the counter argument is that the Faizabad holy man’s DNA test was negative, I have explained in the book that the same cannot be relied on as the test was conducted in a lab controlled by the Government whose agenda from the day one was to cover-up the matter.

If Netaji was alive for years after his claimed death, why would he refuse to come out in the open?

The Bhagwanji episode has many complicated subplots. It is very difficult to provide a snappy answer to this question till such time this matter has been discussed at length. Anyhow, Bhagwanji was asked this question and he’d say his coming out was “not in India’s national interest”. You’d appreciate that this is not the language of a holy man. He claimed that after the “concocted air crash” story he spent some years in a gulag and left Russia in 1949. He claimed to have engaged thereafter in covert activities to counter world powers, especially America’s, clout in Asia. He feared that if he came out in the open, the world powers would go after him and Indians will be caught in cross-fire. He’d say, “There will be sanctions and my people will suffer. Let me be here like this.” He was under assumption that he was regarded a war criminal and that Allied Powers regarded him as their foremost enemy.

This scenario appears fantastic but there are some circumstances which make things appear curious. For example, Bhagwanji claimed that he was present in a meeting in Paris in 1969. Now I have located and reproduced an Associated Press picture in my book. Here you see a bearded man who reminds you of Netaji. The Cold War ended in 1991 but its secrets remain locked in secret vaults of different countries. If there is any truth in Bhagwanji’s claims, several governments and their intelligence agencies would have files on “dead man” as Bhagwanji called himself. But we cannot expect to get these files so long our own government continues to sit on its own pile of secret files on Netaji.

Has your book created the impact you wanted it to?

It’s good for a start but not enough. The main objective behind placing the facts before the people is to persuade them to ask their government to make public all secret records about Netaji. We can go on arguing or counter-arguing whether or not Netaji was in Russia or if it was possible for him to be in Faizabad, of all the places in the world. The inspired elements will find ways to derail the debate, which cannot start in right earnest unless secret files are placed in public domain. Truth has no need for secrecy. This is 2012 and there is no justification for our government to maintain so many secret files — the PMO alone has 33 — about a man it claims died 67 years back. Netaji for us should become a symbol of transparency and justice. Time has come for us to strive and know the truth in the same way we have made attempts in the cases involving ordinary people like Jessica Lall in which the role of media was superb.

Are there any new projects that you are working on?

No.

‘Netaji was not dead but in Russia, and the govt knew it’ | Zee News
 
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1)We as in me, @SledgeHammer and @SarthakGanguly who were communicating with each other on this thread.

2) I did not ask you to leave this thread, I merely requested you to avoid things which you 're incongruous to your thoughts.

Sire
Go and read your posts again, you sound like somebody on a cataphract, with his gauntlets on and ready for some sabre rattling.



Well everyone knows about Nehru and Lady Edwina's rel.
I did call it honeytrap...my mistake but I did doubt Mountbatten's intention behind influencing his wife.Did you miss that part?
Now stop fuming!!

And....Freedom of expression..remember??
I have every right to question Nehru's (and his successive govts) intention behind not declassifying the files.
Atleast Modi made it clear that those files would "hurt" a few friends.


Well please speak for yourself alone .
@SledgeHammer , @SarthakGanguly do not need spokeperson , they can speak for thelselves .

You did ask me to leave thread . go and read post 52 . " you are welcome to leave this thread ...."
it implied same ....I can also say same thing to you ..." you are welcome to leave this thread ..."

My thoughts are wide enough not to be incongruous enough for any discussion . I just asked you to desist from character assassination of public figure like Nehru based on hearsay .

I would not have asid anything if you had said anything about Abhishek manu sighvi or ND Tiwari .

But to tarnish the platonic relationship between Lady mountabatten and Nehru based on distorted accounts of narration by her daughter is mere mindless gossip . Your careless expression " Honey trap " gave away ...

I am not just harping on word .

You are free to rant your anti Nehru stance ..go and create another thread .

this thread is about Netaji ...

what is the need to drag issue of appointment of commander of Nehru in this particular thread .


But such great is your Nehru hatred that with first opportunity you jumped to quote whatever little points that you think you may have against Nehru ...to strengthen your argument against Nehru .

Can you limit the discussion to just Netaji and how Nehru may or may not have been involved ...rather that vitiate it with other details such as how narrow minded Nehru was to be ready to appoint non Indian to the post of commander ..etc .

I did not miss any part . I read my posts and posts of other persons ..and think before writing something .

You are free to make your own judgement, :) however, Khosla Commission was actually very biased, if you want then I can elaborate more on the underlined part.

Anuj Dhar is working on this case for a long time now.

‘Netaji was not dead but in Russia, and the govt knew it’
By Akrita Reyar | Last Updated: Friday, August 10, 2012 - 12:43


bose178_0.jpg



It’s been 65 years since Independence, yet one of the greatest mysteries of India about freedom fighter Subhas Chandra Bose endures. Did he die in a plane crash? Or did he survive but not tell his tale! Akrita Reyar of Zeenews.com found out more from well known journo and author Anuj Dhar, who has recently released his book: ‘India’s Biggest Cover Up’.

Your book ‘India’s Biggest Cover Up’, as the name suggests, blows the lid off one of the best kept secrets of Modern India. Tell us about it?

The book is the result of a decade-long, focused research into the question of Netaji’s fate — something that has haunted generations of Indians all over the world. It takes an objective look at all the plausible scenarios and offers the reader clear conclusions and insights based on sound reasoning and unimpeachable source material. In brief, I have deduced that there are only but three possible explanations of what happened to Bose. One, as the official version goes, he was killed following an air crash in Taipei three days after his benefactor Japan decided to surrender to the Allies. Two, he did not die in Taipei because he was in the USSR after August 1945. Three, he was possibly in India in the guise of a holy man.

After going into all these theories with a fine tooth comb I have arrived at conclusions, some of which are even legally tenable. One, the air crash theory was just a smokescreen created by Bose and his Japanese friends, especially Field Marshal Count Hisaichi Terauchi, commander of the Japanese forces in South East Asia. Netaji knew that if he remained in Japan-controlled territory after the surrender, he would be arrested by the Anglo-Americans and tried as a war criminal. He was told by his aides that his capture would end the Independence movement as at that time only he was carrying out what we can call “struggle” for freedom. Two, all that has come on record makes it clear that Netaji was USSR-bound at the time his death was announced. With the available leads it would be fair to deduce that Bose was in Russia after August 1945. Three, the holy man angle is trickier than most people, especially the intelligentsia and historians, think. Beginning 1960s rumours, whispers and claims became rife in India that Netaji was alive in India as a holy man. The phenomenon was sought to be explained by some as nothing but government trickery to trivialize the issue and throw the public off the scent of Russian angle. But my findings are at variance. I have reasons to believe that the possibility of Bose being in India was indeed very real.

How difficult was it to research such a book and how convinced are you of the leads?

‘India’s Biggest Cover Up’ couldn’t have been written by any of the celebrated historians for the simple fact that there’s hardly any source material available in public domain. The subject matter of Netaji mystery falls into the domain of government secrecy and, therefore, only a journalist could have overcome this hurdle to the extent possible. In my book I have reproduced over 200 images from rare documents. Of these some 90 are from still secret Government of India records. The readers see them and they know that the narrative is authentic. Access to a wide pool of information, including thousands of previously classified pages accessed under RTI Act, and the fact that I had no axe to grind gave me an edge over any historian. I verified all the leads and documents to the best of my ability, and I am sure of my ground.

What was the motive of the Congress to perpetuate the alleged myth of Netaji’s death in 1945?

It is not my claim that I know everything about this case — I possibly can’t — and that I have answers to every conceivable question. I have accessed only a fraction of the official information. Not everything will become clear unless a public debate takes place and more people, especially former intelligence officers, join in with their insights. In any case, my focus is to see whether or not there is evidence that Netaji died in 1945 and if he did survive, what happened to him afterwards. In that respect I can say that when Netaji’s death was announced, multiple inquiries were launched by the then British Indian government to verify it. Over the years people have been fed with a distorted impression that the Netaji mystery somehow sprouted from Bengal and that Bose “sightings” began with some conspiracy theorists. The fact of the matter is that it was a British military/intelligence officer who coined the nomenclature “Bose mystery” and the first man who saw Netaji after his reported death was an American journalist.

The British inquiries were exhaustive and inconclusive and that’s clearly evident from the reports that have survived. They also stated, to quote from one declassified report that it was "clear" that Bose was "trying to make a getaway to Russia"; his men were concealing information and Russian diplomats in different countries were speaking about his presence in their country. "There is little reason for such persons to bring Bose into fabricated stories," it commented.

Strangely, overlooking all these reports, Prime Minister Nehru suddenly began to take the line that Netaji had died in Taipei. I don’t understand why Panditji did that and why would he not make further inquiry or ask the Russians about Bose as one would expect in normal circumstances. To make things worse, there’s evidence that the Nehru government obstructed justice by concealing information that went against the air crash theory. But once this stance of the government/Nehru was asserted, for the Congress party leaders it became an article of faith. Now you cannot expect a Congress party member to say something which would contravene what Panditji had asserted.

What gave you the impression that IB chief BN Mullick was lying under oath, when he was summoned before Khosla Commission as a witness in 1970?

If Mr Mullik, who died in 1984, were alive today, he would be in serious trouble because all I have done is to match his statements on record obtained under the RTI Act with documents that are either declassified or still secret. I have demonstrated that when he supplied the first public probe into Netaji’s reported death — the Shah Nawaz Committee of 1955 — a dossier of British-era reports, the first report in it was doctored to remove the last passages which spoke of doubts in the Japanese version. Imagine the IB, the agency whose job is to protect the nation, doing that sort of thing. Since Mullick, the father figure of Indian intelligence, had no personal issues with Bose, one can well imagine that this was done at the behest of his political bosses.

Today, IB and R&AW chief remain in saddle for two-three years but Mullick practically headed the entire Indian intelligence apparatus from 1948 to 1968. In 1970 he was summoned before the Khosla Commission to give evidence. The record of his oral evidence obtained under the RTI Act clearly shows that he misled the commission and even committed perjury. He was repeatedly asked whether or not the IB had snooped on Shaulmari Baba, a hermit alternatively described as Netaji in disguise and a “plant” by the Intelligence Bureau. Each time Mullik replied that the Government never asked the IB to track Shaulmari Baba and nor did the agency do that on its own, as the issue “did not concern national security”. But in my book I have shown images of formerly Top Secret records establishing that as IB chief Mullick personally supplied information to Prime Minister Nehru on Shaulmari Baba.

What role did Pranab Mukherjee have, according to you?

It’s not just “according to me”; the documents tell their own story. As you would expect a loyal Congressman to, Pranab Mukherjee has supported the air crash theory to the hilt, disregarding the facts on records. In a developed nation, in a mature democracy he would not be allowed to occupy the highest office in the land without clarifying his stance or retorting to the charges aired by major media groups. Do you know why Mr Mukherjee or Congress did not do that? Because my charges are based on inferences drawn from records our government is keeping secret from us.

Now, regarding Mr Mukherjee, in 1994 the Ministry of External Affairs headed by Mr Mukherjee then told the Ministry of Home Affairs that the Japanese government`s confirmatory report on Bose’s death was based on records bearing a Japanese soldier’s name, not Netaji’s. The records were obviously fake and the Government would have done well to ask the Japanese a few questions. In February 1995, partly in deference to the advice of the Intelligence Bureau, the Union Cabinet decided not to bring the so-called ashes of Bose to India from Japan. But Mukherjee flew to Germany in September that year and asked Bose’s octogenarian wife to certify his death anyhow. I wonder what his motivation was. Emilie Schenkl was livid and she asked Mukherjee to leave her house as she, like most family members, believed that Bose was in Russia after his assumed death.

Then in early 1996 news came that Russia was probably holding records about Netaji. The matter was thrashed out by the MEA again. The Joint Secretary in charge actually recommended that the Indian ambassador in Moscow should issue a demarche to Russians so that the KGB archive could be searched for the Bose related records. His note was seen by Mr Mukherjee, who asked the Foreign Secretary to speak with the JS. After that meeting the JS forgot about the demarche. I am sure any sensible person can connect the dots.

A decade later, Pranab Mukherjee was described in the Justice Mukherjee Commission of Inquiry report as one of the seven witnesses who had testified in favour of the story of Bose`s death in Taiwan. In an ironical twist, Mukherjee, having returned to power in 2004, then sat in judgment on the commission report along with his other Cabinet colleagues. In 2006 the report rejecting the air crash theory was itself dismissed and no reason was assigned for that in the Action Taken Report tabled in Parliament.

So, where according to you was Netaji in the remaining years of his life? And how did he eventually meet his end?

As I have stated, I don’t think and nor will any unprejudiced person that the evidence for Netaji’s dying in Taipei is not believable and it seems more likely, as confirmed by the Mukherjee Commission report, that he flew towards Russia as the Japanese circulated the news of his death in an air crash that never was. I personally believe that Netaji was in Russia and our government knew about it. But I have not come across anything to lend credence to the conspiracy theory that each of us have heard: Netaji was killed in the USSR. Subhas sought asylum from the Russians and it was given to him as per my thinking.

On the other hand, and very surprisingly, there’s this interesting tale of a mysterious holy man called Bhagwanji who secretly lived in several places in UP, lastly in Faizabad from 1983 to 85. In 1985, when Rajiv Gandhi was Prime Minister, Subhas Chandra Bose would have been 88 years old. Bhagwanji, or the so-called Gumnami Baba, was the same age and those who saw him identified him to be Netaji. On the face of it, this proposition appears utterly preposterous and I for a start was totally hostile towards the very idea that Netaji could have been alive and living amidst us as a holy man all the while he was presumed dead. It was against his DNA to remain in hiding, I thought. But as I dug deeper, my views began to change. I’d request everyone interested in the matter to go through the available details and then take an informed stand. Right now people are dismissing the issue out of hand without even trying to understand what’s all this about. It is not my claim that Bhagwanji of Faizabad was Netaji; all I am saying is that I probed the matter as a journalist and have found reasons that the possibility cannot be ruled out. For example, the handwritings of this man in English and Bangla matched with Netaji’s and that constitutes — like it or not — a direct evidence of Bose’s remaining alive decades after his reported death. If the counter argument is that the Faizabad holy man’s DNA test was negative, I have explained in the book that the same cannot be relied on as the test was conducted in a lab controlled by the Government whose agenda from the day one was to cover-up the matter.

If Netaji was alive for years after his claimed death, why would he refuse to come out in the open?

The Bhagwanji episode has many complicated subplots. It is very difficult to provide a snappy answer to this question till such time this matter has been discussed at length. Anyhow, Bhagwanji was asked this question and he’d say his coming out was “not in India’s national interest”. You’d appreciate that this is not the language of a holy man. He claimed that after the “concocted air crash” story he spent some years in a gulag and left Russia in 1949. He claimed to have engaged thereafter in covert activities to counter world powers, especially America’s, clout in Asia. He feared that if he came out in the open, the world powers would go after him and Indians will be caught in cross-fire. He’d say, “There will be sanctions and my people will suffer. Let me be here like this.” He was under assumption that he was regarded a war criminal and that Allied Powers regarded him as their foremost enemy.

This scenario appears fantastic but there are some circumstances which make things appear curious. For example, Bhagwanji claimed that he was present in a meeting in Paris in 1969. Now I have located and reproduced an Associated Press picture in my book. Here you see a bearded man who reminds you of Netaji. The Cold War ended in 1991 but its secrets remain locked in secret vaults of different countries. If there is any truth in Bhagwanji’s claims, several governments and their intelligence agencies would have files on “dead man” as Bhagwanji called himself. But we cannot expect to get these files so long our own government continues to sit on its own pile of secret files on Netaji.

Has your book created the impact you wanted it to?

It’s good for a start but not enough. The main objective behind placing the facts before the people is to persuade them to ask their government to make public all secret records about Netaji. We can go on arguing or counter-arguing whether or not Netaji was in Russia or if it was possible for him to be in Faizabad, of all the places in the world. The inspired elements will find ways to derail the debate, which cannot start in right earnest unless secret files are placed in public domain. Truth has no need for secrecy. This is 2012 and there is no justification for our government to maintain so many secret files — the PMO alone has 33 — about a man it claims died 67 years back. Netaji for us should become a symbol of transparency and justice. Time has come for us to strive and know the truth in the same way we have made attempts in the cases involving ordinary people like Jessica Lall in which the role of media was superb.

Are there any new projects that you are working on?

No.

‘Netaji was not dead but in Russia, and the govt knew it’ | Zee News


I am not making any judgement of my own .
I am afraid that I do not have that luxury .

without full access the facts ...I will not take sides .

You are free to make your own judgement, :) however, Khosla Commission was actually very biased, if you want then I can elaborate more on the underlined part.

Anuj Dhar is working on this case for a long time now.

‘Netaji was not dead but in Russia, and the govt knew it’
By Akrita Reyar | Last Updated: Friday, August 10, 2012 - 12:43


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It’s been 65 years since Independence, yet one of the greatest mysteries of India about freedom fighter Subhas Chandra Bose endures. Did he die in a plane crash? Or did he survive but not tell his tale! Akrita Reyar of Zeenews.com found out more from well known journo and author Anuj Dhar, who has recently released his book: ‘India’s Biggest Cover Up’.

Your book ‘India’s Biggest Cover Up’, as the name suggests, blows the lid off one of the best kept secrets of Modern India. Tell us about it?

The book is the result of a decade-long, focused research into the question of Netaji’s fate — something that has haunted generations of Indians all over the world. It takes an objective look at all the plausible scenarios and offers the reader clear conclusions and insights based on sound reasoning and unimpeachable source material. In brief, I have deduced that there are only but three possible explanations of what happened to Bose. One, as the official version goes, he was killed following an air crash in Taipei three days after his benefactor Japan decided to surrender to the Allies. Two, he did not die in Taipei because he was in the USSR after August 1945. Three, he was possibly in India in the guise of a holy man.

After going into all these theories with a fine tooth comb I have arrived at conclusions, some of which are even legally tenable. One, the air crash theory was just a smokescreen created by Bose and his Japanese friends, especially Field Marshal Count Hisaichi Terauchi, commander of the Japanese forces in South East Asia. Netaji knew that if he remained in Japan-controlled territory after the surrender, he would be arrested by the Anglo-Americans and tried as a war criminal. He was told by his aides that his capture would end the Independence movement as at that time only he was carrying out what we can call “struggle” for freedom. Two, all that has come on record makes it clear that Netaji was USSR-bound at the time his death was announced. With the available leads it would be fair to deduce that Bose was in Russia after August 1945. Three, the holy man angle is trickier than most people, especially the intelligentsia and historians, think. Beginning 1960s rumours, whispers and claims became rife in India that Netaji was alive in India as a holy man. The phenomenon was sought to be explained by some as nothing but government trickery to trivialize the issue and throw the public off the scent of Russian angle. But my findings are at variance. I have reasons to believe that the possibility of Bose being in India was indeed very real.

How difficult was it to research such a book and how convinced are you of the leads?

‘India’s Biggest Cover Up’ couldn’t have been written by any of the celebrated historians for the simple fact that there’s hardly any source material available in public domain. The subject matter of Netaji mystery falls into the domain of government secrecy and, therefore, only a journalist could have overcome this hurdle to the extent possible. In my book I have reproduced over 200 images from rare documents. Of these some 90 are from still secret Government of India records. The readers see them and they know that the narrative is authentic. Access to a wide pool of information, including thousands of previously classified pages accessed under RTI Act, and the fact that I had no axe to grind gave me an edge over any historian. I verified all the leads and documents to the best of my ability, and I am sure of my ground.

What was the motive of the Congress to perpetuate the alleged myth of Netaji’s death in 1945?

It is not my claim that I know everything about this case — I possibly can’t — and that I have answers to every conceivable question. I have accessed only a fraction of the official information. Not everything will become clear unless a public debate takes place and more people, especially former intelligence officers, join in with their insights. In any case, my focus is to see whether or not there is evidence that Netaji died in 1945 and if he did survive, what happened to him afterwards. In that respect I can say that when Netaji’s death was announced, multiple inquiries were launched by the then British Indian government to verify it. Over the years people have been fed with a distorted impression that the Netaji mystery somehow sprouted from Bengal and that Bose “sightings” began with some conspiracy theorists. The fact of the matter is that it was a British military/intelligence officer who coined the nomenclature “Bose mystery” and the first man who saw Netaji after his reported death was an American journalist.

The British inquiries were exhaustive and inconclusive and that’s clearly evident from the reports that have survived. They also stated, to quote from one declassified report that it was "clear" that Bose was "trying to make a getaway to Russia"; his men were concealing information and Russian diplomats in different countries were speaking about his presence in their country. "There is little reason for such persons to bring Bose into fabricated stories," it commented.

Strangely, overlooking all these reports, Prime Minister Nehru suddenly began to take the line that Netaji had died in Taipei. I don’t understand why Panditji did that and why would he not make further inquiry or ask the Russians about Bose as one would expect in normal circumstances. To make things worse, there’s evidence that the Nehru government obstructed justice by concealing information that went against the air crash theory. But once this stance of the government/Nehru was asserted, for the Congress party leaders it became an article of faith. Now you cannot expect a Congress party member to say something which would contravene what Panditji had asserted.

What gave you the impression that IB chief BN Mullick was lying under oath, when he was summoned before Khosla Commission as a witness in 1970?

If Mr Mullik, who died in 1984, were alive today, he would be in serious trouble because all I have done is to match his statements on record obtained under the RTI Act with documents that are either declassified or still secret. I have demonstrated that when he supplied the first public probe into Netaji’s reported death — the Shah Nawaz Committee of 1955 — a dossier of British-era reports, the first report in it was doctored to remove the last passages which spoke of doubts in the Japanese version. Imagine the IB, the agency whose job is to protect the nation, doing that sort of thing. Since Mullick, the father figure of Indian intelligence, had no personal issues with Bose, one can well imagine that this was done at the behest of his political bosses.

Today, IB and R&AW chief remain in saddle for two-three years but Mullick practically headed the entire Indian intelligence apparatus from 1948 to 1968. In 1970 he was summoned before the Khosla Commission to give evidence. The record of his oral evidence obtained under the RTI Act clearly shows that he misled the commission and even committed perjury. He was repeatedly asked whether or not the IB had snooped on Shaulmari Baba, a hermit alternatively described as Netaji in disguise and a “plant” by the Intelligence Bureau. Each time Mullik replied that the Government never asked the IB to track Shaulmari Baba and nor did the agency do that on its own, as the issue “did not concern national security”. But in my book I have shown images of formerly Top Secret records establishing that as IB chief Mullick personally supplied information to Prime Minister Nehru on Shaulmari Baba.

What role did Pranab Mukherjee have, according to you?

It’s not just “according to me”; the documents tell their own story. As you would expect a loyal Congressman to, Pranab Mukherjee has supported the air crash theory to the hilt, disregarding the facts on records. In a developed nation, in a mature democracy he would not be allowed to occupy the highest office in the land without clarifying his stance or retorting to the charges aired by major media groups. Do you know why Mr Mukherjee or Congress did not do that? Because my charges are based on inferences drawn from records our government is keeping secret from us.

Now, regarding Mr Mukherjee, in 1994 the Ministry of External Affairs headed by Mr Mukherjee then told the Ministry of Home Affairs that the Japanese government`s confirmatory report on Bose’s death was based on records bearing a Japanese soldier’s name, not Netaji’s. The records were obviously fake and the Government would have done well to ask the Japanese a few questions. In February 1995, partly in deference to the advice of the Intelligence Bureau, the Union Cabinet decided not to bring the so-called ashes of Bose to India from Japan. But Mukherjee flew to Germany in September that year and asked Bose’s octogenarian wife to certify his death anyhow. I wonder what his motivation was. Emilie Schenkl was livid and she asked Mukherjee to leave her house as she, like most family members, believed that Bose was in Russia after his assumed death.

Then in early 1996 news came that Russia was probably holding records about Netaji. The matter was thrashed out by the MEA again. The Joint Secretary in charge actually recommended that the Indian ambassador in Moscow should issue a demarche to Russians so that the KGB archive could be searched for the Bose related records. His note was seen by Mr Mukherjee, who asked the Foreign Secretary to speak with the JS. After that meeting the JS forgot about the demarche. I am sure any sensible person can connect the dots.

A decade later, Pranab Mukherjee was described in the Justice Mukherjee Commission of Inquiry report as one of the seven witnesses who had testified in favour of the story of Bose`s death in Taiwan. In an ironical twist, Mukherjee, having returned to power in 2004, then sat in judgment on the commission report along with his other Cabinet colleagues. In 2006 the report rejecting the air crash theory was itself dismissed and no reason was assigned for that in the Action Taken Report tabled in Parliament.

So, where according to you was Netaji in the remaining years of his life? And how did he eventually meet his end?

As I have stated, I don’t think and nor will any unprejudiced person that the evidence for Netaji’s dying in Taipei is not believable and it seems more likely, as confirmed by the Mukherjee Commission report, that he flew towards Russia as the Japanese circulated the news of his death in an air crash that never was. I personally believe that Netaji was in Russia and our government knew about it. But I have not come across anything to lend credence to the conspiracy theory that each of us have heard: Netaji was killed in the USSR. Subhas sought asylum from the Russians and it was given to him as per my thinking.

On the other hand, and very surprisingly, there’s this interesting tale of a mysterious holy man called Bhagwanji who secretly lived in several places in UP, lastly in Faizabad from 1983 to 85. In 1985, when Rajiv Gandhi was Prime Minister, Subhas Chandra Bose would have been 88 years old. Bhagwanji, or the so-called Gumnami Baba, was the same age and those who saw him identified him to be Netaji. On the face of it, this proposition appears utterly preposterous and I for a start was totally hostile towards the very idea that Netaji could have been alive and living amidst us as a holy man all the while he was presumed dead. It was against his DNA to remain in hiding, I thought. But as I dug deeper, my views began to change. I’d request everyone interested in the matter to go through the available details and then take an informed stand. Right now people are dismissing the issue out of hand without even trying to understand what’s all this about. It is not my claim that Bhagwanji of Faizabad was Netaji; all I am saying is that I probed the matter as a journalist and have found reasons that the possibility cannot be ruled out. For example, the handwritings of this man in English and Bangla matched with Netaji’s and that constitutes — like it or not — a direct evidence of Bose’s remaining alive decades after his reported death. If the counter argument is that the Faizabad holy man’s DNA test was negative, I have explained in the book that the same cannot be relied on as the test was conducted in a lab controlled by the Government whose agenda from the day one was to cover-up the matter.

If Netaji was alive for years after his claimed death, why would he refuse to come out in the open?

The Bhagwanji episode has many complicated subplots. It is very difficult to provide a snappy answer to this question till such time this matter has been discussed at length. Anyhow, Bhagwanji was asked this question and he’d say his coming out was “not in India’s national interest”. You’d appreciate that this is not the language of a holy man. He claimed that after the “concocted air crash” story he spent some years in a gulag and left Russia in 1949. He claimed to have engaged thereafter in covert activities to counter world powers, especially America’s, clout in Asia. He feared that if he came out in the open, the world powers would go after him and Indians will be caught in cross-fire. He’d say, “There will be sanctions and my people will suffer. Let me be here like this.” He was under assumption that he was regarded a war criminal and that Allied Powers regarded him as their foremost enemy.

This scenario appears fantastic but there are some circumstances which make things appear curious. For example, Bhagwanji claimed that he was present in a meeting in Paris in 1969. Now I have located and reproduced an Associated Press picture in my book. Here you see a bearded man who reminds you of Netaji. The Cold War ended in 1991 but its secrets remain locked in secret vaults of different countries. If there is any truth in Bhagwanji’s claims, several governments and their intelligence agencies would have files on “dead man” as Bhagwanji called himself. But we cannot expect to get these files so long our own government continues to sit on its own pile of secret files on Netaji.

Has your book created the impact you wanted it to?

It’s good for a start but not enough. The main objective behind placing the facts before the people is to persuade them to ask their government to make public all secret records about Netaji. We can go on arguing or counter-arguing whether or not Netaji was in Russia or if it was possible for him to be in Faizabad, of all the places in the world. The inspired elements will find ways to derail the debate, which cannot start in right earnest unless secret files are placed in public domain. Truth has no need for secrecy. This is 2012 and there is no justification for our government to maintain so many secret files — the PMO alone has 33 — about a man it claims died 67 years back. Netaji for us should become a symbol of transparency and justice. Time has come for us to strive and know the truth in the same way we have made attempts in the cases involving ordinary people like Jessica Lall in which the role of media was superb.

Are there any new projects that you are working on?

No.

‘Netaji was not dead but in Russia, and the govt knew it’ | Zee News

so long and short of this write up is that Netaji did not die in plane crash in Taipei , successive congress governments did their best to cover it up , The gumani baba could have been Netaji ...
what does that tell you ?

it just tells me that the whole issue has been muddled up beyond any point of reconciliation ...

whom will you believe when there are so many versions of ' truth ' that are circulating ?

obviously you will subscribe to one that appeals to you ( and that is dependent upon individual biases ) .

my stance is very clear ..let GOI make the findings of all the commissions and all classified documents public .

I will not make any individual speculation till the official records are in public domain and are open for objective scrutiny .

is that a fair stance or no ?
 
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Indo-guy said:
But such great is your Nehru hatred that with first opportunity you jumped to quote whatever little points that you think you may have against Nehru ...to strengthen your argument against Nehru .

Can you limit the discussion to just Netaji and how Nehru may or may not have been involved ...rather that vitiate it with other details such as how narrow minded Nehru was to be ready to appoint non Indian to the post of commander ..etc .

I did not miss any part . I read my posts and posts of other persons ..and think before writing something .
why should Nehru be considered off topic when there're evidences to prove that he had every intention to hide Netaji's details??
You're the one stifling this discussion because you dont want to know what could be the other side of the story.


Well please speak for yourself alone .
@SledgeHammer , @SarthakGanguly do not need spokeperson , they can speak for thelselves .
Lol
I am not their spokesperson. You were the one who picked up my post which was originally a reply to @SledgeHammer and @SarthakGanguly .

You did ask me to leave thread . go and read post 52 . " you are welcome to leave this thread ...."
it implied same ....I can also say same thing to you ..." you are welcome to leave this thread ..."
Earlier I had only requested you but now I think you must really leave this thread for your own good, go and check your BP pronto!!
My thoughts are wide enough not to be incongruous enough for any discussion . I just asked you to desist from character assassination of public figure like Nehru based on hearsay .
Character assassination?
Really? :blink:
I had said "Is it called a honey trap?" is that what you call character assassination??

But to tarnish the platonic relationship between Lady mountabatten and Nehru based on distorted accounts of narration by her daughter is mere mindless gossip . Your careless expression " Honey trap " gave away ...
Wait
was it not her daughter who had certified Lady Mountbatten and nehru's relationship as "platonic" in the first place?
So if I can take her one statement as true then why cant I believe her next statement which says "Nehru might 've been influenced by Lady mountbatten to take kashmir issue to UN"???
Decide for yourself which statement of hers is to be believed???

You are free to rant your anti Nehru stance ..go and create another thread .
this thread is about Netaji ...
Nonsense!
You were the one who took off in a tangential direction and I've repeatedly told you that you 're being aggressive here.
what is the need to drag issue of appointment of commander of Nehru in this particular thread .
I had merely quoted one EXAMPLE where Nehru had made a blunder.
 
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Swami came with the Modi package.
Not a bad deal at all.
 
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There are many conspiracies running around for such a long time .... Gov needs to declassify all the commission reports, make them public n close the issue once n for all....
Nehru n khoongressi role were suspicious on the issue from day one ......
 
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I am not making any judgement of my own .
I am afraid that I do not have that luxury .

without full access the facts ...I will not take sides .

so long and short of this write up is that Netaji did not die in plane crash in Taipei , successive congress governments did their best to cover it up , The gumani baba could have been Netaji ...
what does that tell you ?

it just tells me that the whole issue has been muddled up beyond any point of reconciliation ...

whom will you believe when there are so many versions of ' truth ' that are circulating ?

obviously you will subscribe to one that appeals to you ( and that is dependent upon individual biases ) .

my stance is very clear ..let GOI make the findings of all the commissions and all classified documents public .

I will not make any individual speculation till the official records are in public domain and are open for objective scrutiny .

is that a fair stance or no ?

@Indo-guy We are not a communist state that we cannot discuss any topic if it is not made public by the government, there are some persons connected to this event who have made certain statements in front of certain commissions, and are you saying we can't discuss that?

Check this Youtube link of Justice Mukherjee of Mukherjee Commission, very interesting:

 
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why should Nehru be considered off topic when there're proofs that he had every intention of hiding netaji's details??
You're the one stifling this discussion because you dont want to know what could be the other side of the story.



Lol
I am not their spokesperson. You were the one who picked up my post which was originally a reply to @SledgeHammer.


Earlier I had only requested you but now I think you must really leave this thread for own good, go and check your BP pronto!!

Character assassination?
Really? :blink:
I had said "Is it called a honey trap?" is that what you call character assassination??


Wait
was it not her daughter who had certified Lady Mountbatten and nehru's relationship as "platonic" in the first place?
So if I can take her one statement as true then why cant I believe her next statement which says "Nehru might 've been influenced by Lady mountbatten to take kashmir issue to UN"???
Decide for yourself which statement of hers is to be believed???


Nonsense!
You were the one who took off in a tangential direction and I've repeatedly told you that you were being aggressive. B

I had merely quoted one EXAMPLE where Nehru had made a blunder.

@SledgeHammer has been posting about the sources for his assertion and I am responding to him in very cordial and civil manner . I am not stifling any discussion . I have just told you to stop making unnecessary personal attacks on public figure on Nehru which are out of context .
the so called exclamations about Honey trap and Un ...what that has go to do with Netaji's death ..which is the issue that is being discussed here ?

If you are not spokesperson two other guys ..then just speak for yourself . do not drag other guys by claiming We ?

You have no business to tell me to leave the thread !

I will not leave the thread even if you ' beg ' me to do so ... You do not have to woory about my BP. worry about your own . I am capable of managing my own .


Yes . calling it a honey trap does amount to character assassination . If you know what honey trap means ...I hope you are not ignorant to not to know and use the expression .

stop justifying yourself and making off topic posts . Instead of going on and on your anti Nehru rants ...contribute something tangible if you have to say about main topic of this thread . to vent your pent up anti Nehru emotions you can create other thread . DO NOT RUIN THIS THREAD with your non stop blabber about how Nehru was bad and so on ...
I agree that all your posts are nothing but nonsense .

You have quoted enough examples of Nehru's blunders ..but seems you are not satisfied yet .

stick to the thread or leave the thread if you can not converse in civil manner .

go to other sites if you need to gossip .

@Indo-guy We are not a communist state that we cannot discuss any topic if it is not made public by the government, there are some persons connected to this event who have made certain statements in front of certain commissions, and are you saying we can't discuss that?

Check this Youtube link of Justice Mukherjee of Mukherjee Commission, very interesting:


did I say that we are a communist state that we can not discus any topic that is not made public ?

I am saying that in absence of all those records the discussion will be fruitless .

I just said ' I " won't take any sides ....

You are free to do so . where did I stop you from discussing the issue ?

when did I say that do not discuss ?
 
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@SledgeHammer has been posting about the sources for his assertion and I am responding to him in very cordial and civil manner . I am not stifling any discussion . I have just told you to stop making unnecessary personal attacks on public figure on Nehru which are out of context .
the so called exclamations about Honey trap and Un ...what that has go to do with Netaji's death ..which is the issue that is being discussed here ?

If you are not spokesperson two other guys ..then just speak for yourself . do not drag other guys by claiming We ?

You have no business to tell me to leave the thread !

I will not leave the thread even if you ' beg ' me to do so ... You do not have to woory about my BP. worry about your own . I am capable of managing my own .


Yes . calling it a honey trap does amount to character assassination . If you know what honey trap means ...I hope you are not ignorant to not to know and use the expression .

stop justifying yourself and making off topic posts . Instead of going on and on your anti Nehru rants ...contribute something tangible if you have to say about main topic of this thread . to vent your pent up anti Nehru emotions you can create other thread . DO NOT RUIN THIS THREAD with your non stop blabber about how Nehru was bad and so on ...
I agree that all your posts are nothing but nonsense .

You have quoted enough examples of Nehru's blunders ..but seems you are not satisfied yet .

stick to the thread or leave the thread if you can not converse in civil manner .

go to other sites if you need to gossip .
Sire
Thats a very good attempt at circumventing my question....I had asked you a question which you've very conveniently avoided.
I asked you
levina said:
Wait
was it not her daughter who had certified Lady Mountbatten and nehru's relationship as "platonic" in the first place?
So if I can take her one statement as true then why cant I believe her next statement which says "Nehru might 've been influenced by Lady mountbatten to take kashmir issue to UN"???
Decide for yourself which statement of hers is to be believed???
And dont reply back to my post if you dont have an answer to that question

Btw you were the one who said that "I'm angry" and you were the one who kept getting aggressive and you were the one who quoted my post which was originally for 2 of my friends on the forum.And finally you were the one who made it a Nehru thread.
WE (yes me @SledgeHammer and @SarthakGanguly ) were discussing Netaji and Nehru, but you decided to make it a Nehru thread.
 
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Sire
Thats a very good attempt at circumventing my question....I had asked you a question which you've very conveniently avoided.
I asked you

And dont reply back to my post if you dont have a reply to that question

Btw you were the one who said that "I'm angry" and you were the one who kept getting aggressive and you were the one who quoted my post which was originally for 2 of my friends on the forum.And finally you were the one who made it a Nehru thread.
WE (yes me @SledgeHammer and @SarthakGanguly ) were discussing Netaji and Nehru, but you decided to make it a Nehru thread.

I will not qualify any reply to your obviously biased posts which have no bearing upon whatsoever towards discussion with regards to Netaji's death .
I am not interested in conversing with you ...while you have nothing worthwhile to say besides your rants .
 
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Is this what you call a honey trap?
Perhaps. We can never be sure. Nehru was a sleazeball, there's evidence about that. Read Azad's book that was banned in India for decades. "India wins Freedom". Devastating for the 'Family'.

what does that tell you about character of the person ?
Meek and spineless.
 
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