Sri Lankan president offers prayers at Tirupati Balaji Temple

[Azazel]

Well there is no rules in dharmic religions IAFAIK, only guidelines. You can choose to obey or not obey the choice is yours. No one is going to punish you for what you did or going to do, but the karma good or bad (the end result of your deed) is coming back to you with it's rewards. It's not someone giving you a punishment but like gravity or any other universal law which is bound to happen.

The biggest difference the law of Karma is having to Abrahamic religions is that you can reduce the ferocity of the result of your deed by countering it with opposite karma (do the opposite of what you did, do good if done bad or do bad if done good). In the end you are not bound to have punishments to what your did unless you act to save yourself. That's the difference. There is no eternal hell or eternal heaven in Dharmic religions.

Well said

 

[Rusty]

All paths lead to GOD do not mean to polarize Indian society based on some conversion with fraud.

They show you money and all and convert them and then use them against India for demonstrations, so the problem becomes political where the power centers of these people lie in Vatican or Saudi Arabia.

For us it is better to reform and bring the out casts into main stream Indian society is important.

That makes no sense to me.
If you truly believed that all religions lead to God then WHY DO YOU CARE?
It's like me saying all smart phones are the same, but when you buy a iPhone I get really angry and upset.
(I know low IQ people will now say that I am comparing religion to phones, but hopefully the higher IQ people will understand what I said)
You CANNOT say that all religions lead to God, then get upset when someone chooses a different path.
This goes back to no coherent ideology since clearly some of you don't believe that all religions lead to God.

 

[Cherokee]

1. srawman. No one said anything about politics.
2. seriously? so there is no laws in certain states that send people to jail for eating beef? There was not a 500 year old mosque destroyed because some people decided that it was vital that they pray to their god in that exact place?
the problem so far with Dharmic religion is that it changes every time you talk to a different person about it. And it always sounds so nice too in theory. Don't worry about anything, believe what you want, do what you want, eat what you want, but just be a good person.....oh and don't eat beef....and other meats....and don't bow down toward mecca....and don't' call yourself a Christan... etc.
Catch my drift?

So like I said, Hinduism either needs to get together and create a coherent ideology or just give up on the notion of "Hinduism" since no one will know what it actually means. "oh you are a Hindu, so you don't eat meat?" "No I am from Tamil Nadu, I eat alot of meat" "okay, so you worship X god" "no, I worship Y god" etc etc.

LOL .. You will never stop moving in circles now do you : D . I have already replied to your BEEF laws post as well . Go back and Read . And Coherent Ideology question has been answered Thrice . Look it up as well .

And what you said is Inconsequential .We don't need a coherent ideology . We are not a mission of "Either you are with me or against me" . Get my drift . We are happy as we are . Thank you for your deep felt concern .

 

[Rusty]

I have answered that already...Dharmic religions believe that all paths lead to god but when people convert to abrahmic religions they stop believing in this...they start calling dharmic people as sinners and kafirs...this is not acceptable...

So all paths lead to God..... except Abrahamic ones...?

Can you cite that from the Vedas or are you just making that up?
No standards means that you can just make it up, but in that case so can I.
So I can say "All paths lead to God except the ones where you wear a green hat"
And that is perfectly valid in Hinduism....according to you.

 

[HeinzG]

1. if you have no rules then who is to say what is good or bad?

personally for each of us there is no one to say that except our conscience.

If there was a law that say "don't act bad" what do you think would happen?
Now will people know what "bad" is? How will people know what good is?

Well the simplest answer is the golden rule "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself" Golden Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then you say that if you are bad then you will get Karma back....Well that is punishment.

Well yes that is a punishment but it's not mandatory to suffer for eternity for your crime. You can reduce the ferocity of it, but have to suffer the consequences anyway.

If I told you "don't touch fire or you will get Karma back" and you do it, you will be punished by the burns on your hand.
So what you are saying is rather false when you say "You can choose to obey or not obey the choice is yours"
I see no differences between Karma and God in the sense that if you do good you will be rewarded by God/Karma and if you do bad you will be punished by God/Karma.

Well yes you can say Karma is like God. But Karma don't say you have to do good deeds or if you worship something you can escape your bad deeds. Karma is just a mechanism this universe runs just like gravity.

Well, in Islam you can forgo the ferocity all together by honestly repenting.....so...I don't really see much of a difrence again.

the only difference I see in what you said is that Abrahamic religions believe in the afterlife while Dharmic religions believe in re-incarnations.

Well repenting is good but doing good deeds more is far better altogether because then one can cover all the bad deeds he/she did until he is relieved from Karma.

There is no point in repenting and doing the same bad deeds because you are not deducting your bad karma.

 

[Azazel]

1. srawman. No one said anything about politics.
2. seriously? so there is no laws in certain states that send people to jail for eating beef? There was not a 500 year old mosque destroyed because some people decided that it was vital that they pray to their god in that exact place?
the problem so far with Dharmic religion is that it changes every time you talk to a different person about it. And it always sounds so nice too in theory. Don't worry about anything, believe what you want, do what you want, eat what you want, but just be a good person.....oh and don't eat beef....and other meats....and don't bow down toward mecca....and don't' call yourself a Christan... etc.
Catch my drift?



So like I said, Hinduism either needs to get together and create a coherent ideology or just give up on the notion of "Hinduism" since no one will know what it actually means. "oh you are a Hindu, so you don't eat meat?" "No I am from Tamil Nadu, I eat alot of meat" "okay, so you worship X god" "no, I worship Y god" etc etc.

I could say the same thing about Islam or Christianity.When does they all have so many sects or churches,so many divisions and sectarianisms why don't form a coherent ideology??.Culinary habits have nothing to do with fundamentals of Dharmic beliefs.We are humans and we can never form a coherent ideology on anything.We will always have our differences.Its better to agree on that differences and move on.

 

[Cherokee]

So all paths lead to God..... except Abrahamic ones...?

Can you cite that from the Vedas or are you just making that up?
No standards means that you can just make it up, but in that case so can I.
So I can say "All paths lead to God except the ones where you wear a green hat"
And that is perfectly valid in Hinduism....according to you.

Or a Orange one in your case . If i feel like wearing orange one will not lead me to god , i will not wear it but i will not go around killing everyone with a orange hat and forcing them not to wear it or pay money if they still want to wear one .

Again you will jump on Orrisa , Godhra and Babri and that has been answered in my Bad apples post .

 

[Azazel]

So all paths lead to God..... except Abrahamic ones...?

Can you cite that from the Vedas or are you just making that up?
No standards means that you can just make it up, but in that case so can I.
So I can say "All paths lead to God except the ones where you wear a green hat"
And that is perfectly valid in Hinduism....according to you.

There are no exceptions.All paths leads to god one way or another.Its one of the concepts of the panatheism.Your Indophobic mentality is the reason for stupid posts.The difference between Hindu god and Abrahamic God is Hindu says everything is God,but an Abrhamic believer says everything is God’s.

 

[kingkobra]

1. if you have no rules then who is to say what is good or bad?
If there was a law that say "don't act bad" what do you think would happen?
Now will people know what "bad" is? How will people know what good is?
Then you say that if you are bad then you will get Karma back....Well that is punishment.
If I told you "don't touch fire or you will get Karma back" and you do it, you will be punished by the burns on your hand.
So what you are saying is rather false when you say "You can choose to obey or not obey the choice is yours"
I see no differences between Karma and God in the sense that if you do good you will be rewarded by God/Karma and if you do bad you will be punished by God/Karma.

Well, in Islam you can forgo the ferocity all together by honestly repenting.....so...I don't really see much of a difrence again.

the only difference I see in what you said is that Abrahamic religions believe in the afterlife while Dharmic religions believe in re-incarnations.

Dharmic religions have guidelines...Having rules does not mean one religion has leverage over others...Abrahmic religions like islam have so called rules that denies muslims for many things and yet we see muslims in all kinds of illegal activities all around the world..

Vedic dharma has principles or disciplines

10 DISCIPLINES of vedic dharma
1. Satya (Truth)
2. Ahimsa (Non-violence)
3. Brahmacharya (Celibacy, non-adultery)
4. Asteya (No desire to possess or steal)
5. Aparighara (Non-corrupt)
6. Shaucha (Cleanliness)
7. Santosh (Contentment)
8. Swadhyaya (Reading of scriptures)
9. Tapas (Austerity, perseverance, penance)
10. Ishwarpranidhan (Regular prayers)

5 Buddhist Percepts

1. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking life.
2. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking what is not given.
3. I undertake the training rule to abstain from sexual misconduct.
4. I undertake the training rule to abstain from false speech.
5. I undertake the training rule to abstain from fermented drink that causes heedlessness.

5 Fundamentals of Janism

Non-violence - Ahimsa
Truth - Satya
Non-stealing - Achaurya or Asteya
Celibacy/Chastity - Brahmacharya
Non-attachment/Non-possession - Aparigraha

Three Tenets of the Sikh Faith

Naam japna, remembering God through meditation
Kirat karo, earning an honest living
Vand chakko, selflessly serving others, sharing income and resources:

 

[Rusty]

personally for each of us there is no one to say that except our conscience.




Well the simplest answer is the golden rule "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself" Golden Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Well yes that is a punishment but it's not mandatory to suffer for eternity for your crime. You can reduce the ferocity of it, but have to suffer the consequences anyway.



Well yes you can say Karma is like God. But Karma don't say you have to do good deeds or if you worship something you can escape your bad deeds. Karma is just a mechanism this universe runs just like gravity.



Well repenting is good but doing good deeds more is far better altogether because then one can cover all the bad deeds he/she did until he is relieved from Karma.

There is no point in repenting and doing the same bad deeds because you are not deducting your bad karma.

1. My conscience says that if I kill your kids and steal your land I am a good person. Does that mean that if I do that I will get good karma?
do you know that most Serial killers honestly think that what they are doing is a good thing? now if we go by what you said, they should only get good karma.

2. Lets say I am a sadist , so according to you I should hurt people and inflict pain in them because I want that to happen to me.

3. so you are making a distinction between the length of the punishment, but at least you knowledge that there is a punishment. Before you made it sound like you didn't believe Karma was punishment.
Btw, being re-incarnated for eternity until you become a good person sounds like a long long punishment to me

4. amm...no. It does say you have to do good deeds, or you will have punishments.
So it's like saying "Fire doesn't say you can't touch it, but if you touch it you will suffer" So yes, Fire is saying to not touch it.
just like Karma is saying to be good or you will suffer. (as is God)

5. I agree, it's better to do good deeds in the first place, that is what God says.
but if you did do some bad things, In Islam you can honestly repent to God and not do that bad thing again.
but according to Karma....well you are SOL.

I could say the same thing about Islam or Christianity.When does they all have so many sects or churches,so many divisions and sectarianisms why don't form a coherent ideology??.Culinary habits have nothing to do with fundamentals of Dharmic beliefs.We are humans and we can never form a coherent ideology on anything.We will always have our differences.Its better to agree on that differences and move on.

Sure, you can say what ever you want, but open a new thread and do it, this one is about Hinduism and the lack of unifying ideology.

 

[Cherokee]

One more Thing Orange Capped Rusty can learn here is that everyone is posting answers to him according to his or her understanding of DharmiC religions but none of the posters are on Each others Throats because their answers are not Similar . Learn it and Cultivate it and the orange Cap will benefit a lot from it . For comparison you can Read Wahhabism: connection to terrorism thread as you are very interested in comparative Studies . This is what Coherent Ideology gets you .

 

[Rusty]

There are no exceptions.All paths leads to god one way or another.Its one of the concepts of the panatheism.Your Indophobic mentality is the reason for stupid posts.The difference between Hindu god and Abrahamic God is Hindu says everything is God,but an Abrhamic believer says everything is God’s.

but your buddy up there said that Abrahamic ones dont' lead to God. So who is right? Either he is and you are a lyer, or you are and is a lyer.

Another problem with not having a unified ideology is that you can't defend it, so when someone like me comes along who questions it and you don't have good answers you get angry and call people names.

 

[kingkobra]

1. My conscience says that if I kill your kids and steal your land I am a good person. Does that mean that if I do that I will get good karma?
do you know that most Serial killers honestly think that what they are doing is a good thing? now if we go by what you said, they should only get good karma.

2. Lets say I am a sadist , so according to you I should hurt people and inflict pain in them because I want that to happen to me.

3. so you are making a distinction between the length of the punishment, but at least you knowledge that there is a punishment. Before you made it sound like you didn't believe Karma was punishment.
Btw, being re-incarnated for eternity until you become a good person sounds like a long long punishment to me

4. amm...no. It does say you have to do good deeds, or you will have punishments.
So it's like saying "Fire doesn't say you can't touch it, but if you touch it you will suffer" So yes, Fire is saying to not touch it.
just like Karma is saying to be good or you will suffer. (as is God)

5. I agree, it's better to do good deeds in the first place, that is what God says.
but if you did do some bad things, In Islam you can honestly repent to God and not do that bad thing again.
but according to Karma....well you are SOL.




Sure, you can say what ever you want, but open a new thread and do it, this one is about Hinduism and the lack of unifying ideology.

I guess this is the reason why islam has produced so many terrorists as they know that god will forgive them for killing innocents...Karma does not say that kill innocents and you are doing good thing...basic principles of dharmic religions do not allow us to do bad things..


10 DISCIPLINES of vedic dharma
1. Satya (Truth)
2. Ahimsa (Non-violence)
3. Brahmacharya (Celibacy, non-adultery)
4. Asteya (No desire to possess or steal)
5. Aparighara (Non-corrupt)
6. Shaucha (Cleanliness)
7. Santosh (Contentment)
8. Swadhyaya (Reading of scriptures)
9. Tapas (Austerity, perseverance, penance)
10. Ishwarpranidhan (Regular prayers)

5 Buddhist Percepts

1. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking life.
2. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking what is not given.
3. I undertake the training rule to abstain from sexual misconduct.
4. I undertake the training rule to abstain from false speech.
5. I undertake the training rule to abstain from fermented drink that causes heedlessness.

5 Fundamentals of Janism

Non-violence - Ahimsa
Truth - Satya
Non-stealing - Achaurya or Asteya
Celibacy/Chastity - Brahmacharya
Non-attachment/Non-possession - Aparigraha

Three Tenets of the Sikh Faith

Naam japna, remembering God through meditation
Kirat karo, earning an honest living
Vand chakko, selflessly serving others, sharing income and resources:

 

[Rusty]

Dharmic religions have guidelines...Having rules does not mean one religion has leverage over others...Abrahmic religions like islam have so called rules that denies muslims for many things and yet we see muslims in all kinds of illegal activities all around the world..

Vedic dharma has principles or disciplines

10 DISCIPLINES of vedic dharma
1. Satya (Truth)
2. Ahimsa (Non-violence)
3. Brahmacharya (Celibacy, non-adultery)
4. Asteya (No desire to possess or steal)
5. Aparighara (Non-corrupt)
6. Shaucha (Cleanliness)
7. Santosh (Contentment)
8. Swadhyaya (Reading of scriptures)
9. Tapas (Austerity, perseverance, penance)
10. Ishwarpranidhan (Regular prayers)

5 Buddhist Percepts

1. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking life.
2. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking what is not given.
3. I undertake the training rule to abstain from sexual misconduct.
4. I undertake the training rule to abstain from false speech.
5. I undertake the training rule to abstain from fermented drink that causes heedlessness.

5 Fundamentals of Janism

Non-violence - Ahimsa
Truth - Satya
Non-stealing - Achaurya or Asteya
Celibacy/Chastity - Brahmacharya
Non-attachment/Non-possession - Aparigraha

Three Tenets of the Sikh Faith

Naam japna, remembering God through meditation
Kirat karo, earning an honest living
Vand chakko, selflessly serving others, sharing income and resources:

1. what is the difference between the guidelines and rules?
you seem to think that somehow Hinduism is better because of this distinction, so I would like to know how.
2. The fact that some Muslim don't follow the rules has no bearing on the rules.

3. But previous members said that Hinduisms doesn't have rules, and one guy even said that having rituals is not important in Hinduism.
So either he is lying or you are OR since Hinduism doesn't have a unifying identity you both are telling the truth and in that case the term "Hinduism" has no real meaning.

 

[Azazel]

but your buddy up there said that Abrahamic ones dont' lead to God. So who is right? Either he is and you are a lyer, or you are and is a lyer.

Another problem with not having a unified ideology is that you can't defend it, so when someone like me comes along who questions it and you don't have good answers you get angry and call people names.

I don't know,do you??,Some people say God is a giant sphegatti monster.All we know that he could also be true,unless somebody can prove it wrong,which is very unlikely.And I don't want a unified ideology and I don't want to believe in some silly books.

Sure, you can say what ever you want, but open a new thread and do it, this one is about Hinduism and the lack of unifying ideology.

Sure, you can say what ever you want, but open a new thread and do it, this one is about a Srilankan President visiting an Indian temple.