Sri Lankan president offers prayers at Tirupati Balaji Temple

[Cherokee]

Actions speak louder than words

2002 Gujarat violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Orissa, India Christians Still Face Boycott, Forced Conversion

Just two examples, countless more available.

OK , Then how is it related to Dharmic Religions . I am shocked at your bigotry . I sure you will be the first one to claim religion has nothing to do with Violence and those who do it are not part of your religion ( Standard internet Script for past decade or so with a little bit changes here and there ) and when it will come to other religions , you will cyr a river over it .

And if you see Gujarat violence it was Inter-religion violence not Intra-religion violence as it happens across the globe amongst Abarahmanic religions

 

[scorpionx]

@Rusty:
1. We have four Vedas which was composed by various sages for the last 5000 odd years ago. The book by Bal Gangadhar Tilak in which he explains the antiquity of Rg veda proves this quite clearly. Now thats not the end. We have four parts of each veda. Upanishada or vedanta is last of them (I am not going into too much details). Vedanta means the extract/juice of Veda which was composed almost 500 years before the birth of Buddha. Shankaracharya was the first reformist who took the lead to reinvent and reconstruct the pillars of Hinduism (when Buddhist were sledge hammering our old useless customs and superstitions) by explaining Upanishada starting from the scratch(around 900 AD). Then Ramanujam,Madhbacharya came with their own explanations which differ little from each other and mostly based on the scripts of Vedanta.From then these three paths have been followed by most of the sects ,only difference is in rituals.
The latest reform of Hinduism was done by Swami Vivekananda by his Neo-vedanta which has been followed by a vast number of Indians all over the world.
2. Yes,there is no unified ideology.But whatever ideology they follow the basic always leads to the three main streams. The message is and always has been the same and is being followed by every Indian.

 

[Cherokee]

I was going to do a large rebuttle of your points but then I realized who I was talking to.
It's a wast of time.


At the end of the day Hinduism has no coherent ideology and that is why some people are enacting jail time for killing animals while other peoples are sacrificing them in the temples.




What if I told you that my personal path in my Dharmic religion was to kill 100 innocent people?
That is my choice and I am using it to get closer to God.
According to you that is perfectly fine since you think having standards and coherent ideology is a bad thing.

btw, I really hope your cricket teams/military/police have the same attitude.
It should be their choice how they play/fight/uphold the law.
and everyone should be free to do what ever they want.
we all know that, that is the best way to build a team/society.

LOL , I also can't waste my time providing huge rebuttals to you but for Religion and STATE are different . Again a concept which you will not be able to grasp seeing where you are coming from .

 

[kingkobra]

Actions speak louder than words

2002 Gujarat violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Orissa, India Christians Still Face Boycott, Forced Conversion

Just two examples, countless more available.

Actions of few shall not define a religion...

Instead of giving you untrustworthy links I will give you video of victims of these christian missionaries who ridicule Dharmic religions to convert people

 

[HeinzG]

please explain what you mean.
In Islam you have choices too, follow the right path and be rewarded by being with and knowing God or follow the wrong path and reap the consequences.

How is Dharmic religions any different?

Well there is no rules in dharmic religions IAFAIK, only guidelines. You can choose to obey or not obey the choice is yours. No one is going to punish you for what you did or going to do, but the karma good or bad (the end result of your deed) is coming back to you with it's rewards. It's not someone giving you a punishment but like gravity or any other universal law which is bound to happen.

The biggest difference the law of Karma is having to Abrahamic religions is that you can reduce the ferocity of the result of your deed by countering it with opposite karma (do the opposite of what you did, do good if done bad or do bad if done good). In the end you are not bound to have punishments to what your did unless you act to save yourself. That's the difference. There is no eternal hell or eternal heaven in Dharmic religions.

 

[kingkobra]

Well there is no rules in dharmic religions IAFAIK, only guidelines. You can choose to obey or not obey the choice is yours. No one is going to punish you for what you did or going to do, but the karma good or bad (the end result of your deed) is coming back to you with it's rewards. It's not someone giving you a punishment but like gravity or any other universal law which is bound to happen.

The biggest difference the law of Karma is having to Abrahamic religions is that you can reduce the ferocity of the result of your deed by countering it with opposite karma (do the opposite of what you did, do good if done bad or do bad if done good). In the end you are not bound to have punishments to what your did unless you act to save yourself. That's the difference. There is no eternal hell or eternal heaven in Dharmic religions.

Exactly brother...

 

[jbond197]

@HeinzG - Good reply!!

 

[Rusty]

Religion for you might be a sports team , where you are out to compete with other "sports team" and win the cup for "ultimate sports team" . Thats not the case with dharmic religions and i am sure it would be hard for you to grasp it going by the analogy you presented .

so you think that you don't need people working under a unifying order to be effective?
I know you are not smart enough to understand the analogy that I just gave, that is a given, but you dint address anything in my post.

The reason is that you cannot defend it because what I said is true. A Hindu from UP might be super vegitarian and only eats vegetables and milk, while a Hindu from Tamil Nadu is eating fish, crabs, shrimps and even sacrificing goats in the name of Hinduism.

How does that make sense in a coherent ideology? please tell me that.
Just answer that one question.

OK , Then how is it related to Dharmic Religions . I am shocked at your bigotry . I sure you will be the first one to claim religion has nothing to do with Violence and those who do it are not part of your religion ( Standard internet Script for past decade or so with a little bit changes here and there ) and when it will come to other religions , you will cyr a river over it .

And if you see Gujarat violence it was Inter-religion violence not Intra-religion violence as it happens across the globe amongst Abarahmanic religions

are you a chick?
I am only asking because you are using chick logic right now.

 

[Cherokee]

so you think that you don't need people working under a unifying order to be effective?
I know you are not smart enough to understand the analogy that I just gave, that is a given, but you dint address anything in my post.

The reason is that you cannot defend it because what I said is true. A Hindu from UP might be super vegitarian and only eats vegetables and milk, while a Hindu from Tamil Nadu is eating fish, crabs, shrimps and even sacrificing goats in the name of Hinduism.

How does that make sense in a coherent ideology? please tell me that.
Just answer that one question.

No , I dont Think People need to work under unified view of RELIGION to be effective . Look around How Effective "Religious" countries are today , you will get an Answer . Religion mixed with state spells doom .

And in Your Life Your Eating Habits maybe the most important Hinge on which Religion hangs on , while in Dharmic Religion as stated earlier , twice ( but you still going around in circles) eating habits , Praying habits and other Habits have not Much significance . And i Have Replied to Your Coherent Ideology analogy also Twice . You might be in desperate need of it to make sense of Life , but such is not the case over here .

And We have Seen How far Coherent Ideology has Takien MENA .( E.g. , Syria and all) . So No Thank you We dont need any coherent ideology .

 

[Rusty]

@Rusty:
1. We have four Vedas which was composed by various sages for the last 5000 odd years ago. The book by Bal Gangadhar Tilak in which he explains the antiquity of Rg veda proves this quite clearly. Now thats not the end. We have four parts of each veda. Upanishada or vedanta is last of them (I am not going into too much details). Vedanta means the extract/juice of Veda which was composed almost 500 years before the birth of Buddha. Shankaracharya was the first reformist who took the lead to reinvent and reconstruct the pillars of Hinduism (when Buddhist were sledge hammering our old useless customs and superstitions) by explaining Upanishada starting from the scratch(around 900 AD). Then Ramanujam,Madhbacharya came with their own explanations which differ little from each other and mostly based on the scripts of Vedanta.From then these three paths have been followed by most of the sects ,only difference is in rituals.
The latest reform of Hinduism was done by Swami Vivekananda by his Neo-vedanta which has been followed by a vast number of Indians all over the world.
2. Yes,there is no unified ideology.But whatever ideology they follow the basic always leads to the three main streams. The message is and always has been the same and is being followed by every Indian.

Alright, you have 4 Vedas, that is a good starting point.
And you have reformers, that is also good.
The problem is still getting the masses to adopt this reform.
When your faith is based on people doing what ever they want, then this is an almost impossible task. So once again, no unifying theory.
2. I am glad you see that there is no unified theory and not getting defensive like the other members.
So what are the 3 main streams?
And if what you say is true then that BEGS the question. Why do Hindus get upset when other Hindus join another religion?
According to your own faith, all paths lead to God. Why does it bother Hindus when a Hindu says "I want to follow the Christian path to God" or the Islamic path to God or what ever.
If you truly believed in this, there would be no RSS or even BJP, there would be no communal violence against minorities and half of India's problems would be solved just like that.
Unfortunately this is not the reality.

 

[Rusty]

Well there is no rules in dharmic religions IAFAIK, only guidelines. You can choose to obey or not obey the choice is yours. No one is going to punish you for what you did or going to do, but the karma good or bad (the end result of your deed) is coming back to you with it's rewards. It's not someone giving you a punishment but like gravity or any other universal law which is bound to happen.

The biggest difference the law of Karma is having to Abrahamic religions is that you can reduce the ferocity of the result of your deed by countering it with opposite karma (do the opposite of what you did, do good if done bad or do bad if done good). In the end you are not bound to have punishments to what your did unless you act to save yourself. That's the difference. There is no eternal hell or eternal heaven in Dharmic religions.

1. if you have no rules then who is to say what is good or bad?
If there was a law that say "don't act bad" what do you think would happen?
Now will people know what "bad" is? How will people know what good is?
Then you say that if you are bad then you will get Karma back....Well that is punishment.
If I told you "don't touch fire or you will get Karma back" and you do it, you will be punished by the burns on your hand.
So what you are saying is rather false when you say "You can choose to obey or not obey the choice is yours"
I see no differences between Karma and God in the sense that if you do good you will be rewarded by God/Karma and if you do bad you will be punished by God/Karma.

Well, in Islam you can forgo the ferocity all together by honestly repenting.....so...I don't really see much of a difrence again.

the only difference I see in what you said is that Abrahamic religions believe in the afterlife while Dharmic religions believe in re-incarnations.

 

[Hellraiser007]

Alright, you have 4 Vedas, that is a good starting point.
And you have reformers, that is also good.
The problem is still getting the masses to adopt this reform.
When your faith is based on people doing what ever they want, then this is an almost impossible task. So once again, no unifying theory.
2. I am glad you see that there is no unified theory and not getting defensive like the other members.
So what are the 3 main streams?
And if what you say is true then that BEGS the question. Why do Hindus get upset when other Hindus join another religion?
According to your own faith, all paths lead to God. Why does it bother Hindus when a Hindu says "I want to follow the Christian path to God" or the Islamic path to God or what ever.
If you truly believed in this, there would be no RSS or even BJP, there would be no communal violence against minorities and half of India's problems would be solved just like that.
Unfortunately this is not the reality.

All paths lead to GOD do not mean to polarize Indian society based on some conversion with fraud.

They show you money and all and convert them and then use them against India for demonstrations, so the problem becomes political where the power centers of these people lie in Vatican or Saudi Arabia.

For us it is better to reform and bring the out casts into main stream Indian society is important.

 

[Backbencher]

Self delete

 

[kingkobra]

Alright, you have 4 Vedas, that is a good starting point.
And you have reformers, that is also good.
The problem is still getting the masses to adopt this reform.
When your faith is based on people doing what ever they want, then this is an almost impossible task. So once again, no unifying theory.
2. I am glad you see that there is no unified theory and not getting defensive like the other members.
So what are the 3 main streams?
And if what you say is true then that BEGS the question. Why do Hindus get upset when other Hindus join another religion?
According to your own faith, all paths lead to God. Why does it bother Hindus when a Hindu says "I want to follow the Christian path to God" or the Islamic path to God or what ever.
If you truly believed in this, there would be no RSS or even BJP, there would be no communal violence against minorities and half of India's problems would be solved just like that. Unfortunately this is not the reality.

I have answered that already...Dharmic religions believe that all paths lead to god but when people convert to abrahmic religions they stop believing in this...they start calling dharmic people as sinners and kafirs...this is not acceptable...

 

[Rusty]

No , I dont Think People need to work under unified view of RELIGION to be effective . Look around How Effective "Religious" countries are today , you will get an Answer . Religion mixed with state spells doom .

And in Your Life Your Eating Habits maybe the most important Hinge on which Religion hangs on , while in Dharmic Religion as stated earlier , twice ( but you still going around in circles) eating habits , Praying habits and other Habits have not Much significance . And i Have Replied to Your Coherent Ideology analogy also Twice . You might be in desperate need of it to make sense of Life , but such is not the case over here .

And We have Seen How far Coherent Ideology has Takien MENA .( E.g. , Syria and all) . So No Thank you We dont need any coherent ideology .

1. srawman. No one said anything about politics.
2. seriously? so there is no laws in certain states that send people to jail for eating beef? There was not a 500 year old mosque destroyed because some people decided that it was vital that they pray to their god in that exact place?
the problem so far with Dharmic religion is that it changes every time you talk to a different person about it. And it always sounds so nice too in theory. Don't worry about anything, believe what you want, do what you want, eat what you want, but just be a good person.....oh and don't eat beef....and other meats....and don't bow down toward mecca....and don't' call yourself a Christan... etc.
Catch my drift?

So like I said, Hinduism either needs to get together and create a coherent ideology or just give up on the notion of "Hinduism" since no one will know what it actually means. "oh you are a Hindu, so you don't eat meat?" "No I am from Tamil Nadu, I eat alot of meat" "okay, so you worship X god" "no, I worship Y god" etc etc.