Spain Central Gov. prepares military intervention in Katalonia

[Mr.Department]

Translate what it says: "ist längst bekannt."

Already known....ok boss? But date of publishing is the same.

 

[Penguin]

Strangely enough, the Basque region, despite the turbulence, is still part of Spain. As with any separation, the authorities will see it as the beginning of a disintegration process.

If the military card is off the table, what is left?

Refuse them EU membership. If the Catelans want to become a new Bulgaria, let them.

Already known....ok boss? But date of publishing is the same.

the military option is long since known > OLD NEWS

 

[Mr.Department]

If the Catelans want to become a new Bulgaria, let them.

I believe EU would not exclude them. Same is for Scotland if they make an other referandum.

 

[Penguin]

Buddy I studied long ago a while in Gent and shared a flat with a Valon student girl.
She was radical and claimed that she is pure French and Flamanes are unwanted German trash.
We wanted a united world and wealth for all in 21th century, but what happens is a planned radicalization, separatizm and nationalizm. This will last up to the time population on the globe will decrease to a tolerable niveau. Sounds like conspiracy but I believe in it.

Then she was an IDIOT. Flamands/Flemish are not German at all. According to her, the Dutch would probably be German as well. Are you sure you understood correctly?

The Flemish or Flemings (Dutch: Vlamingen) are a 'Germanic' ethnic group native to Flanders, in modern Belgium, who speak Dutch, especially any of its dialects spoken in historical Flanders, known collectively as Flemish Dutch. They are one of two principal ethnic groups in Belgium, the other being the French-speaking Walloons. Flemish people make up the majority of the Belgian population (about 60%). Historically, all inhabitants of the medieval County of Flanders were referred to as "Flemings", irrespective of the language spoken. The contemporary region of Flanders comprises a part of this historical county, as well as parts of the medieval duchy of Brabant and the medieval county of Loon.

The Eighty Years' War (1568–1648) divided the Low Countries into the northern United Provinces (Belgica Foederata in Latin, the "Federated Netherlands") and the Southern Netherlands (Belgica Regia, the "Royal Netherlands"). The latter were ruled successively by the Spanish (Spanish Netherlands) and the Austrian Habsburgs (Austrian Netherlands) and comprised most of modern Belgium. This was the theatre of most Franco-Spanish and Franco-Austrian wars during the 17th and 18th centuries.

Following the campaigns of 1794 in the French Revolutionary Wars, the Low Countries—including territories that were never nominally under Habsburg rule, such as the Prince-Bishopric of Liège—were annexed by the French First Republic, ending Austrian rule in the region. The reunification of the Low Countries as the United Kingdom of the Netherlands occurred at the dissolution of the First French Empire in 1815, after the defeat of Napoleon.

In 1830, the Belgian Revolution led to the separation of the Southern Provinces from the Netherlands and to the establishment of a Catholic and bourgeois, officially French-speaking and neutral, independent Belgium under a provisional government and a national congress.

The Low Countries in the late 14th century

The Netherlands today

Belgium today

 

[Vergennes]

Buddy I studied long ago a while in Gent and shared a flat with a Valon student girl.
She was radical and claimed that she is pure French and Flamanes are unwanted German trash.
We wanted a united world and wealth for all in 21th century, but what happens is a planned radicalization, separatizm and nationalizm. This will last up to the time population on the globe will decrease to a tolerable niveau. Sounds like conspiracy but I believe in it.

From my own experience,most Belgians do not care about community conflict nor want the country to split,it seems that the question is only carried out and raised by politicians and medias while the majority do not care at all.

There might be some rivalries,but you are talking as if they were about to split and slaughter each others.

Maybe it's good to ask a Belgian what he thinks about this. @Cell_DbZ

 

[KingWest]

From my own experience,most Belgians do not care about community conflict nor want the country to split,it seems that the question is only carried out and raised by politicians and medias while the majority do not care at all.

There might be some rivalries,but you are talking as if they were about to split and slaughter each others.

Maybe it's good to ask a Belgian what he thinks about this. @Cell_DbZ

Most people I know dont identify with Belgians. They state that they are Flemish first and European second. If I would call my friends Belgian, they would quickly correct me and say they are Flemish.

 

[vostok]

YugoSlavia = South Russia , wrong ?

Russians are the biggest Slavic nation, but not the only one. Slavic peoples = 300 mln of wich 1/2, 150 mln are Russian.

 

[Cell_DbZ]

Maybe it's good to ask a Belgian what he thinks about this. @Cell_DbZ

Me a Belgian? as per a few Chinese members on PDF I am an Indian nationalist, so I don't know where you get that from.

From my own experience,most Belgians do not care about community conflict nor want the country to split,it seems that the question is only carried out and raised by politicians and medias while the majority do not care at all.

It's a really odd situation actually, at one hand people do actually care (we could have gone into a civil war once in 1950, but that had more to do with the aftermath of ww2). The biggest party in Flanders (N-VA) (also seated in the federal government) is (was) pro seperation, but they have back-tracked considerably since they went mainstream. Now why they are the most popular party in Flanders has to do with much more with issues like immigration; they support a tough stance on this issue. They still identify themselves as Flemish however so do a considerable amount Flemish people. They still 'serve' Flemish interests (mainly on economical level) along with the Belgian interests.
The main issues between people are rather small thing, for example, we Flemish have to learn French at school, but the Walloons don't have to learn Dutch, some view this as a 'lack of respect'.

It still has to be noted that the Belgium had 6 state reforms since 1970 (constitution changed 5 times, I believe); we went from a republic to a federal country, this had to do with socio-economic issues, for example Brussels turning French (some Flemish are still very salty about that) or the economic decline of the Walloons. Nowadays those issues aren't that existing.

At the other hand we Flemish are one of the most individualistic people and people only really start to care when this issue is brought to attention and we can question the seriousness of this issue, it's like something happens (Like when the Walloons blocked CETA), we Flemish are like "Let's seperate from those useless Walloons!".
The Flemish are very aware that splitting the country would be an economical disaster and considereing the Flemish are even greedier than the Dutch, that's a big no no(n). It is possible that in 2019 we might have another state reform (and constitutional change), turning this country in a federation, giving Flanders and Walloons (and Brussels) increased autonomy, thus de facto 'splitting'. This might be the 'solution', but nobody knows what this 'federation' would look like, as this picked up steam recently when the chairman of the N-VA talked about this.

I'd argue that the biggest divide between the Flemish and Walloons is not based on language, economy or even nationalism, but on different political spectrums, Flanders leaning more on the centre-right and the Walloons being filthy socialists (commies). Liberals, conservatives and socialists tend to have good relationships with their differently speaking counterparts.

Maybe it's good to ask a Belgian what he thinks about this. @Cell_DbZ

I don't have anything against my fellow countrymen who speak French, but whenever I go to the Walloons, it doesn't feel like I'm in Belgium but in another country altogether, so yes at times I don't feel 'Belgian' at all. That doesn't mean I wan't this country split, this would cause economical problems to both Flanders an Walloons and more importantly, we would lose an amazing (but underperforming) national football team (soccerteam for the Americans who could be reading this).

The splitting thing comes more from the Flemish side than the Walloon side, once I went to the Walloons and explained this situation to some people I met and they reacted surprised and a little bit saddened, as they considered themselves Belgians more than Walloons. Now I cannot speak for the Walloons, but I'm pretty sure the seperation thing is a lot weaker there.

I consider myself a 'Flemish Belgian'

 

[Vergennes]

Me a Belgian? as per a few Chinese members on PDF I am an Indian nationalist, so I don't know where you get that from.



It's a really odd situation actually, at one hand people do actually care (we could have gone into a civil war once in 1950, but that had more to do with the aftermath of ww2). The biggest party in Flanders (N-VA) (also seated in the federal government) is (was) pro seperation, but they have back-tracked considerably since they went mainstream. Now why they are the most popular party in Flanders has to do with much more with issues like immigration; they support a tough stance on this issue. They still identify themselves as Flemish however so do a considerable amount Flemish people. They still 'serve' Flemish interests (mainly on economical level) along with the Belgian interests.
The main issues between people are rather small thing, for example, we Flemish have to learn French at school, but the Walloons don't have to learn Dutch, some view this as a 'lack of respect'.

It still has to be noted that the Belgium had 6 state reforms since 1970 (constitution changed 5 times, I believe); we went from a republic to a federal country, this had to do with socio-economic issues, for example Brussels turning French (some Flemish are still very salty about that) or the economic decline of the Walloons. Nowadays those issues aren't that existing.

At the other hand we Flemish are one of the most individualistic people and people only really start to care when this issue is brought to attention and we can question the seriousness of this issue, it's like something happens (Like when the Walloons blocked CETA), we Flemish are like "Let's seperate from those useless Walloons!".
The Flemish are very aware that splitting the country would be an economical disaster and considereing the Flemish are even greedier than the Dutch, that's a big no no(n). It is possible that in 2019 we might have another state reform (and constitutional change), turning this country in a federation, giving Flanders and Walloons (and Brussels) increased autonomy, thus de facto 'splitting'. This might be the 'solution', but nobody knows what this 'federation' would look like, as this picked up steam recently when the chairman of the N-VA talked about this.

I'd argue that the biggest divide between the Flemish and Walloons is not based on language, economy or even nationalism, but on different political spectrums, Flanders leaning more on the centre-right and the Walloons being filthy socialists (commies). Liberals, conservatives and socialists tend to have good relationships with their differently speaking counterparts.


I don't have anything against my fellow countrymen who speak French, but whenever I go to the Walloons, it doesn't feel like I'm in Belgium but in another country altogether, so yes at times I don't feel 'Belgian' at all. That doesn't mean I wan't this country split, this would cause economical problems to both Flanders an Walloons and more importantly, we would lose an amazing (but underperforming) national football team (soccerteam for the Americans who could be reading this).

The splitting thing comes more from the Flemish side than the Walloon side, once I went to the Walloons and explained this situation to some people I met and they reacted surprised and a little bit saddened, as they considered themselves Belgians more than Walloons. Now I cannot speak for the Walloons, but I'm pretty sure the seperation thing is a lot weaker there.

I consider myself a 'Flemish Belgian'

Thanks,that's more clear !

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Well,to solve the issue,Belgium must be split in two with the north joining the Netherlands and the south France ! Bruxelles/Brussel will act as a buffer zone. @Penguin

 

[UKBengali]

Me a Belgian? as per a few Chinese members on PDF I am an Indian nationalist, so I don't know where you get that from.



It's a really odd situation actually, at one hand people do actually care (we could have gone into a civil war once in 1950, but that had more to do with the aftermath of ww2). The biggest party in Flanders (N-VA) (also seated in the federal government) is (was) pro seperation, but they have back-tracked considerably since they went mainstream. Now why they are the most popular party in Flanders has to do with much more with issues like immigration; they support a tough stance on this issue. They still identify themselves as Flemish however so do a considerable amount Flemish people. They still 'serve' Flemish interests (mainly on economical level) along with the Belgian interests.
The main issues between people are rather small thing, for example, we Flemish have to learn French at school, but the Walloons don't have to learn Dutch, some view this as a 'lack of respect'.

It still has to be noted that the Belgium had 6 state reforms since 1970 (constitution changed 5 times, I believe); we went from a republic to a federal country, this had to do with socio-economic issues, for example Brussels turning French (some Flemish are still very salty about that) or the economic decline of the Walloons. Nowadays those issues aren't that existing.

At the other hand we Flemish are one of the most individualistic people and people only really start to care when this issue is brought to attention and we can question the seriousness of this issue, it's like something happens (Like when the Walloons blocked CETA), we Flemish are like "Let's seperate from those useless Walloons!".
The Flemish are very aware that splitting the country would be an economical disaster and considereing the Flemish are even greedier than the Dutch, that's a big no no(n). It is possible that in 2019 we might have another state reform (and constitutional change), turning this country in a federation, giving Flanders and Walloons (and Brussels) increased autonomy, thus de facto 'splitting'. This might be the 'solution', but nobody knows what this 'federation' would look like, as this picked up steam recently when the chairman of the N-VA talked about this.

I'd argue that the biggest divide between the Flemish and Walloons is not based on language, economy or even nationalism, but on different political spectrums, Flanders leaning more on the centre-right and the Walloons being filthy socialists (commies). Liberals, conservatives and socialists tend to have good relationships with their differently speaking counterparts.


I don't have anything against my fellow countrymen who speak French, but whenever I go to the Walloons, it doesn't feel like I'm in Belgium but in another country altogether, so yes at times I don't feel 'Belgian' at all. That doesn't mean I wan't this country split, this would cause economical problems to both Flanders an Walloons and more importantly, we would lose an amazing (but underperforming) national football team (soccerteam for the Americans who could be reading this).

The splitting thing comes more from the Flemish side than the Walloon side, once I went to the Walloons and explained this situation to some people I met and they reacted surprised and a little bit saddened, as they considered themselves Belgians more than Walloons. Now I cannot speak for the Walloons, but I'm pretty sure the seperation thing is a lot weaker there.

I consider myself a 'Flemish Belgian'

I read an article in the Economist magazine that said that there is almost no intermarriage between Walloons and Flemish people. Is this true?

 

[T-123456]

I read an article in the Economist magazine that said that there is almost no intermarriage between Walloons and Flemish people. Is this true?

No,thats bs.

 

[Cell_DbZ]

Well,to solve the issue,Belgium must be split in two with the north joining the Netherlands

Never! Like my granny once said: "you can only trust a Dutchman when he's been dead for at least 3 days!"

and the south France !

You can keep 'em! your economy will go down 1/5 within a year

Bruxelles/Brussel will act as a buffer zone. @Penguin

That would be an effective bufferzone, no one would be crazy enough to come anywhere close to Molenbeek

I read an article in the Economist magazine that said that there is almost no intermarriage between Walloons and Flemish people. Is this true?

Well it is not like they hate each other, this could partially be true because of practical reasons, like the language barrier. It is far more likely you'd marry someone who lives closer and speaks the same language.

Marriage between the 2 definitly does happen.

 

[Vergennes]

@Cell_DbZ

Ouch,that was savage.

 

[Penguin]

Well,to solve the issue,Belgium must be split in two with the north joining the Netherlands and the south France ! Bruxelles/Brussel will act as a buffer zone. @Penguin

Sorry, no deal, we have enough 'centre-right' as is.

 

[Mr.Department]

Sorry, no deal, we have enough 'centre-right' as is.

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