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SP Tahir Dawar Murdered in Afghanistan by ISIS.

utter incompetence in our security apparatus there is no need to blame the afghans for this because we and our security institutions are responsible for what happens in our country not the afghan,Indian or Americans

this show that such a backward country has the reach to kidnap someone from inside Pakistan showing the cracks in our countries security .
 
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Second is the use of burqa. Al-Qaida/ISIS/Taliban manage to cross the checkpoints with the kidnapped persons because the victim is made to wear the burqa and unless there is a female security agent on hand; no one would dare to unmask what appears to be a burqa-clad lady.

Niaz Bhai Checkpost is a sensitive issue for our Tribal people
I am talking from our die-hard patriot Pakistani pashtons who say how they are insulted and degraded on these posts
having their women searched is out of question. I have had a recent discussion with my class fellows and friends on the subject of Manzoor Pashteen . these friends of mine are native to waziristan and Sawat valley... they have detailed the humiliation they have faced at the checkposts and security operations the discrimination by Punjabis and Sindhis while escaping into Punjab and Sindh to get away from war torn area

this murder has a motive which I just cant understand but I suspect that it is planned with a purpose of state making a mistake and our security forces being harsh and excessive towards the pashtons which can only aid the PTM movement and anti Pakistan sentiment
 
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valid question but no possible answer without taking a pro or anti Pakistan side
to show lawlessness in Pakistan
For a crime nobody expected? They'd have to do it twice.
to show how easy it is to move a person out of Pakistan at will
So what?
to show the power and reach of Afghanistan chapter of ISIS deep inside Pakistan
Is it clear that ISIS got its hands on him in Pakistan rather than somewhere else?
to expose the incompetence of Pakistan in protecting its very important officer who belonged to Waziristan and had been part of any operations against the terrorists
Possibly. Could this have been a botched kidnapping, then?
further degrade Pak Afghan relations when one thinks they cant get any worse.
It's ISIS claiming responsibility, everybody hates ISIS, so it's more likely Pakistan and Afghanistan will be driven to work together on this, yes?
 
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Second is the use of burqa. Al-Qaida/ISIS/Taliban manage to cross the checkpoints with the kidnapped persons because the victim is made to wear the burqa and unless there is a female security agent on hand; no one would dare to unmask what appears to be a burqa-clad lady.
You think he got kidnapped by throwing a burqa on him?
 
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Yes, I think that is how the late SP was smuggled out of Islamabad and into Afghanistan
 
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Niaz Bhai Checkpost is a sensitive issue for our Tribal people
I am talking from our die-hard patriot Pakistani pashtons who say how they are insulted and degraded on these posts
having their women searched is out of question. I have had a recent discussion with my class fellows and friends on the subject of Manzoor Pashteen . these friends of mine are native to waziristan and Sawat valley... they have detailed the humiliation they have faced at the checkposts and security operations the discrimination by Punjabis and Sindhis while escaping into Punjab and Sindh to get away from war torn area

this murder has a motive which I just cant understand but I suspect that it is planned with a purpose of state making a mistake and our security forces being harsh and excessive towards the pashtons which can only aid the PTM movement and anti Pakistan sentiment

So step 1, find the culprits in Afghanistan and make them talk. And try to find out clues about the kidnapping. Hopefully, the safe cities project would be of some help.
 
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You do know despite all the issues Pakistan profited from that countries misfortune -

  • 1980s ~ Afghan Jihad gave us insurance cover to develop our nukes
  • 2000s ~ your hero Musharaf sold that country for $ billions
Why dont u stop shitting over a thread for once in ur miserable existance, huh, how's that sound?
 
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Why dont u stop shitting over a thread for once in ur miserable existance, huh, how's that sound?
Well, give me your open mouth and I will oblige. It will feed you and give me relief. And why not try to address the points I articulated instead of launching ad hominem?

@Dubious
 
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Afghanis roam freerly in Pakistan and Islamabad, why act surprised? Yes border control is better then before but still years away for it to become good enough. As long as afghanis are in Pakistan expect more of these.

Yes, I think that is how the late SP was smuggled out of Islamabad and into Afghanistan

Doubt it, he was likely smuggled in one of many trucks, cars that cross over. Doubt anyone check all of them inside out.
 
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You are entitled to an opinion, not a mass smearing of religion and religious people. My response was general, because today it is a general trend on this forum to vituperate religious people using the worst kind of abusive language. In this case, our liberal mullas are certainly trying to instigate unrest.



Yes, I am perfectly aware of that. And the point is?



I am not privy to their plans. But you have now changed your question. In the above, you are asking me how they accomplished it 'without the active support of the local collaborators & covering his identity'. This is different from insinuating that 'it is not the victims who are at fault but the increasing conservative attitude of the society in general' and 'prevailing extremist mindset of the population enables the forces exploiting religious sentiments'.
For all we know, they might have an organic local presence. Or, they could have bought local help. Or the police officer could have dealings with them. In the presence of so many different possibilities, singling out 'local religious extremists' reeks of bias.



No, I don't deny it. But I do insist that the burqah is not at fault here, incompetent and under resourced policing is.
Sir don't waste your time on these senseless, brainless,and extremist libralls ,in my research of last two years here on PDF I have found this forum no where near to the defense of Pakistan, I am 100 percent sure it's just a deception, the think tanks, elites, etc here don't have a fun**"k insight or depth of informations or intellect, they are just so called librals, either proud of being alcoholic and **** viewer, and proud of abusing Mullah on every matter without differenciating between true and false, infact Mullah was a mujahid when their papa Sam invited them in white house, but that Mullah is terrorist when they don't support uncle Sam, mullah is terrorists when Pakistan negotiate with then but same mullah is a political reality for them when their papa lick their *** in Qater and Russia, these librals like monarchy in UAE KSA and socialism in Iran and Egypt but mean while they want democracy in China and Russia, but no democracy in Aljazire and Egypt, they support butcher of Gujart on the name of democracy,but wanted to topple democratically elected Ardgon, their days are over soon the Monopoly of USA is to end، soon there will be again a multipolar world ، with less funds for puddles,
 
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Afghan PM always blame Pakistan for even doing conspiracies and now here we have dead body recovered from Afghanistan.
Is Imran Khan going to issue any statement?
 
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For a crime nobody expected? They'd have to do it twice.
So what?
Is it clear that ISIS got its hands on him in Pakistan rather than somewhere else?
Possibly. Could this have been a botched kidnapping, then?
It's ISIS claiming responsibility, everybody hates ISIS, so it's more likely Pakistan and Afghanistan will be driven to work together on this, yes?
sir valid points raised
I have been busy talking to my tribal friends and colleagues and we are wondering about the motives
yes we all agreed that the kidnap and smuggling out that officer from Islamabad to Afghanistan shows are very poorly

motives are generally summarized as psychological warfare, panic and fear among the Tribal population
as a repercussion and punishment for anyone who sides with Pakistan state in its fight against the terrorists
yes on Paper it should bring the Pak Afghan regimes closer and strengthen their resolve in their fight against the common enemy but all stake holders in this fight are hiding daggers even if on the same side of the fence

it was never a botched kidnapping.
it was planned to take him all the way to Afghanistan and then murder him after prolonged torture. maybe there will be a graphic video released (with same cruel detail like we seen in Syria and Iraq) later.

we (Afghan/ Pakistan) suspect American hand (Karachi is also blaming USA) in bringing Daesh into Afghanistan to disrupt and weaken Taliban resistance and also teach Iran and Pakistan a lesson . now that Daesh has found a foothold and is attracting the terrorists both from Pakistan and Afghanistan (who had been disillusioned or unhappy over the "softer" approach of their former Taliban colleagues). it is flexing its muscles and is engaging in very shocking and brutal atrocities to get the attention of the people.
 
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utter incompetence in our security apparatus there is no need to blame the afghans for this because we and our security institutions are responsible for what happens in our country not the afghan,Indian or Americans

this show that such a backward country has the reach to kidnap someone from inside Pakistan showing the cracks in our countries security .

Blaming afghans for taking advantage of Pakistan feeding millions of them and open borders will be stupidty. Only Pakistan is to be blamed for Dawar death.

Solution is simple and permanent if Islamabad have some balls left.
 
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Yes, I think that is how the late SP was smuggled out of Islamabad and into Afghanistan

Pakistani politicians runs target killing and kidnap gangs.
Criminals don't work for free, and the person who use them have profitable objective out of it.
One can smuggle anyone out of Islamabad in a simple car.
You have plenty of tribals ever ready to show way to cross border.

Burqa for sure shall be banned.
 
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