South Korea President warns North Korea against Provaction

[NiceGuy]

Hey buddy, it was Ho who invited France back into Viet Nam after WW II.

Pls read again, who he Invited first ??

Throughout the 1940s Ho Chi Minh and other Vietnamese leaders made repeated appeals to Truman and other American officials to help them gain independence from French colonial rule. These appeals were generally ignored.

btw: French was still better than China in 1946. See, Taiwan still occupy Itu aba island.

 

[gambit]

Pls read again, who he Invited first ??

Who said Ho can speak for all Viets at that time? So what if the US refused to help him?

btw: French was still better than China in 1946.

Very good. Now you have to admit that if Ho did not make an alliance with France and invited French troops back into North Viet Nam, may be the war would never have happened. You are not a very smart Viet. That is why I ignored you and the Chinese made fun of you.

 

[S10]

The joke here is your understanding of the history of the war. After the US largely withdrew from ground combat, the NVA continued to be defeated by the ARVN. Once the Americans withdrew their support while China continued to support the North Vietnamese, then South Viet Nam was defeated. Funny how China's support for North Viet Nam continued to be conveniently omitted.

If it wasn't for Americans, North would have stomped you long before 1975. You had the greatest military power on earth supporting you and still got your *** whooped by a so called "joke".

Joke's on you.

In many ways, it was more democratic than your China.

A military dictatorship vs an oligarchy, so much better right? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[gambit]

If it wasn't for Americans, North would have stomped you long before 1975. You had the greatest military power on earth supporting you and still got your *** whooped by a so called "joke".

Joke's on you.

And if it was not for China's interference, Ho would have been exiled to China and Viet Nam would not have fallen to communism, which is the greatest joke mankind have yet seen.

A military dictatorship vs an oligarchy, so much better right? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

As if you ever sleep under the dictatorship called China. If anything happens to you overseas, the FIRST thing you would do is cry to Canada. Not China. So now we all know who is the bigger joke here.

 

[NiceGuy]

Who said Ho can speak for all Viets at that time? So what if the US refused to help him?

when he became VN's leader , so where was US ?

On February 16th, 1945 Ho Chi Minh wrote a letter to President Truman asking for American assistance in gaining Vietnamese freedom. The letter closed with the remarks:

We ask what has been graciously granted to the Philippines. Like the Philippines our goal is full independence and full cooperation with the UNITED STATES. We will do our best to make this independence and cooperation profitable to the whole world.

I am dear Mr. PRESIDENT,

Respectfully Yours,

Ho Chi Minh

Oh US was so busy in supporting France to enslave Gambit's fore-fathers.

Very good. Now you have to admit that if Ho did not make an alliance with France and invited French troops back into North Viet Nam, may be the war would never have happened. You are not a very smart Viet. That is why I ignored you and the Chinese made fun of you.

HCM had No choice, VN was so weak , and China was so strong , VN could not kick China out without any help from Soviet or US , but both refused to help VN in 1946.

Every one here can see you're trying to fool yourself , Dude, VN never need a white @$$ licker like you, but pls don't lie about your own people. Just keep licking white @$$, and keep your mouth shut, for God sake !

 

[gambit]

when he became VN's leader , so where was US ?


?Oh she's busy in supporting France to enslave Gambit's fore fathers.

Ho became North Vietnam's leader thanks to France. Then he used French troops and weapons to slaughter other Viets. You mean the commies in Viet Nam did not teach you that?

 

[NiceGuy]

Ho became North Vietnam's leader thanks to France. Then he used French troops and weapons to slaughter other Viets. You mean the commies in Viet Nam did not teach you that?

WHo were "other Viets" ??or they're Traitor bcz they followed China ??

anyway: if US helped VN in 1946, France would have No chance to go back VN already.

 

[gambit]

WHo were "other Viets" ??or they're Traitor bcz they followed China ??

No. They were those who does not want communism in Viet Nam. You mean the commies in Viet Nam did not teach you that?

anyway: if US helped VN in 1946, France would have No chance to go back VN already.

No. The US did not want to be with Ho. That does not mean the US did not want to help Viet Nam. This is why I do not consider you to be a very smart person. You have been brainwashed into believing that Ho was all that Viet Nam had. I am done with you.

 

[NiceGuy]

No. They were those who does not want communism in Viet Nam. You mean the commies in Viet Nam did not teach you that?

HCM dismissed communist party and cut off all connection with Soviet in 1946 , US also could not draw any link between Ho Chi Minh and Moscow. No more communism in VN in 1946, dude.

No. The US did not want to be with Ho. That does not mean the US did not want to help Viet Nam. This is why I do not consider you to be a very smart person. You have been brainwashed into believing that Ho was all that Viet Nam had. I am done with you.

So US could find another one like Ngo Dinh Diem in 1946, but US supported France instead to enslave our people again.

If no more discussion, then let shake hand with VN now, like another American ...or shut up and keep licking white @$$, for God shake.

 

[Star√ation]

i hope new north Korean leader will resolve all issue with south Korea

Well, I don't think so. He must got a busy time ahead to settle down all the internal power struggle, his powerful uncle is just too much for him.

when he became VN's leader , so where was US ?

It's pretty much off the topic, but...
Vietnam pre-1945 was nothing more than a speck of dust in American perspective, they were too busy with the Marshal plan of restoring Europe.
It only caught the U.S eye when the French lost the battle of Dien Bien Phu. French delegate come to U.S, crying and yelling out that it was not a war to regain her old colony, it was a war against Communism. Then all the heck began.

And if it was not for China's interference, Ho would have been exiled to China and Viet Nam would not have fallen to communism, which is the greatest joke mankind have yet seen.

If you take it seriously, you gonna find out how much Capitalism could have learned from your so-called "a joke" of Communism.

 

[NiceGuy]

It's pretty much off the topic, but...
Vietnam pre-1945 was nothing more than a speck of dust in American perspective, they were too busy with the Marshal plan of restoring Europe.
It only caught the U.S eye when the French lost the battle of Dien Bien Phu. French delegate come to U.S, crying and yelling out that it was not a war to regain her old colony, it was a war against Communism. Then all the heck began

Dude, US supported French to invade VN again from 1945 untill 1954, Dien Bien Phu base was build with US help.If US didn't care about VN, then they must not support France to invade VN again too.

btw: US helped Phillipine after WW 2, but US refused to help VN to gain independence. I don't think Phillipine is more important than VN.

On February 16th, 1945 Ho Chi Minh wrote a letter to President Truman asking for American assistance in gaining Vietnamese freedom. The letter closed with the remarks:

We ask what has been graciously granted to the Philippines. Like the Philippines our goal is full independence and full cooperation with the UNITED STATES. We will do our best to make this independence and cooperation profitable to the whole world.

I am dear Mr. PRESIDENT,
Respectfully Yours,

Ho Chi Minh

 

[anonymus]

Same logic: If you love SK so much why don't YOU move to SK NOW?

Dude, most NK people vote with their feet by staying in NK!

Don't you see that?

And many SK people vote with their feet by running away from SK!

Don't you see that, either?



In case you are selective blind, I boldfaced and enlarged the fond size for you.

Tell us if the people SK love SK so much why do they want to run away from that country and be ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?

SK is a country very depressive and oppressive. SK has a population of 48,754,657 (2011), and nearly half percent of that population ran away from their democracy within one year.

If the trend persists, within 100 years their population will be reduced by half, assuming their reproductive rate is just enough to compensate the death.

And if you love that country, then you go ahead to purify USA a little bit. Leave this country for SK, and thank you so much!

I was really doubtful about the IQ theory, but your post proves to me the truth of the theory.

BTW, I fully understand you are on SK illegal immigrants' side, because India is the same democracy that produce huge amount of illegal immigrants.

Sham on democracy (of SK and India)!

Dude you suffer from serious mathematical disabilities.

Let me Interpret that data for you.

Number of Illegal Koreans in USA = 200000

Increase from 2000 to 2009 is 14%

Now let population of illegal koreans in USA on 2000 = x

Increase = 14%

Population in 2009 = x(1+0.14)=1.14x=200000

Now x=175438

Diffrence in population in a decade = 200000-175438=24562

I don't think that south Korea would be depopulated by losing 24562 people in a decade.And these statistics are for cumulative for both Koreas.

Here is the link to table you are quoting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

 

[gambit]

It's pretty much off the topic, but...
Vietnam pre-1945 was nothing more than a speck of dust in American perspective, they were too busy with the Marshal plan of restoring Europe.

WW II ended in 1945 under Truman. But long before Truman, the US under Roosevelt wanted to remove France from Indochina -- Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia -- and into a UN trusteeship with the goal towards independence.

It only caught the U.S eye when the French lost the battle of Dien Bien Phu. French delegate come to U.S, crying and yelling out that it was not a war to regain her old colony, it was a war against Communism. Then all the heck began.

How did France got back into Viet Nam in the first place? Through the Ho-Sainteny Agreement of March 6, 1946. In that pact, Ho made a deal with the French devil that if France recognize Ho and the Viet Minh as legitimate rulers of all Viet Nam, Ho and the Viet Minh would agree to place Viet Nam into the French Union with Viet Nam being an autonomous region like others in that Union. France then told the US that one of America's allies in SE Asia, the Viet Minh who assisted the American OSS during WW II, invited France to return as colonial master. In effect, America's hands were tied with regards to Viet Nam, Indochina, and UN trusteeship towards independence. Once France completed her return to Viet Nam, France and the Viet Minh proceeded to slaughter any non-Communist and non-France aligned Vietnamese nationalists. Neither China nor the Soviet Union were needed at this time. It was only after the Viet Minh consolidated their power in North Viet Nam that the turn against France began.

Was that too much new info for you?

If you take it seriously, you gonna find out how much Capitalism could have learned from your so-called "a joke" of Communism.

And what could communism teach us democrats? And please do not bring up the current China, which is a corrupted offspring of failed communist ideologies and capitalist market principles. Without this offspring, China would not survive.

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Dude you suffer from serious mathematical disabilities.

No, it is called 'intellectual dishonesty'. It is rampant among the Chinese members here.

 

[NiceGuy]

How did France got back into Viet Nam in the first place? Through the Ho-Sainteny Agreement of March 6, 1946. In that pact, Ho made a deal with the French devil that if France recognize Ho and the Viet Minh as legitimate rulers of all Viet Nam, Ho and the Viet Minh would agree to place Viet Nam into the French Union with Viet Nam being an autonomous region like others in that Union. France then told the US that one of America's allies in SE Asia, the Viet Minh who assisted the American OSS during WW II, invited France to return as colonial master. In effect, America's hands were tied with regards to Viet Nam, Indochina, and UN trusteeship towards independence. Once France completed her return to Viet Nam, France and the Viet Minh proceeded to slaughter any non-Communist and non-France aligned Vietnamese nationalists. Neither China nor the Soviet Union were needed at this time. It was only after the Viet Minh consolidated their power in North Viet Nam that the turn against France began.

Was that too much new info for you?

Then tell me how to kick ROC out of VN in 1946 when both Soviet-US refused to help?? Don't forget South VN with full US support still could not kick ROC out of Itu aba island, and even lost Paracel in Humiliation battle in 1974.

All Viets killed by HCM were Traitors, they follow ROC,then they deserve to be killed.

 

[Star√ation]

Dude, US supported French to invade VN again from 1945 untill 1954, Dien Bien Phu base was build with US help.If US didn't care about VN, then they must not support France to invade VN again too.

btw: US helped Phillipine after WW 2, but US refused to help VN to gain independence. I don't think Phillipine is more important than VN.

It was the British who allowed French to return to Vietnam not the U.S(to South Vietnam, more exactly). Pre-1954, US support to French Army was insignificant. It mainly aimed to help French army and the French people not to loose morale in the process of recovery after WWII. Post WWII France was quite weak and volatile. It has nothing to do with Vietnam directly.
We don't need any one for our independence, we did it ourselves, alone.

Do not compare us with the Filipinos, they're the U.S's old colony.