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South Korea: Dependence in the Age of OPCON

nobody associate Budhism with india now, kid.

Buddh is a Napelese, beside, Budhism was a dead religion in india thousands of years ago.
No one really cares whether you associate or not.
The tens of thousands of Budhist pilgrims who come to India must surely not be realizing that they are going to India.
Fact 1: Budha was born in either India or Nepal(exact area not clear, its border)
Fact 2: Budha achieved enlightenment in India. The holiest places of Budhism are in India.
Fact 3: There are tens of millions of Budhists in India.
 
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No one really cares whether you associate or not.
The tens of thousands of Budhist pilgrims who come to India must surely not be realizing that they are going to India.
Fact 1: Budha was born in either India or Nepal(exact area not clear, its border)
Fact 2: Budha achieved enlightenment in India. The holiest places of Budhism are in India.
Fact 3: There are tens of millions of Budhists in India.
Then no one care your claim on this, even on this forum.
 
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The wartime operational control (OPCON) of South Korean armed forces is an increasingly prevalent issue among policymakers, analysts and scholars working on the Korean Peninsula and in the region. At first glance, the viability of OPCON transfer involves the North Korean threat and South Korea’s ability to deter and counter it. Recently, Seoul called for another delay of OPCON transition, stating that its current defense capabilities are inadequate to the task, including its command and control, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR), and missile defense capabilities. In relation to OPCON, questions of capability and interoperability are indeed important. Nevertheless, these are a small part of a larger debate, which includes longstanding alliance dynamics related to the ROK’s ongoing dependence within the U.S.-ROK alliance structure.

Shifting Threat, Asymmetrical Alliance

Two key factors have characterized the alliance for Seoul: the North Korean threat and South Korean dependence on the U.S. for its own security. The factors are connected and have evolved notably over time. During the Cold War, the threat from Pyongyang was overwhelmingly conventional in nature, marked by the forward deployment of significant numbers of troops and artillery. That said, Pyongyang engaged in constant low-scale, unconventional provocations, including several very high-profile attacks such as the Blue House raid in 1979, the Rangoon bombing in 1983, and the mid-air bombing of Korean Airlines Flight 858 in 1987.

In the early 90s, with revelations about its nuclear program, the threat from Pyongyang took on a more ominous cast. Since then, North Korea has become a de facto nuclear state, culminating with its nuclear tests in 2006, 2009 and 2013, with a fourth believed imminent. Though estimates vary, it is generally believed that the DPRK possesses several nuclear weapons and may soon develop the capacity to miniaturize and deploy a warhead on a ballistic missile, of which it has one of the world’s largest fleets. Moreover, Pyongyang is believed to possess samples of biological pathogens it could potentially weaponize, as well as 2,500-5,000 metric tons of chemical weapons. All of this is to say that the DPRK threat is very real, well established, and characterized by massive (though dated) conventional forces and increasing asymmetric capabilities.

The other evolving yet still salient factor in the alliance has been South Korea’s dependence within an inherently asymmetric alliance. The more unequal the alliance, the easier it is to form and the longer it will last, as each side receives different, complementary benefits as it delivers on its side of the bargain. In the case of the U.S.-ROK alliance, it began as a classic patron-client relationship, wherein the U.S. (as patron) provided the ROK (as client) with security and economic largesse in order to ensure its survival and stability. Put differently, the ROK traded its autonomy (full sovereignty) for the U.S. security guarantee, while becoming a key bulwark in the US Cold War strategic framework. Yet as theoretical studies on alliances have shown, dependence for the weaker party is characterized by two risks, abandonment (i.e., defection on the part of the U.S.) or entrapment (i.e., being committed to a policy deemed not in its national interest).

Historically, the risk of abandonment has pushed the ROK to deepen ties with the U.S. yet simultaneously develop its own capabilities. Its commitment of troops and material to the U.S. war effort in Vietnam is a significant example. The ROK committed the second largest number of foreign troop behind the U.S., lost more than 5,000 lives in the effort, and played a key role in securing the central coastal region of South Vietnam. This contribution signaled the ROK’s commitment to the alliance as well as exploitation of it, provided significant battlefield experience for South Korean armed forces, and delivered a crucial boost to the ROK’s economic development. That boost included much-needed foreign currency earnings and industrial incubation for key chaebol such as Hyundai and Hanjin in construction and transportation, respectively. However, the latter half of Seoul’s Vietnam deployment proved an acrimonious experience.

Following the announcement of the Nixon or Guam Doctrine in mid 1969, which stated that Asians should provide the manpower for their own wars, Washington redeployed the 7th Infantry Division from South Korea back to the United States. This was a notable reduction of roughly 20,000 of the 62,000 U.S. troops then stationed in South Korea. In addition, the U.S. prevailed on the ROK to delay withdrawing South Korean forces from Vietnam in order to prevent a security vacuum from emerging as it began pulling back from its own commitment. Washington did this by threatening further removal of U.S. troops from the Korean Peninsula if Seoul pushed ahead with its own withdrawal from Vietnam.

As Oberdorfer writes, President Park Chung-hee was shaken by these moves, viewing them as “a message to the Korean people that we won’t rescue you if North Korea invades again.” Soon thereafter and without any prior notice, Washington began its historical rapprochement with Beijing, thus officially substituting a tripolar framework for the former bipolar divide in Asia. This gave the U.S. far more strategic flexibility. Along with the final US withdrawal from South Vietnam, this series of events heightened South Korea’s suspicions regarding the credibility of the US commitment and spurred Park’s efforts to increase its independence vis-à-vis the U.S. Those efforts included his long-desired plan for heavy and chemical industrialization (HCI), an abortive attempt to develop a South Korean nuclear weapons program, and the first exploratory discussions between North and South Korea under the guise of Red Cross talks at Panmunjom. In the late 70s, President Jimmy Carter’s bid to remove the 2nd Infantry Division from South Korea, although unsuccessful, kept the fear of abandonment alive.

The fear of entrapment is the other side of dependence. Initially, the greater an alliance partner’s dependence, the more likely the costs and risks of abandonment will outweigh those of entrapment. However, as the relative balance of power within the alliance shifts over time, entrapment becomes more of a problem. One instance occurred during the first nuclear crisis in 1993-94, during which “the ROK government was alarmed both at the onrushing nature of events and the apparent disposition of the United States to ignore its counsel and interests.” Another example was the rift between the Bush Administration and the successive Kim and Roh Administrations concerning engagement with the DPRK. Where Seoul favored continued engagement based on the Sunshine Policy, the Bush White House took a much less accommodating stance, underscored by the inclusion of North Korea in the so-called “Axis of Evil.” The DPRK’s nuclear and missile tests and notable provocations over the following decade, as well as the consecutive election of conservative South Korean administrations, brought both allies closer together. Still, Seoul continues to call for greater ownership of the nuclear issue as well as a broadened approach, supplementing nonproliferation with efforts toward economic development within North Korea.

Developed, Democratized, Yet Dependent

South Korean leaders have consistently sought to dilute their dependence on the U.S. As part of this effort, the ROK has worked to develop its own armaments industry and upgrade its technological capabilities. Park’s HCI drive in the early 1970s was a key part of the process. ROK capabilities have since evolved from the early production of firearms and ammunition to the more recent manufacture and export of light fighter jets, and the development of advanced SAR-equipped remote sensing satellites and dual-use commercial and military communications satellites. Following the Pentagon’s lead, South Korea has begun its own Revolution in Military Affairs (RMA), driven by the economic logic and efficiency gains of commercial and military spin-on/spin-off, as well as the overriding goal of enhancing command and control capabilities. In line with this trend, the ROK Ministry of Defense has been outspoken in its need to pursue netcentricreforms aimed at increasing the overall interoperability of South Korean armed forces. Despite this notable progress, though, Seoul, by its own admission, cannot independently check the threat from Pyongyang.

South Korea is neither fully dependent nor fully independent. It is neither a pawn of empire nor a fully equal ally. The ROK’s postwar history is a unique example of rapid economic development, modernization, and eventual democratization. As a consequence of this remarkable historical evolution, it has become a much more independent actor in the U.S.-ROK alliance and in the larger international system. Nevertheless, it remains the smaller of the two partners, with its security ultimately dependent upon the U.S. In other words, while South Korea has unquestionably enhanced its profile, it remains semi-sovereign.

Control over a nation-state’s armed forces is a significant, if not the most fundamental, element of state sovereignty. Thus, calling South Korea a semi-sovereign state within the U.S.-ROK alliance is not so much a radical leftist critique as a statement of fact. The history of OPCON reveals Seoul’s fundamentally truncated sovereignty within the U.S.-ROK alliance. In July 1950, following the disastrous early phase of the Korean War, President Syngman Rhee handed over control of ROK armed forces to the United Nations Command (UNC), then under the leadership of General Douglas MacArthur. In 1978, the Combined Forces Command (CFC) was established, thus forming a U.S.-ROK integrated command structure, thenceforth always under the four-star U.S. Army General commanding United States Forces Korea (USFK). While peacetime OPCON was transferred back to the ROK in 1994, wartime OPCON remains under CFC auspices.



South Korea: Dependence in the Age of OPCON | The Diplomat




South Koreans have been extremely smart so far.


They live under the shadow of N Korea aggression, and yet they have been focused enough to zoom into the company of electronic and heavy industry giants.

At some point they probably will take over the decision making.

But why?

At this point it is working out for them in so many great ways.
 
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At some point they probably will take over the decision making.
But why?
At this point it is working out for them in so many great ways.

That's what I'm thinking, too. The United States provide a sense of security for them (South Korean) , especially considering of the potential threat of North Korea.

If i were to opine on why I think South Korea is rather ambivalent, perhaps it is their (South Korean) perception that the United States values Japan and Japanese interests higher than South Korea. It is very clear when it comes to policy and military exercises, that South Korea seethes whenever the United States 7th Fleet representative inquires with the ROKN counterpart about a Trilateral military exercise that would include Japan. In fact, it has been Japanese MDF representatives that has tried to conduct bilateral exercises with the ROKN, but we were flatly rejected by them (ROKN). So in the eyes of the Korean counterpart, whenever they hear the Americans intervene on our behalf, they feel that American sides with Japan more than Korea. This, i would premise, is viewed as an insult and degrading to the Korean.

To be honest, Japan has been very eager to hold joint military exercises with South Korea. Their side has been reluctant. Perhaps the historical aspect is a reason. My gut feeling tells me so.

It was just this year that South Korea has agreed to a joint trilateral military exercise with the US 7th Fleet, and the JMSDF Esuko Kantai 2 (JMSDF 2nd escort fleet) in the waters of the Sea of Japan.

S. Korea, U.S., Japan to conduct naval rescue drills this month
 
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Thank you for elucidating me on that @Contrarian . In regards to Bangladesh, let's be objective here, do you think that the Indian Government and the Indian Army in any way takes advantage of Bangladesh? Are there any territorial disputes (land) that sees Bangladeshi soil being violated by Indian Army and/or Indian paramilitary forces ?

Thanks.

This Indian narrative is an elaborate hoax:
Agartala Conspiracy confession, what does it mean for our history | Page 28
Case filed against Sheikh Hasina, 25 others in Int'l Criminal Court
Bangladesh ICT's Sham Trials

Essentially Indian and Indian agents in Bangladesh try to attack and eliminate Jamaat because it is allied with the biggest opposition party BNP. The Supreme Court is a politicized Kangaroo court which is controlled by India.

Bangladesh today is an open air prison like Gaza and there is silent genocide going on of majority Muslims at the hand of Indian agents. But they will not be able to kill us all, I have hope that someday we will eliminate all Indian agents from Bangladesh soil, its just a matter of time. Hasina is India's last hope, once she becomes too old then India has no hope to replace this person with another similar character. She is 66 years old. I would say she will be able to stay in power another 14 years max. By the time she is 80 or even before that she will be too old to hold power. That will be the day Indian hegemony over Bangladesh will be finished for the foreseeable future.
 
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This Indian narrative is an elaborate hoax:
Agartala Conspiracy confession, what does it mean for our history | Page 28
Case filed against Sheikh Hasina, 25 others in Int'l Criminal Court
Bangladesh ICT's Sham Trials

Essentially Indian and Indian agents in Bangladesh try to attack and eliminate Jamaat because it is allied with the biggest opposition party BNP. The Supreme Court is a politicized Kangaroo court which is controlled by India.

Bangladesh today is an open air prison like Gaza and there is silent genocide going on of majority Muslims at the hand of Indian agents. But they will not be able to kill us all, I have hope that someday we will eliminate all Indian agents from Bangladesh soil, its just a matter of time. Hasina is India's last hope, once she becomes too old then India has no hope to replace this person with another similar character. She is 66 years old. I would say she will be able to stay in power another 14 years max. By the time she is 80 or even before that she will be too old to hold power. That will be the day Indian hegemony over Bangladesh will be finished for the foreseeable future.
Yes, everything is a conspiracy.
The Supreme Court of Bangladesh is a kangaroo court.
The International Crimes Tribunal is a kangaroo court.
The Bangladeshi Prime Minister is secretly Indian
The PEW survey stating 70% Bangladeshis have a favourable opinion of India is sham
Bangladesh is secretly an open air prison like Gaza(its innovative, I'll give you that)

Only the jamaati's - the traitors to the land of Bangladesh - are the purveyors of truth :lol:
 
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That's what I'm thinking, too. The United States provide a sense of security for them (South Korean) , especially considering of the potential threat of North Korea.

If i were to opine on why I think South Korea is rather ambivalent, perhaps it is their (South Korean) perception that the United States values Japan and Japanese interests higher than South Korea. It is very clear when it comes to policy and military exercises, that South Korea seethes whenever the United States 7th Fleet representative inquires with the ROKN counterpart about a Trilateral military exercise that would include Japan. In fact, it has been Japanese MDF representatives that has tried to conduct bilateral exercises with the ROKN, but we were flatly rejected by them (ROKN). So in the eyes of the Korean counterpart, whenever they hear the Americans intervene on our behalf, they feel that American sides with Japan more than Korea. This, i would premise, is viewed as an insult and degrading to the Korean.

To be honest, Japan has been very eager to hold joint military exercises with South Korea. Their side has been reluctant. Perhaps the historical aspect is a reason. My gut feeling tells me so.

It was just this year that South Korea has agreed to a joint trilateral military exercise with the US 7th Fleet, and the JMSDF Esuko Kantai 2 (JMSDF 2nd escort fleet) in the waters of the Sea of Japan.

S. Korea, U.S., Japan to conduct naval rescue drills this month

Japan needs to give a little, agree to some of their demands and go the extra mile, even if they seem unfair and make it up with the Koreans. They are an emotional lot. I don't believe it will take too much to win their friendship. If Japan is thinking about a regional project, it needs Korea at its side to prove once and for all that Japan has overcome its past historical legacy and moved beyond its past. Japan and South Korea in their partnership with ASEAN and some more regional countries I believe has a future ahead that will benefit not just this region, but it will have huge implications in global geopolitics.
 
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What evidence suggest we want to control anyone in Asia.
I don't want to be blunt here, but we don't really consider the rest of Asia that much of a paradise that we must control.
We don't care for any alliances, not because we fear them, I could list the Chinese navy confirmed acquisition up to 2025, but I won't, cause that's lame.
It'll lead to wars, like for example, somebody might get the idea they can win against us, which they can't, and then we go to war.
I don't know about you, but I have some cousins in the military, and I don't want to see them home injured, scarred mentally, or worse.
Oh and to be free of India, the first thing you need to do is mature and stop blaming your problem on others. Even if what you said is true, the problem isn't how could they do that, it's why did you let them.

I could say the same thing about Vietnam's claim in South China sea. How could Vietnam allow China to come inside the territory that it claims for itself? The simple answer is that China is a bigger country, so it has more resources and fire power to impose its will on smaller and weaker neighbor. And India is also taking advantage of its size the same way, only the method is different. You go for open conflict which is more upfront and honorable, while the Indians wage a covert war using their agents to infiltrate another country.

What I am suggesting is that the small and weak countries of the region should team up and collectively face the threat from bigger countries with more resources.
 
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@somsak

I can sense the mistrust you and the Thais have for Muslims. But if this is the case, then do you feel the same way for Malaysia and Indonesia? Remember, my friend, that Indonesia has a HUGE population of over 260 million. And it is 97% Muslim, too.

INDONESIA, too, once was plagued with regional crises, and separatist threats, and ethnic problems. But, look, it has stabilized. In fact, Indonesia is growing , and is now the regional leader of ASEAN.

So, if INDONESIA can join and can contribute, i don't see why Bangladesh cannot.

Currently if you add #Muslim in ASEAN and non-Muslim, the later are still majority, or may be on par. Indonesia is not 97% Muslim, but 80% according to Wiki. Malaysia has 37-40% non-muslim Malaysian Chinese. If you add BD population into the inequality, then Muslim will outnumber non-muslim. Then,... Fire of conflict will occurs. You see Chinese persecuation in Indonesia, Malay Chinese 2nd citizenship, and so on. I would not go to quote Quran for you. There are even teaching about how to do with non-muslim.

You read Viet Comment around #3 - #5 on this thread. Why even a Vietnamese also oppose Islam? You see the ongoing conflict with Bhuddist in Burma and Sri Lanka, why is that happening? How many combination of all number of religious are their? Suppose the world has Christ, Hindu, Buddhist, Kong zhi, Islam, Juda, a total of 6 religious. How many pairs of conflict of these 6 religious there can be? Mathematical answer gives you 6(choose)2=15 pairs.

Now you open the news and count. How many conflict Christ vs Hindu? Christ vs Bhuddist? Christ vs Kongzhi, Christ Vs Islam? Christ vs Juda? Hindu vs Bhuddist? Hindu vs Khong zhi? and so on. Keep doing this until all 15 pairs are counted.

You will find overwhelming conflict with Islam. Why is that? Ph.D student? gives the proper explanation.

Now lets list some country where there are ongoing conflict with Muslim.
Thailand, Srilangka, Myanmar, China, Russia, U.S., Israel, .... and the list keep going, why is that?

Lets look at our friend kalu_miah why is he so pro islam that one day muslim will conquer the world? Why is that? Why are they so much about conquer other's religious&land? Why is that?

My previous occupation was telecom engineer, I went to live in Brunei 3-4 months, Pakistan 1-2 months, and I can't live in these 2 countries. I really don't like. Its about culture, especially about culture w.r.t women. There was a project to go to Saudi-arabia. I was so... happy that the project didn't happened. I was so happy with my 6 months in Singapore. It was so good.

If you want us to live with Islamic culture for your latent political desire to contain China, you are so not care about us. Many of Thai and me cannot live in islamic country.


Read this: Christian Pakistani takes refugee to Thailand because of religious
Packing their bags: Christians moving to Thailand to escape violence, insecurity – The Express Tribune
 
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Japan needs to give a little, agree to some of their demands and go the extra mile, even if they seem unfair and make it up with the Koreans. They are an emotional lot. I don't believe it will take too much to win their friendship. If Japan is thinking about a regional project, it needs Korea at its side to prove once and for all that Japan has overcome its past historical legacy and moved beyond its past. Japan and South Korea in their partnership with ASEAN and some more regional countries I believe has a future ahead that will benefit not just this region, but it will have huge implications in global geopolitics.

I completely agree and believe that the Japanese Administration under Abe needs to implement this foresight. Tho I am sure Abe sees the political importance of developing the channels of communication with Seoul , which has been reiterated with our government's recent collaboration with Seoul on the status of North Korea's nuclear capabilities and on the status of Japanese citizens who were kidnapped. This is a chance for Abe to reign in South Korea , and to show initiative to work with South Korea to tackle trade concerns and political disagreement(s).


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Hwang Joon-kook, Special Representative for Korean Peninsula Peace and Security Affairs, shakes hands with Junichi Ihara, Director-General of the Asian and Oceanian Affairs Bureau, before a July 16 meeting at the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Tokyo. (by Gil Yun-hyung, Tokyo correspondent)

S. Korea and Japan’s talks reps hold meeting in Tokyo : North Korea : Home


http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/17/ball-in-abes-court-with-japan-south-korea-ties/
 
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Currently if you add #Muslim in ASEAN and non-Muslim, the later are still majority, or may be on par. Indonesia is not 97% Muslim, but 80% according to Wiki. Malaysia has 37-40% non-muslim Malaysian Chinese. If you add BD population into the inequality, then Muslim will outnumber non-muslim. Then,... Fire of conflict will occurs. You see Chinese persecuation in Indonesia, Malay Chinese 2nd citizenship, and so on. I would not go to quote Quran for you. There are even teaching about how to do with non-muslim.

You read Viet Comment around #3 - #5 on this thread. Why even a Vietnamese also oppose Islam? You see the ongoing conflict with Bhuddist in Burma and Sri Lanka, why is that happening? How many combination of all number of religious are their? Suppose the world has Christ, Hindu, Buddhist, Kong zhi, Islam, Juda, a total of 6 religious. How many pairs of conflict of these 6 religious there can be? Mathematical answer gives you 6(choose)2=15 pairs.

Now you open the news and count. How many conflict Christ vs Hindu? Christ vs Bhuddist? Christ vs Kongzhi, Christ Vs Islam? Christ vs Juda? Hindu vs Bhuddist? Hindu vs Khong zhi? and so on. Keep doing this until all 15 pairs are counted.

You will find overwhelming conflict with Islam. Why is that? Ph.D student? gives the proper explanation.

Now lets list some country where there are ongoing conflict with Muslim.
Thailand, Srilangka, Myanmar, China, Russia, U.S., Israel, .... and the list keep going, why is that?

Lets look at our friend kalu_miah why is he so pro islam that one day muslim will conquer the world? Why is that? Why are they so much about conquer other's religious&land? Why is that?

My previous occupation was telecom engineer, I went to live in Brunei 3-4 months, Pakistan 1-2 months, and I can't live in these 2 countries. I really don't like. Its about culture, especially about culture w.r.t women. There was a project to go to Saudi-arabia. I was so... happy that the project didn't happened. I was so happy with my 6 months in Singapore. It was so good.

If you want us to live with Islamic culture for your latent political desire to contain China, you are so not care about us. Many of Thai and me cannot live in islamic country.


Read this: Christian Pakistani takes refugee to Thailand because of religious
Packing their bags: Christians moving to Thailand to escape violence, insecurity – The Express Tribune

The Muslims like to self-vcitimze worse than the feminist. Modern Russia for all evidence are good to minorities and no one other than Muslims give trouble to Russian.

The Thai is among world most gentle race. But today Thai are hated by Malays for shitting on Malay Muslims but in reality Malay are among world biggest Nazi due to Islamofascism.

The modus operandi of Islam is to kill a few innocent gentiles, then take cover among the people. The security forces would then come in and during their mope up, incur civilian casualties. Then Muslim will rant to the whole world Islam is discriminated. Jihadist will rush in and conduct all sorts of killings.

Unfortunately Muslims are supported by USA to give the world trouble. Al Qaeda is CIA baby, same as Saudi. Muslims are just like gangsters who cannot stand up with badass but they keep bully gentleman like Thai.

Thaksin was being accused of indiscriminate killings.

The real man today is Myanmar. I can assure you no big Jihad will occur in Myanmar despite they have larger Muslim population than Thai in percentage. And despite the fact is Myanmar kill more Muslims than Thai.

The reason is Muslims are gangster. They bully. When they see sissy Thai army, they kill and kill.

Myanmar army are real man. They kill and rape and do whatever thing. When jihadist commit terror, the Myanmar does not care to find the culprit. The myanmar will expel the entire population and those who refuse to leave will be killed or rape.

So when there is naughty Jihadist around, the entire Muslim village will be burn. Myanmar Muslim will beg Jihad to leave. They may even sell out Jihadist.

Similarly the world has seen Stalin man handle Chechen and central asian Muslim. During Stalin time, everything is peaceful.

The Islamic world must thank Stalin for killing the most radical mullah in central asia, and now central asia is peaceful. Unfortunately or fortunately, Stalin works are not so completed in caucasus. So there is trouble.
 
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Burmese-Buddhists Victims Of Mandalay Muslim Riots
Compilation of translated posts from Shin Wirathu’s Blog in July 2014.

The Muslim-riots-affected area by the Saudi-Funded giant “Joon Mosque” occupying the whole city block bounded by 27th, 28th, 81st, and 82nd streets in downtown Mandalay have been a Bengali-Muslim stronghold for many years now.
And once the news of Buddhist-Muslim confrontations broke out all those Bengali-Muslims armed with swords and spears and other home-made weapons had come out in force from that area and attacked any Burmese-Buddhist they found on the streets of Mandalay those two days.
Hla Oo's Blog: Burmese-Buddhists Victims Of Mandalay Muslim Riots


July 1 2014
Race Riots In Mandalay After Muslims Raped Buddhist Girl
Hla Oo's Blog: Race Riots In Mandalay After Muslims Raped Buddhist Girl



Burmese are fighting hard with Bangali Muslim. We sided with Bhudda protector Burma.
 
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Just to be sure. Read this on your own so you understand.
Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Its a party hated by the common masses in both Bangladesh and India. They committed war crimes the likes of which were conducted in the Baltics.
What we find unpalatable is how can some Bangladeshis(Jamaati) conduct genocide on their own countrymen for Pakistan.

Top Jamaat leader hanged in Bangladesh for war crimes – The Express Tribune


Jamaat is no longer even a recognized political party by the ruling of the Honorable Supreme Court of Bangladesh.

As far as territorial disputes are concerned, yes we do have territorial disputes but nothing on the lines of India-Pakistan.
Both the Government of India and Govt of Bangladesh are fully committed to resolving the disputes peacefully. In fact, the Indo-BD border has already been mutually agreed by the two Governments. The treaty for Land-Boundary settlement has been signed by India and BD.

While the treaty has been ratified by Bangladesh, it is yet to be ratified by Indian Parliament because it requires Constitutional Amendment which is a very tough process. This has been pending because the last Government did not have the majority to pass through legislation.

The new Government of India (which has a majority) has already said that they are committed and will pass the legislation as soon as possible.

The UN arbitration on the Sea boundary though caused a loss to India (The verdict gave majority of what we claimed to Bangladesh) yet we are still happy that the issue has been resolved and happy for the final resolution of the maritime boundary.

Our commitment to Bangladesh can be seen by the fact that after the new Govt of India was sworn in, the first visit of our Foreign Minister out of India was to Bangladesh.

And its not just that, Bangladesh has also helped India immensely by killing anti-India terrorists which were using Bangladesh as a base. They have helped in giving us their river waterways to transport heavy equipment to setup powerplants in North East India.

On the whole you can see that India and BD are not just okay, but are actively working to make their relationship better and better. You can expect that before 2016, India would have passed the Land Boundary Agreement in Parliament that would formally settle the border once and for all. We - Indians - are rather happy with Bangladesh and want common Bangladeshis to become more and more prosperous. We wish them nothing but the best. Its the jamaatis we have a problem with. They have a tendency to lie. You can see from the PEW poll itself that over 70% of Bangladeshis have a favourable opinion of India - that is damn high and should show you the truth.

Hi @Contrarian ,

From your post and from my own independent research/ reading on Bangladesh and Indian relations, it seems that there are some issues that come to the fore. For one, the recent UN Arbitration that concluded in favor of Bangladesh apparently has been a thorn that has affected the two nations' relations; almost 4 decades long. Since we have seen the resolution to this territorial difference, it is plausible to eventually see an official demarcation between India and Bangladesh. Tho i know that it requires India to pass a Congressional Resolution by amendment , i believe that if this is passed, it would definitely be a confidence building measure.

I try to remain neutral in regards to the relationship between India and Bangladesh, namely because both sides have very potent points. This is why I will stress the necessity for both Bangladesh and India to develop cross border trade. Economic development is always the catalyst to political reform. This said, I think that it will be to the best interest that the new Bangladeshi PM , in the future, will enact a 'Bangladesh First' Policy. I don't think it will be impossible to maintain a 'Bangaldesh First' initiative while at the same time maintaining a healthy rapport between Dhaka and New Delhi.

Thanks for sharing with me the Indian point of view.

Best,
@Nihonjin1051
 
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Burmese-Buddhists Victims Of Mandalay Muslim Riots
Compilation of translated posts from Shin Wirathu’s Blog in July 2014.

The Muslim-riots-affected area by the Saudi-Funded giant “Joon Mosque” occupying the whole city block bounded by 27th, 28th, 81st, and 82nd streets in downtown Mandalay have been a Bengali-Muslim stronghold for many years now.
And once the news of Buddhist-Muslim confrontations broke out all those Bengali-Muslims armed with swords and spears and other home-made weapons had come out in force from that area and attacked any Burmese-Buddhist they found on the streets of Mandalay those two days.



Hla Oo's Blog: Burmese-Buddhists Victims Of Mandalay Muslim Riots

The only good Muslims in the world today is the Chinese Muslims, Hui or Panthay. No one harass Panthay, even in Myanmar. For a long time, Muslims have been orgasming on their gangsterism. They are not victim of others, they are gangsters and trouble maker.

Panthay Muslims protect their name

He said the residents of the Panthay quarter on 80th Street worked hard to keep good relations with their Buddhist neighbours, and added that much of the anger ostensibly directed against Muslims was in fact aimed at ethnic Indians.

“There have always been frictions between the Indians [and the Myanmar],” he said, adding the Panthays managed to stay outside the fray.
 
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