South China Sea Forum

[70U63]

"The Chinese maritime silk road is a logistical route from China to other countries and so if the offer is accepted Indonesia will become consumers of Chinese products forever," he said in a seminar here on Monday.

So what is your view on this?
I thought this provide an opportunity for Indonesia (depend how they play to the game to their advantage).

 

[CCP]

sizes of 3 new islands compare to old islands

Zhubi island today (left 3)

 

[Nike]

So what is your view on this?
I thought this provide an opportunity for Indonesia (depend how they play to the game to their advantage).

my personal view here, i can't deny his (Sultan Hamengkubuwono wariness) about Chinese plan and the possibility of long term negative effects on behalf of their plan, but i think Indonesia have to make a choice regarding investment, development and unemployment in some outer islands like in Papua and Maluku and made some limited cooperation with the Chinese to handling those issues.

 

[Viet]

sizes of 3 new islands compare to old islands

Zhubi island today (left 3)

nice. looks we have to acquire similar means to do massive land reclamation. that is a long game, my friend.

 

[CCP]

nice. looks we have to acquire similar means to do massive land reclamation. that is a long game, my friend.

Well, I don't think it will take more than 2 more years.

 

[Viet]

more patrol ships coming

 

[CCP]

more patrol ships coming

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LOL, what a huge ship. How many tons is it?

Does it have half (or 1/3) of the size of Chinese new 12,000 tons coast guard ships?

Can not wait to see next ship collision at SCS.

 

[BoQ77]

Vietnam need only 1200t to handle that 12000

 

[CCP]

Vietnam need only 1200t to handle that 12000

Let's wait to see.

 

[Viet]

LOL, what a huge ship. How many tons is it?

Does it have half (or 1/3) of the size of Chinese new 12,000 tons coast guard ships?

Can not wait to see next ship collision at SCS.

ok, that means we need to build bigger ships. that is not a fair game, nor fairplay. you are shameless.

 

[JayMandan]

 

[Aepsilons]

Hahaha, too cute !


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Japan, Philippines hold historic naval drills


Two Japanese destroyers and one of the Philippines’ newest warships began historic naval exercises in the flash point South China Sea on Tuesday, showcasing a deepening alliance aimed at countering a rising China.
The daylong war games, the first bilateral naval exercises between the former World War II foes, took place less than 300 km (185 miles) from a Philippine-claimed shoal now under Chinese control.

Japan’s cooperation follows a speech last year by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe vowing to help Southeast Asia maintain freedom of navigation and overflight in the region.

The exercise followed a pact in January between Japan and the Philippines, aimed at tightening security cooperation.

Philippine authorities insisted the exercises were merely focused on building military capabilities, but security analysts said they were clearly a signal to China over bitter maritime territorial disputes.

“First, they demonstrate that China’s Pacific neighbors are beginning to balance against China,” said professor Michael Tkacik, a foreign policy expert at Stephen F. Austin State University in Texas.

“Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, and assorted other states are threatened by China’s behavior, even as far away as India,” he added. “Thus, the Philippines and Japan are jointly making an important statement about how seriously they view China’s actions.”

China has caused deep concern regionally in recent years as it has become more aggressive in staking its claims to the South China Sea and the Japanese-controlled Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea.

Beijing insists it has sovereign rights to nearly all of the South China Sea. However, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei have competing claims to parts of the sea, which is vital to the global shipping industry and is believed to contain huge deposits of fossil fuels.

In 2012, China took control of Scarborough Shoal, a rich fishing ground within the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone and more than 650 km from the nearest major Chinese landmass. Chinese coast guard vessels have since guarded the shoal and denied Filipino fishermen access, triggering a series of protests from Manila.

Although the Philippine Navy had declined to say exactly where Tuesday’s exercises took place, it said the vessels sailed into the South China Sea from the former Subic Bay U.S. naval base, which is about 270 km southeast of Scarborough Shoal.

Two Japanese destroyers and a Philippine warship participated in a maritime safety exercise, practicing the drill for unplanned encounters, known as CUES, Philippine officials said.

A Philippine Navy spokesman said the exercises were the first bilateral war games between the two nations.

“It would be naive for anyone to think this is just an ordinary joint exercise in the light of some assertive actions by China in the South China Sea,” said Wilfrido Villacorta, at the Manila-based De La Salle University.

He described this as a “natural reaction” by the Philippines after recent “provocations.”

Villacorta cited in particular China’s recent flurry of reclamation activities on reefs in the Philippine-claimed Spratly island chain, turning them into islands capable of hosting significant military outposts.

Japan was trying to build constructive ties with traditional rival China, said security expert Narushige Michishita, of Tokyo’s National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies.

“But in a low-key, but understandable, manner it’s sending a message to the Chinese leadership that ‘Even if you use force to expand your sphere of influence, there is a limit to what you can do and the countries in the region are willing to stop it.’ ”

The latest joint exercise will likely be just one more step toward closer cooperation between the Philippines and Japan, said Julius Cesar Trajano, senior analyst at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies.

“Japan is trying to test the waters (to show) that it is willing to assist its partners in the region,” he said.

However, because of legal limits to the military aid it can extend, Trajano said Japanese aid will likely be in the form of training or to nonmilitary institutions like the coast guard.


Japan, Philippines hold historic naval drills | The Japan Times

 

[soundwave1987]

Is that supposed to be a problem？We'll continue to expand the artificial islands and gradually take over the islands illegally occupied like what we did in the past years. Japan & Philipine can hold up whatever they want, but do you dare to attack when we dont use forces first？If you dont, good, we will push you out by civilian ships（may be some "accident crushes"will happen and we happen to have load of large ships)\^O^/. If you do, good, we will blame you for starting a war and defend ourselves by all means, and then let the wardog unleashed(^_^)

Oh and by the way, in 2009, a tiny weak poor chinese fishboat run into the big mighty Japenese coast guard near Diaoyu Island, guess what happened?

 

[Aepsilons]

Why are these Chinese posters always interfering in areas that do not concern them.

This is a thread about Japan and the Philippines, regarding a naval exercise between the JMSDF and the Philippine Navy within Philippine Maritime Territory.

Must Chinese always interfere in areas that do not concern them? Preposterous.

 

[Aepsilons]

Please do not post anything unrelated to Japanese-Philippines Naval cooperation in this thread.

There are hundreds of Chinese-related threads in PDF, post there.

This thread does not concern the Chinese.