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lol...honestly, he is living in his own little world

What he said has no point, building Islands (Or even an airfield on an Island) cannot compare to having an Aircraft Carrier in the region, for a simple reason, they can't move.

But obliviously, he is thinking, no, because he has been doing this kind of comparison in Bloomberg, which he think made him an expert....lol

Do you even bother reading other people's posts? What does that say in bold (see below)?

Firstly, you complained that I did not make it clear that the islands had airfields. It was in the single-paragraph news citation. Also, it is common knowledge. Except for you, no one on this forum had that misconception.

Secondly, you are now sharing the insight that islands don't move! No way Sherlock.
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Dragon vs. Eagle: South China Sea balance of power

China is currently reclaiming seven islands with 600 acres of land in the South China Sea. In comparison, the United States has 11 aircraft carriers with a surface area of four acres each. In total, the U.S. has 44 acres.

The advantage of the U.S. 44 acres is its mobility. However, the disadvantage is those 44 acres can be sunk.

China's 600 acres are unsinkable. Also, China is busy building its own aircraft carriers to level the playing field.

In conclusion, China is winning the South China Sea stare-down. China is likely to reclaim islands beyond the seven currently. In three years, Chengdu J-20 heavy stealth fighters will augment Chinese firepower in the South China Sea. Around 2020, we may see the emergence of Chinese Nimitz-class supercarriers.
 
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Do you even bother reading other people's posts? What does that say in bold (see below)?

Firstly, you complained that I did not make it clear that the islands had airfields. It was in the single-paragraph news citation. Also, it is common knowledge. Except for you, no one on this forum had that misconception.

Secondly, you are now sharing the insight that islands don't move! No way Sherlock.
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Dragon vs. Eagle: South China Sea balance of power

China is currently reclaiming seven islands with 600 acres of land in the South China Sea. In comparison, the United States has 11 aircraft carriers with a surface area of four acres each. In total, the U.S. has 44 acres.

The advantage of the U.S. 44 acres is its mobility. However, the disadvantage is those 44 acres can be sunk.

China's 600 acres are unsinkable. Also, China is busy building its own aircraft carriers to level the playing field.

In conclusion, China is winning the South China Sea stare-down. China is likely to reclaim islands beyond the seven currently. In three years, Chengdu J-20 heavy stealth fighters will augment Chinese firepower in the South China Sea. Around 2020, we may see the emergence of Chinese Nimitz-class supercarriers.

dude, do you also remember I said in the very beginning, Having an Island is not a good Idea if you cannot defend it? Because unlike an Aircraft carrier, if you cannot defend an Island, you cannot move the island somewhere else but having your defender dies in the Island.

I am saying this from the beginning of this post and yet you choose to ignore it time and again, 6 post in, you have not even comment once on my main point of why having an Island is different than having and Carrier and only go blah blah blah of me being a grunt and you have been on Bloomberg for a long time....

I think you are the one whom don't bother looking at other people post, yet you turn around and accuse me of being what you did lol, there is a reason why member here almost acknowledge I have a vast knowledge of defence matter and you are just a joke. You probably need to listen more and talk less.
 
dude, do you also remember I said in the very beginning, Having an Island is not a good Idea if you cannot defend it? Because unlike an Aircraft carrier, if you cannot defend an Island, you cannot move the island somewhere else but having your defender dies in the Island.

I am saying this from the beginning of this post and yet you choose to ignore it time and again, 6 post in, you have not even comment once on my main point of why having an Island is different than having and Carrier and only go blah blah blah of me being a grunt and you have been on Bloomberg for a long time....

I think you are the one whom don't bother looking at other people post, yet you turn around and accuse me of being what you did lol, there is a reason why member here almost acknowledge I have a vast knowledge of defence matter and you are just a joke. You probably need to listen more and talk less.

Try reading my other citation about China's JY-26 anti-stealth radar. You should also consider China's ASBM and YJ-18 Aegis-killer missile. The South China Sea is also crawling with numerous Chinese submarines. Additionally, J-11Bs patrol the South China Sea. I have also previously mentioned the use of Chinese CM-506KG glide bombs to attack capital naval ships.

Who said China can't defend the South China Sea islands? You? Don't make me laugh. No one agrees with you.

If you have a convincing and well-argued citation from a think-tank like RAND, I'll be happy to read it. Otherwise, stop making ridiculous claims like China can't defend its South China Sea islands.

In an earlier post, I argued China had the shortest logistical lines and a massive naval base at Sanya.

I had also pointed out that China has a SOSUS in its bordering seas and that conveys a huge advantage in detection of enemy submarines and naval ships.

The huge Chinese islands allow the emplacement of HQ-9 and S-300 missile batteries. The Chinese islands will be well-defended.

In light of the Chinese armaments, air power, SOSUS, and shortest logistical lines, the probability favors China over a few aircraft carrier groups.
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Since you seem to be ignorant, I suggest you read the following article from the American Enterprise Institute.

China's dangerous South China Sea challenge » AEI

"Chinese motives for militarizing the Spratlys, however, may not be purely defensive. Airstrips, helipads, gun emplacements, supply stores, ship berths—when built some 700 miles from the Chinese coastline, these are enablers of power projection....

Put simply, the creation of new islands in the South China Sea playing host to Chinese military forces will create new challenges for military planners in...the United States."
 
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Try reading my other citation about China's JY-26 anti-stealth radar. You should also consider China's ASBM and YJ-18 Aegis-killer missile. The South China Sea is also crawling with numerous Chinese submarines. Additionally, J-11Bs patrol the South China Sea. I have also previously mentioned the use of Chinese CM-506KG glide bombs to attack capital naval ships.

Who said China can't defend the South China Sea islands? You? Don't make me laugh. No one agrees with you.

If you have a convincing and well-argued citation from a think-tank like RAND, I'll be happy to read it. Otherwise, stop making ridiculous claims like China can't defend its South China Sea islands.

In an earlier post, I argued China had the shortest logistical lines and a massive naval base at Sanya.

I had also pointed out that China has a SOSUS in its bordering seas and that conveys a huge advantage in detection of enemy submarines and naval ships.

The huge Chinese islands allow the emplacement of HQ-9 and S-300 missile batteries. The Chinese islands will be well-defended.

In light of the Chinese armaments, air power, SOSUS, and shortest logistical lines, the probability favors China over a few aircraft carrier groups.

You forgot about EMP too. Yeah, China can just use it and expect anyone and everyone to just sit there and have their feet in their mouth, lol.

Who are you for me to convince you? You are an nobody here, and RAND?? I used to worked with the NSA, I KNOW people who working for RAND, and I have some friend actually working in RAND think tank got paid 200K a year, you want me to send them your BS point so they can laugh at you in an official RAND capacity??, not to mention you are an nobody in real life. So what did I get if I can convince you that I am right and you are wrong. LOL

For people like you think that War is just a piece of cake and defending an Island is no problem, regardless on how much troop you can feed and how many troop you can support, logistic, combat power, defence ability curve, loss of strength gradient were all not considered but you tell me some hardware you got can surely defend your little island?? LOL, you got to be kidding me.

Do you even know how war was fought?? And in the Military Academy and OCS (YES THE REAL DEAL) we were taught that unless you can be sure logistic support can be established and you have consider all the factor that you can indeed support an island, NO ONE, I say again, NO ONE should consider defending an island and rather should evacuate it. Do you even know why??

If you cannot convince people here that you are something, it would be a big embarrassment for you to put yourselves in the same level as RAND lol. Tell me, how many people here think you are seriously a man with defence knowledge??
 
Subi Island 27.07.2015:

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Another airport in the middle of nowhere in the making。:enjoy:

沁园春 改造自然气势弘

改造自然,铸造辉煌,气势恢弘。看南泉北调,东输西气;北煤南运,西电东通。
全局一棋,筹谋善用,决策英明百世功。龙头舞,把九州带动,百业兴隆。
中华天下为公,见亿万愚公豪气冲。让黄河水碧,长江坝起;火车渡海,船箭升空。
建设文明,繁荣经济,全面小康日子红。今朝好,是民安国泰,沐浴春风。


:enjoy:
 
Since when are you maoist imperialist smart?
always

dude, do you also remember I said in the very beginning, Having an Island is not a good Idea if you cannot defend it? Because unlike an Aircraft carrier, if you cannot defend an Island, you cannot move the island somewhere else but having your defender dies in the Island.

I am saying this from the beginning of this post and yet you choose to ignore it time and again, 6 post in, you have not even comment once on my main point of why having an Island is different than having and Carrier and only go blah blah blah of me being a grunt and you have been on Bloomberg for a long time....

I think you are the one whom don't bother looking at other people post, yet you turn around and accuse me of being what you did lol, there is a reason why member here almost acknowledge I have a vast knowledge of defence matter and you are just a joke. You probably need to listen more and talk less.
tell me how we can't defend it?
 
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tell me how we can't defend it?

I never said anything about could China defend their Island, read my post again, all of my post said IF you can defend your Island.

Not having seen the Island defend myself, nor have a parameter that who Chinese are defending the Island from, there are no way to tell IF Chinese can defend the island.

But anyone have attend any Military College will tell you, Island fight is notoriously favor the attacker, not the defender. For 1 simple reason,the defender have to defend all side of the parameter, but the attacker only need to attack one. If an attack is execute perfectly, no Island is defensible from attack.
 
At Wanglaokan, JHungary is the master of excuses. If you read the past posts in this thread, you'll see that I couldn't get a straight answer out of him. He's constantly redefining the topic.

I suggest you don't waste any time on him. All he does is chant Iraq, NSA, etc. Anything that is unrelated to the South China Sea. If you'll notice, he's mumbling something about the Military College. This guy is living in his own world.
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Forty years of US neutrality on the South China Sea issue

For those that are keeping track, the latest US pronouncement of neutrality on the South China Sea occurred on December 7, 2014. From 1974 (see chart below) to 2014, that's 40 years of US neutrality. Happy 40th anniversary everybody!

Beijing's and Washington's Dueling South China Sea Papers | Center for Strategic and International Studies

"Dec 9, 2014 - Two days earlier the U.S. State Department released a long-awaited ... islands in the South China Sea, reiterating the U.S. position of neutrality."
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China and America: A Superpower Showdown in Asia | The National Interest

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I never said anything about could China defend their Island, read my post again, all of my post said IF you can defend your Island.

Not having seen the Island defend myself, nor have a parameter that who Chinese are defending the Island from, there are no way to tell IF Chinese can defend the island.

But anyone have attend any Military College will tell you, Island fight is notoriously favor the attacker, not the defender. For 1 simple reason,the defender have to defend all side of the parameter, but the attacker only need to attack one. If an attack is execute perfectly, no Island is defensible from attack.
those Islands are ours, even USA won't dare to touch it. No one can or afford to mess with China in our doorway. we are very confident about it. The artificial Island setup is the prelude of ADIZ in SCS.
 
Subi Island 27.07.2015:

172313c28ns8nia2zgmqgg.jpg.thumb.jpg


172316m48s5et38g8tiltk.jpg.thumb.jpg


Another airport in the middle of nowhere in the making。:enjoy:

沁园春 改造自然气势弘

改造自然,铸造辉煌,气势恢弘。看南泉北调,东输西气;北煤南运,西电东通。
全局一棋,筹谋善用,决策英明百世功。龙头舞,把九州带动,百业兴隆。
中华天下为公,见亿万愚公豪气冲。让黄河水碧,长江坝起;火车渡海,船箭升空。
建设文明,繁荣经济,全面小康日子红。今朝好,是民安国泰,沐浴春风。

:enjoy:

Wow what a poem that elegantly summarises our aspirations and achievements so far though I must admit it is far too deep in thoughts that the naive China-bashers can understand, let alone war strategies

When the whole SCS grand project is completed, I am wondering what rank should it fit in as the ____th Wonder of the World!

Keep going China!

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those Islands are ours, even USA won't dare to touch it. No one can or afford to mess with China in our doorway. we are very confident about it. The artificial Island setup is the prelude of ADIZ in SCS.

If you know that "ADIZ in SCS" is what everyone hate, except Chinese, you wouldn't like to post that
 
Progress made in South China Sea code of conduct consultations: spokesperson - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Progress made in South China Sea code of conduct consultations: spokesperson

BEIJING, Jan. 30 (Xinhua) -- Consultations between China and ASEAN countries on Code of Conduct (COC) in the South China Sea have made positive progress, the Foreign Ministry said Friday.

All sides have agreed to complete the COC on an early date, spokesperson Hua Chunying told a routine press briefing, adding that they also reached important consensus on "early harvest".

Hua's remarks came after a meeting of ASEAN foreign ministers in Malaysia.

China and the ASEAN countries are working to comprehensively and effectively implement the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC) and steadily push forward consultations on the COC, said Hua.

Formulation of the COC is a component of implementation of the DOC, according to Hua.

Signed in 2002, the DOC outlined the most important principles in the management of disputes on the South China Sea.

Hua called on relevant sides to enhance cooperation so as to create favorable conditions for consultations on the COC.
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I was surprised to see this article in SCMP, as they are generally biased against China. However, this is in their "Comment › Insight & Opinion" section.
I agree with every sentence in this report. I often wonder why China doesn't display the same kind of displeasure towards Malaysia. Of course, Malaysia seems to be doing things the right way, as far as China is concerned.

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Provoking China on South China Sea issues is a dangerous tactic | South China Morning Post

Provoking China on South China Sea issues is a dangerous tactic
Mark Valencia says those involved in South China Sea disputes with China must stop their hypocritical condemnations if they really want a peaceful resolution

Mark Valencia
PUBLISHED : Monday, 02 February, 2015, 5:01am
UPDATED : Monday, 02 February, 2015, 5:01am


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Cornering China could have dire consequences for the region. More vision and wisdom are needed by all concerned.

The governments of the Philippines, Vietnam and the US have, in recent months, lashed out at China over its behaviour in the South China Sea. This includes reclaiming land around some of its occupied but disputed features in the Spratlys; violating the self-restraint provision of the 2002 declaration of conduct agreed on by China and Asean; undertaking unilateral activities like hydrocarbon exploration in disputed maritime areas, preventing others from doing so; and, in general, bullying the smaller claimants.

Many analysts and the national media have joined the fray by supporting their countries' positions. Given the regional security implications, it is time to inject some balance into this narrative.

This is not a defence of China's actions; some of the criticism is deserved. Like many countries, China's maritime policies and behaviour have been a mix of good and bad, even ugly. But some criticism by governments and their nationalistic analysts and media is exaggerated or biased as they seek to "blame and shame" China and demonise it as an arrogant bully. Worse, some of it is so hypocritical as to be ludicrous.

First, all the claims to sovereignty over the Spratly Islands have weaknesses when measured against the international standard of continuous, effective occupation, control and administration, as well as acquiescence by other claimants.

Second, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Taiwan have undertaken reclamation on disputed features they occupy and have built airstrips and ports. Why have they not been criticised?

Third, the Philippines has publicly and formally criticised China for its "historical" claim in the South China Sea. But it had a similarly questionable historical claim there until 2009 (the so-called Treaty Limits) as well as a claim to islands, seabed and waters within Kalayaan. In fact, these claims have not been formally rescinded.

Fourth, all the other claimants have undertaken unilateral activities such as oil exploration, fishing, arrest of foreign fishermen, and scientific research in areas claimed by others, including China. Why are their activities not a violation of the declaration of conduct's "self-restraint" provision?

Fifth, China argues that the Philippines and now Vietnam are violating the declaration's provision that says "the parties undertake to resolve their territorial and jurisdictional disputes by peaceful means, without resorting to the threat or use of force through friendly consultations and negotiations by sovereign states directly concerned" (emphasis added). In China's view, they have "internationalised" the issue, the Philippines by filing a formal complaint with an international arbitration panel, and both by publicly appealing for the support of outside powers.

The US is involved because of its alliance with the Philippines and the fact it is now trying to draw closer, militarily, to Vietnam. Indeed, it may even provide Vietnam with maritime surveillance aircraft that it could use to help keep tabs on China's activities. This would obviously not be considered a friendly act by China.

Washington often urges Beijing to obey "international law" but has itself not joined some 166 countries that have ratified the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, or several other popular international treaties. Referring to the South China Sea situation, US Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian Affairs Daniel Russel has asserted that "bigger nations cannot bully the small". Perhaps he has forgotten the history of US relations vis-à-vis Cuba, Nicaragua, and many others.

Last year, Vietnam's confrontation with China over its oil rig provided an opportunity for anti-China Vietnamese to vent their anger. One result was the deadly anti-Chinese riots. In turn, Vietnamese policy and actions have stimulated Chinese antipathy and distrust. This has led to increased strategic thinking about the possibility of Vietnam becoming a pawn in US-China rivalry for dominance in the region. Vietnam's pandering to the US is disingenuous, distasteful and unworthy, and shows a lack of understanding of US strategy for the region as well as disrespect for the millions of Vietnamese who suffered and died to reject US influence.

As Vietnam's leaders should well know, China has been - and always will be - an unpredictable giant on its northern and maritime borders. In stark contrast, the US presence in the region is comparatively fresh, fickle and probably fleeting.

The moral is that countries (and their supporters) who live in glass houses should not throw stones - at least not before boarding up their own windows. They need to remove their nationalistic blinkers, be realistic and think more long term and in the interests of the region and political centrality of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in security.

Otherwise, they could well be contributing to the region again becoming a pawn in a Great Power chess game. Cornering and publicly embarrassing China on South China Sea issues could have dire consequences for the region. More vision, wisdom and balance are needed by all concerned.

Mark J. Valencia is an adjunct senior scholar at the National Institute for South China Sea Studies, Haikou, China
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Paracels is Islands of Vietnam. China is illegally robbed with force in 1974.

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Mark stone statue of sovereignty of Vietnam on Hoang Sa.
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