South China Sea Arbitration News & Discussion

[salarsikander]

Go start another thread and post them there. (You may be surprised at what you discover, too.) Just don't pollute this thread.

truth hurts ! but you hardly respond there

Not so its opinion and i respect that

US fighting weaklings is opinion ? SCS insignificant country's sitting on US lap and calling for its help is opinion ?

 

[Indika]

China will stand firm..

yeah at the bottom of the sea.

 

[Solomon2]

Here we go:

"....the Tribunal sees nothing to suggest that Article 298(1)(a)(i) was intended to also exclude jurisdiction over a broad and unspecified category of possible claims to historic rights falling short of sovereignty". ​

So because China bases its claims upon "historic rights", not sovereignty ("historic title"), and that this distinction was clear in the Chinese version of UNCLOS and in China's public statements, the Tribunal rejects China's claim that China's own reservations as expressed in its letters at and after signing apply.

Hence China remains bound by the full terms of UNCLOS, including the arbitration tribunal. (China would have to claim sovereignty by, for example, denying passage to shipping before China could invoke the optional exception to the rules.)

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

China rejects Hague tribunal judgment

Chinese FM says China rejects ruling, arbitration is a political farce made under pretext of law

This simple statement truly covers this entire unnecessary mess. Now that is the stated position of the Chinese government.

Short of WW3, nothing is going to change the historic facts on the ground. And no one is going to start a war over this. Least of all Philppines. All those wishing a shooting war between US and China can have their peace.

 

[salarsikander]

The real argument now is that Chinese will be bullying their neighbours because they can,
not because they are right.

But it is much better than invading a country under a fasle pretext of WMD , right ?

 

[Thunder-17]

This guy is a known Indian false flagger.

He's most likely a second id of an existing member - created a new account just to incite Islamophobic feelings among non-Muslims.

Here's one of his posts from the BD section after the IS attack:

Anyone who doesnt conform to your in-consistent narrative is a false flagger?
Why seperate rules for Muslims of palentine and kashmir and not for Xingiang? Xingiang musliams are not even allowed to pray to their wish. Everything they do is restricted by the commies. They have even less freedoms than our brothers in Kashmir and palestine. If you are a true muslim with an IQ greater than a chimp, it should instantly strike you.

Oh and I'm a false flagger nonsense crumbles down right away if you understand the words written here by me - https://defence.pk/threads/10-bangl...ve-entered-india-says-bangladesh-govt.439002/

 

[Jlaw]

@waz @WebMaster this is in wrong section. Please move thread.

 

[TechMan]

It is a court of arbitration, it has no power to enforce its decision. Philippines can go to war, impose sanctions or get a UN Security Council resolution against China, but none of these will happen. Philippines will not go to war with China clearly. It is also too small economically to impose sanctions against China. China has veto power in UN Security Council, Philippines will never get a resolution from UN Security Council without China vetoing it. All Philippines can do is make some noise in the media which China doesn't care.

In another word, this is just a drama in the international theater concerning South China Sea involving actors such as US, EU, China and Philippines. It will have no real life consequences.

One thing that is also noteworthy is China has never agreed to the arbitration. An arbitration needs two parties to agree to the arbitration to work. Philippines submitted the case unilaterally. The Permanent Court of Arbitration should not have accepted a case submitted unilaterally by one party. The Permanent Court of Arbitration has shown itself to be a political institution and not a judicial institution in this instance.

This has damaged the reputation of the Permanent Court of Arbitration. Is this surprising? Probably not given the influence of the West on the Permanent Court of Arbitration. However, the rest of the world will see the Permanent Court of Arbitration as political and will set up its own court of arbitration that is apolitical.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

It is a court of arbitration, it has no power to enforce its decision. Philippines can go to war, impose sanctions or get a UN Security Council resolution against China, but none of these will happen. Philippines will not go to war with China clearly. It is also too small economically to impose sanctions against China. China has veto power in UN Security Council, Philippines will never get a resolution from UN Security Council without China vetoing it. All Philippines can do is make some noise in the media which China doesn't care.

In another word, this is just a drama in the international theater concerning South China Sea involving actors such as US, EU, China and Philippines. It will have no real life consequences.

One thing that is also noteworthy is China has never agreed to the arbitration. An arbitration needs two parties to agree to the arbitration to work. Philippines submitted the case unilaterally. The Permanent Court of Arbitration should not have accepted a case submitted unilaterally by one party. The Permanent Court of Arbitration has shown itself to be a political institution and not a judicial institution in this instance.

This has damaged the reputation of the Permanent Court of Arbitration. Is this surprising? Probably not given the influence of the West on the Permanent Court of Arbitration. However, the rest of the world will see the Permanent Court of Arbitration as political and will set up its own court of arbitration that is apolitical.

Totally agree!

 

[Jlaw]

Hahaha. Now China has even more reasons to further miliatarize those islands for defense against possible attacks. Thank you US, PH, you've just allowed China to further her goals in the SCS. There can only be real peace when China is the strongest in her historical backyard...


Let me put this another way: 5 years from now, which do you think has more tangible value, [reasons to build] multiple military outposts [on the islands already reclaimed], or a "piece of trash paper"? Who do you think came out the bigger winner from this ruling?

They fell for China's scheme. Now China militarize as much as they want. Possibly even stop importing bananas from PN and damage their fragile economy.

 

[Solomon2]

...One thing that is also noteworthy is China has never agreed to the arbitration. -

Read the ruling. China agreed to UNCLOS, with reservations regarding cases involving Chinese sovereignty. This case does not, since China is only standing upon "historic rights", not "historic title" or sovereignty. Thus the mandated arbitration process applies.

 

[Zero_wing]

They fell for China's scheme. Now China militarize as much as they want. Possibly even stop importing bananas from PN and damage their fragile economy.

Sure sure and please send a nuke on the way

 

[Zero_wing]

looking forward for some Tejas and non nuke Agni missiles from India

 

[CHD]

Lol...China, Pakistan and North Korea...Great Alliance !!

Russia, Iran , African countries, South american countries, central Asia. You my friend should come out of your delusions.

Russia and China backs each other on every issue and if their is any adventure by west they will face both Russia and china and at that time Rrussia will also ask you whose side you are on

 

[jha]

looking forward for some Tejas and non nuke Agni missiles from India

Sure,why not ? India must assist friendly countries in securing their interests in every possible way.