South China Sea Arbitration News & Discussion

[JohnyD]

Russia, Iran , African countries, South american countries, central Asia. You my friend should come out of your delusions.

Russia and China backs each other on every issue and if their is any adventure by west they will face both Russia and china and at that time Rrussia will also ask you whose side you are on

lol..except Russia others hardly have any influence and many of them will change their stand if US ask them to do so.....and FYI...Russia is the biggest supporter of India! Russia and China are partners but India and Russia are friends since decades!

 

[Maira La]

Anyone who doesnt conform to your in-consistent narrative is a false flagger?
Why seperate rules for Muslims of palentine and kashmir and not for Xingiang? Xingiang musliams are not even allowed to pray to their wish. Everything they do is restricted by the commies. They have even less freedoms than our brothers in Kashmir and palestine. If you are a true muslim with an IQ greater than a chimp, it should instantly strike you.

Oh and I'm a false flagger nonsense crumbles down right away if you understand the words written here by me - https://defence.pk/threads/10-bangl...ve-entered-india-says-bangladesh-govt.439002/

Here's another gem from this saffron panty bot:

The entire country will now shit its pants because of 10 determined people. Coward enslaved country for a 1000 years still fears us Muslims.

Even false flagging requires IQ - you're just giving yourself away!

By the way, where in Pakistan are you from? Which city, which area? What's your native language?

 

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http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Sou...-Beijing-say-experts/articleshow/53180365.cms
NEW DELHI: The verdict of The Hague, rejecting China's claims to economic rights across large swathes of the South China Sea, is a damning indictment of Beijing. Its significance also lies in its stunning clarity - it leaves China with absolutely no room for re-interpretation.
For India, it was a sweet verdict, because it was recently stifled by China at the Nuclear Suppliers Group. So the verdict by the UN-appointed international court of arbitration was greeted with much satisfaction by New Delhi.

China said it neither accepts nor recognizes the tribunal's verdict
India's comment after the verdict was measured, but it was chiding China, for sure.
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"Sea lanes of communication passing through the South China Sea are critical for peace, stability, prosperity and development. As a State Party to the UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea), India urges all parties to show utmost respect for the UNCLOS, which establishes the international legal order of the seas and oceans" the external affairs ministry said in a statement.
Simultaneously, India's statement was also a reminder that India took an adverse UNCLOS ruling on the chin to resolve a maritime boundary issue with Bangladesh two years ago.
The MEA stated, "India supports freedom of navigation and over flight, and unimpeded commerce, based on the principles of international law, as reflected notably in the UNCLOS. India believes that States should resolve disputes through peaceful means without threat or use of force and exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that could complicate or escalate disputes affecting peace and stability."
It was a strong criticism of China's decision to disregard the award and continue as before. As expected, when China rejected the ruling it cited 2,000 years of history.
"China's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea shall under no circumstances be affected by those awards."
Shyam Saran, former foreign secretary said, "It's a damning indictment. Of course they can up the ante. But what does it do to them? They would appear as a rogue state if they fail to abide by international law."
Former NSA, Shivshankar Menon said he expects China to continue its aggressive expansionism in the South China Sea in the near future. "They cannot be seen to be backing down."

Victory not just for Philippines
Dr Mohan Malik, professor of Asian security in Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies Hawaii, said the verdict would be beneficial for India, too, not just for the Philippines.
"The verdict is a welcome development for India's economic (especially oil exploration in the South China Sea off Vietnam) and strategic interests. It provides legal and diplomatic cover for increased Indian naval engagement with other south-east Asian countries," he said.
The Hague's verdict could be a shot in the arm for other claimants like Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam etc. But Indian strategists believe the ASEAN would become more polarised than ever. This could give India greater acceptability as a balancing power.
Malik said the award would be beneficial for India in other ways too. "It will bolster India's case for NSG membership and weaken China's opposition and efforts to rally countries like South Africa, Brazil, Ireland and New Zealand against India in the next plenary meeting."
The most important part of the tribunal's award is the unequivocal quashing of Chinese claims of its territory on the famed 'nine-dash line.'
"Tribunal concluded that, to the extent China had historic rights to resources in the waters of the South China Sea, such rights were extinguished to the extent they were incompatible with the exclusive economic zones provided for in the Convention....
The tribunal concluded that there was no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the sea areas falling within the 'nine-dash line'.
The tribunal ruled China-occupied Spratly Islands could not "generate extended maritime zones" quashing China's claim that possession of these islands would give Beijing 200 nautical mile EEZ.
The court rapped China for violating "Philippines' sovereign rights in its exclusive economic zone" adding "Chinese law enforcement vessels had unlawfully created a serious risk of collision when they physically obstructed Philippine vessels."
China, the court ruled, "had caused severe harm to the coral reef environment and violated its obligation to preserve and protect fragile ecosystems and the habitat of depleted, threatened, or endangered species."
In a damning conclusion, it said "China's recent large-scale land reclamation and construction of artificial islands was incompatible with the obligations on a State during dispute resolution proceedings, insofar as China has inflicted irreparable harm to the marine environment, built a large artificial island in the Philippines' exclusive economic zone, and destroyed evidence of the natural condition of features in the South China Sea that formed part of the Parties' dispute."

I am not surprised with the verdict or Chinese stance .. it is clear that China showing up its muscle.... It will be interesting to see how long and to how many they will show up... snatching resources rich sea, thus to control fishing, other economical activities... kinda silly, when some Chinese members here or .... arguing they have power to suppress weak countries or as because China is major power... great powers fallen due to their global hegemony& expansionism.... world went to peaks during world wars because colonial powers - power showdown... this is nothing new to the world ... but looks like history repeats once again.. but damage could be huge ...

 

[CHD]

lol..except Russia others hardly have any influence and many of them will change their stand if US ask them to do so.....and FYI...Russia is the biggest supporter of India! Russia and China are partners but India and Russia are friends since decades!

You are just a buyer of Russian toys, if you were so close friends JF-17 will not be flying with Russian engines as you tried but due to china influence Russians rejected Indians, which shows how much influence you have and how much chinese.

 

[JohnyD]

You are just a buyer of Russian toys, if you were so close friends JF-17 will not be flying with Russian engines as you tried but due to china influence Russians rejected Indians, which shows how much influence you have and how much chinese.

lol..it was a mutual arrangement..u wont understand it now...remember, your engines are in Russian hands now! ,,
And dont forget Russia's role in Bangladesh separation from Pakistan... u need to grow up kid..,

 

[jha]

Chinese are way over reacting over an issue they claim to totally ignore. If this verdict is pointless and will have no impact whatsoever, why so much reaction ? Statements from everyone in govt ( From president to Def. minister to Foreign office ) and so many " sudden and not at all sponsored by state " reaction from citizens point to something else.

 

[Zero_wing]

I am not surprised with the verdict or Chinese stance .. it is clear that China showing up its muscle.... It will be interesting to see how long and to how many they will show up... snatching resources rich sea, thus to control fishing, other economical activities... kinda silly, when some Chinese members here or .... arguing they have power to suppress weak countries or as because China is major power... great powers fallen due to their global hegemony& expansionism.... world went to peaks during world wars because colonial powers - power showdown... this is nothing new to the world ... but looks like history repeats once again.. but damage could be huge ...

Well its their lives they screwing let them

 

[Solomon2]

Statement of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sovereignty and Maritime Rights and Interests in the South China Sea

2016/07/12
To reaffirm China's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea, enhance cooperation in the South China Sea with other countries, and uphold peace and stability in the South China Sea, the Government of the People's Republic of China hereby states as follows:

I. China's Nanhai Zhudao (the South China Sea Islands) consist of Dongsha Qundao (the Dongsha Islands), Xisha Qundao (the Xisha Islands), Zhongsha Qundao (the Zhongsha Islands) and Nansha Qundao (the Nansha Islands). The activities of the Chinese people in the South China Sea date back to over 2,000 years ago. China is the first to have discovered, named, and explored and exploited Nanhai Zhudao and relevant waters, and the first to have exercised sovereignty and jurisdiction over them continuously, peacefully and effectively, thus establishing territorial sovereignty and relevant rights and interests in the South China Sea.

Following the end of the Second World War, China recovered and resumed the exercise of sovereignty over Nanhai Zhudao which had been illegally occupied by Japan during its war of aggression against China. To strengthen the administration over Nanhai Zhudao, the Chinese government in 1947 reviewed and updated the geographical names of Nanhai Zhudao, compiled Nan Hai Zhu Dao Di Li Zhi Lüe (A Brief Account of the Geography of the South China Sea Islands), and drew Nan Hai Zhu Dao Wei Zhi Tu (Location Map of the South China Sea Islands) on which the dotted line is marked. This map was officially published and made known to the world by the Chinese government in February 1948.

II. Since its founding on 1 October 1949, the People's Republic of China has been firm in upholding China's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea. A series of legal instruments, such as the 1958 Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea, the 1992 Law of the People's Republic of China on the Territorial Sea and the Contiguous Zone, the 1998 Law of the People's Republic of China on the Exclusive Economic Zone and the Continental Shelf and the 1996 Decision of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China on the Ratification of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, have further reaffirmed China's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea.

III. Based on the practice of the Chinese people and the Chinese government in the long course of history and the position consistently upheld by successive Chinese governments, and in accordance with national law and international law, including the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, China has territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea, including, inter alia:

i. China has sovereignty over Nanhai Zhudao, consisting of Dongsha Qundao, Xisha Qundao, Zhongsha Qundao and Nansha Qundao;

ii. China has internal waters, territorial sea and contiguous zone, based on Nanhai Zhudao;

iii. China has exclusive economic zone and continental shelf, based on Nanhai Zhudao;

iv. China has historic rights in the South China Sea.

The above positions are consistent with relevant international law and practice.

IV. China is always firmly opposed to the invasion and illegal occupation by certain states of some islands and reefs of China's Nansha Qundao, and activities infringing upon China's rights and interests in relevant maritime areas under China's jurisdiction. China stands ready to continue to resolve the relevant disputes peacefully through negotiation and consultation with the states directly concerned on the basis of respecting historical facts and in accordance with international law. Pending final settlement, China is also ready to make every effort with the states directly concerned to enter into provisional arrangements of a practical nature, including joint development in relevant maritime areas, in order to achieve win-win results and jointly maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea.

V. China respects and upholds the freedom of navigation and overflight enjoyed by all states under international law in the South China Sea, and stays ready to work with other coastal states and the international community to ensure the safety of and the unimpeded access to the international shipping lanes in the South China Sea.

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Sorry, China, but the tribunal says that since China isn't applying sovereign actions and has no historical (pre-UNCLOS) record of control of the SCS the dispute is about rights, not sovereignty, and hence China didn't claim an exception from the arbitration tribunal in the letters it attached to the UNCLOS treaty.

Looks like poor Chinese diplomacy is to blame for this fiasco. Of course, nationalist Chinese lawmakers who forbade them to negotiate didn't help either. (Sometimes it's hard to tell a nationalist Chinese from a Nationalist Chinese, isn't it? Does anybody remember the days when the Chicoms were considered internationalists?)

 

[CHD]

The US is just going along the same path that Hitler followed, that is making to many enemies at the same time.

First Americans attacks muslims for oil and strategic locations then sanctions Russia and now teasing chinese. Are Americans sure that they want to go along the same path?
And all of these Parties needs to come together to face the next evil after Hitler

 

[Solomon2]

"the Tribunal accepts that China has asserted its claim to rights in the waters within 200 nautical miles of the Philippines baselines in good faith. That the Tribunal disagrees with China’s understanding of its rights and considers that there is no possible legal basis for China’s claimed rights does not mean that China’s understanding has not been genuinely held."

That's diplomatic language for, "China's diplomats and politicians may have been stupid and didn't understand what they were signing, but that's no excuse, either."

 

[sims1729]

if pakistan is backing china against UN then how can they claim UN resolution on kashmir as valid...this ruling is as useless as kashmir UN resolution

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Decision won't have any immediate effect, except Chinese Keyboard Warriors will have zero
credibility here at PDF when they try to argue that Chinese have any historical right to the area.
The real argument now is that Chinese will be bullying their neighbours because they can,
not because they are right.

Read the ruling. China agreed to UNCLOS, with reservations regarding cases involving Chinese sovereignty. This case does not, since China is only standing upon "historic rights", not "historic title" or sovereignty. Thus the mandated arbitration process applies.

And has anyone bothered to stop Israel from building all those illegal settlements, according to the UN?

They do it because they can. Same with the rest of the world.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

This is pretty retard, a Japanese judge on SCS affaire, this is no different of putting an ISIS judge to rule if American's claim still valid of Hawaii or America itself...LMAO just too funny

 

[Solomon2]

This is pretty retard, a Japanese judge on SCS affaire -

Don't look at the person, look at the arguments. That's where the authority comes from. China lost and lost very, very big. And because it presumed good faith on China's part, the tribunal concluded it was from stupidity and obtuseness. The implication is that if China's leaders were more talented China could have done a better job of it.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Respect the arbitration and follow the UNCLOS. If not lose the freedom of navigation across other ocean. Other countries need not provide safe route to your ships or your ships can be taken for granted.

Well like a smart jack you can argue that china is a super duper power blah...blah which will ensure safety of its maritime trade but the reality is that china cannot be present all over the globe, insurance rates will increase , countries can stop providing access to its port and the exports will become expensive. Over a period of time that arrogant smirk will be wiped off as the reality starts biting.

Chinese ships will be game for any pirates, good luck with that.