Son in law of Ayman Al Zawahiri arrested from Karachi

[Baghial]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1064520246629928960

RISING THE DEAD----------- AGAIN?

Why blame the CIA alone? After all ISI did work very hard to help out CIA in the field in this endeavor, did they not?

YOU CAN PUT--- ISIS- MOSSAD-RAW- NDS- IN THE SAME BASKET

 

[VCheng]

YOU CAN PUT--- ISIS- MOSSAD-RAW- NDS- IN THE SAME BASKET

Why not? The more the merrier, when it s free-for-all.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

America out of Afghanistan,India feels the burn in Afghanistan leading upto a more FRIENDLY situation in Afghanistan,political stability due to all opposition parties being under the grinder and cpec revitalizing our infrastructure hmm interesting 10 years ahead

My opinion is Pakistan is not going anywhere till at least another generation or at least until 2040. Until then progress will be by the inches with regular slidfe down the game of snake/ladders. And the single biggest reason. Mullahism. Unless or until this is erased in Pakistan it will not evolve to a developed nation. To develop you have make some effort to be in sync with the global order - be it the US or Chinese poles. Mullahism will not allow that to happen.

 

[Yankee-stani]

My opinion is Pakistan is not going anywhere till at least another generation or at least until 2040. Until then progress will be by the inches with regular slidfe down the game of snake/ladders. And the single biggest reason. Mullahism. Unless or until this is erased in Pakistan it will not evolve to a developed nation. To develop you have make some effort to be in sync with the global order - be it the US or Chinese poles. Mullahism will not allow that to happen.

Well moving an inch more is better than not moving anywhere,if that every inch Pakistan moves to progress that means the Mullahs lose some strength also if IK is smart he should start programs to ehance better ties with the Pakistani disapora in the Gulf,UK,USA or wherever so we can tell our countrymen not to slumber but to progress

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Donald Trump have highlighted Abbottabad on purpose.

What do u mean by it?

 

[LeGenD]

Fair points, but they all seemed like good ideas at the time. With the benefit of hindsight, it is easy to judge more harshly.

And besides, what is the option other than playing in the game? Sit it out on the sidelines? Pakistan cannot remain insulated to what is going on all around it, and within it.

Pakistan COULD play a better game, but.....

Operation Gibraltar which led to the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, was ill-planned adventure. Ayub Khan saw China humiliating India in a conflict in 1962 and thought that Pakistan could do the same in Kashmir. How it all turned out in the end? Neither US and nor China were there to help us take Kashmir by force.

India became ANGRY, and took full advantage of Pakistani political crisis in 1971. Even if East Pakistan was destined to separate, this could happen organically - not by the hands of India.

Kargil War was another mistake; not sure what Pervez Musharraf was thinking.

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Apparently no lessons were drawn from Operation Gibraltar earlier.

Hardly any Pakistani realize the fact that both Operation Gibraltar (1965) and Kargil War (1999) affected PAK - US relations on the sidelines, because Pakistan was the aggressor in each case, and US was never comfortable with Indo-Pakistan clashes to begin with.

As far as PAK - US engagements are concerned, Pakistan had no ENDGAME in relation to Operation Cyclone under Zia regime and the War On Terror under Musharraf-led administration. Pakistan just went with the flow in each case, and have paid a terrible price. End result is that PAK - US relations are fractured then ever. And India is increasingly hostile on top.

GAME is about thinking long-term - having an EXIT STRATEGY for a conflict in which you are a willing partner, and not to pick fights with a BIG NEIGHBOR unnecessarily. GAME is about letting the events unfold in an organic way, and when the time is right to push somebody off the cliff, give a minor push. GAME is about building an international image which serve you better in the long-term.

Unfortunately, Pakistani are too infatuated with MUSCLES, and have no GAME. We think that we can handle India on our own, but we fail to account for external elements in the game.

I am not sure what would be the outcome of China + Pakistan versus US + India + Israel SAGA (BIG DESIRE of some) but this won't end well for Pakistan in the end - I do not give a shit about what happens to India but I do care about the fate of Pakistan and my family. Infatuation with MUSCLES does not end well, period. Much of the country is conditioned to think on the lines of establishment, and not ask questions. Those who do - are declared traitors and silenced.

 

[Yaseen1]

Such arrests should not be made public and we should keep them secret as they damage Pakistan image in world.This will enforce u.s and indian narrative as we are harbouring terrorist and no one will trust us in future

 

[ziaulislam]

And then IK claims no Pakistani was involved with 9/11. How does that work, again, when so many right up to OBL were found there and yet no Pakistani is involved?

and whose fault is that, if you squeeze Afghanistan where are they going to end? in Nigeria? ..how can you stop them passing over to Pakistan in an uncontrolled afghan boarder, any attempt to control has been impossible by afghan with support of US..
who left them flourish in Afghanistan and didnt care....

if only USA would have supported boarder control/fencing, and return of refugees then Pakistan wouldn't have had any excuse..

fact is al qeda is now more active in IRaq, syria and yemen, thanks to pakistan squeezing them here and USA allowing unstability in these regions

 

[Crystal-Clear]

rliminate anyone who threats state . start with ptm .

 

[YeBeWarned]

Nothing to do with islam... is ethnic insurgency... ethnicity has no place in islam

yeah but in their own damn minds they are fighting for Islam ..

Though this peace shouldn’t be taken for granted.

Karachi still very over populated , any terrorist can hide in pashtoon areas , have you ever seen Al Asif Square ? or Afghan Basti ? or Safora goath ?

 

[Kaniska]

and whose fault is that, if you squeeze Afghanistan where are they going to end? in Nigeria? ..how can you stop them passing over to Pakistan in an uncontrolled afghan boarder, any attempt to control has been impossible by afghan with support of US..
who left them flourish in Afghanistan and didnt care....

if only USA would have supported boarder control/fencing, and return of refugees then Pakistan wouldn't have had any excuse..

fact is al qeda is now more active in IRaq, syria and yemen, thanks to pakistan squeezing them here and USA allowing unstability in these regions

Just wondering why these terrorist do not go to Iran which is another neighour of Afganistan and also an enemey of US....I know many Pakistan posters may not like my question....Technically all these anti US terrorist should feel assured in anti US Iran rather than roaming around in Pakistan...

 

[YeBeWarned]

now hand over to USA and got cobras and f-16s

Actually not a Bad idea, CIA can even say that they caught him
just give us 30 Zulu and 18 New F-16 block 52

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

My opinion is Pakistan is not going anywhere till at least another generation or at least until 2040. Until then progress will be by the inches with regular slidfe down the game of snake/ladders. And the single biggest reason. Mullahism. Unless or until this is erased in Pakistan it will not evolve to a developed nation. To develop you have make some effort to be in sync with the global order - be it the US or Chinese poles. Mullahism will not allow that to happen.

What if "Mullahism" is checked by "Don't push us" statement?

Such arrests should not be made public and we should keep them secret as they damage Pakistan image in world.This will enforce u.s and indian narrative as we are harbouring terrorist and no one will trust us in future

IMHO, it's a very discrete message to some very discrete fellows.....

True but you know and I know the driver, the primary driver was USA. If you took out USA from the equation it would not have happened. Pakistan was the client state that fleshed out Brzezinski's Bear trap .....

Friends with/for own benefits....

Ahh!!! The USA inded had folks like Brzezinski/Kissinger/Baker etc.!!! Now, they have Pompeo/Bolton/Nicky etc.!!!! What a fall from the Grace....

 

[Kabira]

Just wondering why these terrorist do not go to Iran which is another neighour of Afganistan and also an enemey of US....I know many Pakistan posters may not like my question....Technically all these anti US terrorist should feel assured in anti US Iran rather than roaming around in Pakistan...

Afghanis are not monolithic and only afghani pashtuns are taliban. Pashtuns live around border areas of Pakistan mostly and they migrated to Pakistan in large numbers. Farsi speakers migrated to Iran. Afghani taliban can easily blend in for that reason just in case you was wondering why.

Not to forget Iran have strict border policy and they don't let them outside camps.

And then IK claims no Pakistani was involved with 9/11. How does that work, again, when so many right up to OBL were found there and yet no Pakistani is involved?

Imran Khan claim is right. Pakistan even now doesn't have proper control on afghani border, case in point recent murder of Dawar in Afghanistan. Its not a easy border to control and neither cheap for Pakistan. Even if Pakistan stayed neutral from 80's, chances are terrorists would have moved to Pakistan if everything else happened as it happened.

 

[FuturePAF]

Well moving an inch more is better than not moving anywhere,if that every inch Pakistan moves to progress that means the Mullahs lose some strength also if IK is smart he should start programs to ehance better ties with the Pakistani disapora in the Gulf,UK,USA or wherever so we can tell our countrymen not to slumber but to progress

The Problem with this is the talent and investors from the diaspora need fertile ground to plant their ideas, and investments into. There are many who want to see the status quo continue, because their livelihoods, their financial empires are built on the continuation of the snails pace of development. This is while we only have this demographic dividend for the next 20-30 years, after which where we land will be really hard to grow out of. India has changed the rules and made places their expats can return to and contribute back into.

A solution would be the government creates R&D incubators inside its top universities. The top talent inside the country do the vetting process of proposals by Overseas Pakistanis. Sort of like the TV Show Shark Tank. Then those that look feasible get adopted in partnership between the Local top talent Professors and researchers and the Overseas Pakistanis. A small Government grant with 3-6 months window, to test out ideas, should be given to a select number of ideas, while other ideas can be picked up by private investors. At the end of 3-6 months, at monthly meetings of each universities seminars forum, results can be shared. If they show merit, the results can be validated by another team, and then applied at the district level for field testing for another 3-6 months.
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The government will have to fend off the status qou people at the district level, and if positive results are achieved, the government can declare it on a national level, and impose change by their writ of the state and force change.