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Even after being on this forum for quite a while, it never fails to amaze me how so many of you take your religion this seriously. If only people put half this effort into being a good human being instead of only being a good (put any religion here).
 
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This video has been discussed many times,the book is fake and edited

Nothing fake about the book. It’s a well-known publication of his and Qasim Nanutwi got a lot of grief and fatwas against him even in his life for saying what he said.

Problem is Deobandis can't reply to it so they declare it fake.
 
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Nothing fake about the book. It’s a well-known publication of his and Qasim Nanutwi got a lot of grief and fatwas against him even in his life for saying what he said.

Problem is Deobandis can't reply to it so they declare it fake.

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There have been many replies to Nanutvi's comments in which he meant something else But Qadianis picked it up and manipulated for their benifits...
One such reply can be read here
In addition there are Multiple Hadith in which Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) says He is the Last Prophet and there will be none after Him..

Since this is not a religiopus Forum i cannot CVopy paste Multiple Arguuments about Nanutvi's book..


Further more those in Denial can deny the existance of God with a truck load of Argumensts,and the likes of you can Argue against the Prophet Muhammad with what you beleive is true..and thats why we Muslims dont consider you as Muslims as your beleifs are in contradiction to our beleifs..

What you are writing here is proof why Qadiani Preaching and congregations were banned by law in Pakistan but Christian Preachins and Conregations arent banned,and are allowed.

Because you lot attack,manipulate and contradict our Core beleifs and can cause law and order situation while christians,Hindus and other Minoritioes have their own well defined beleifs which are not a mockery of Islam...

Thats why the Ban on you. But no ban on Hindus,sikhs,christians,Parsis and many other religious minorities of Pakistan.
 
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There have been many replies to Nanutvi's comments in which he meant something else But Qadianis picked it up and manipulated for their benifits...

So now you change the excuse. First it was a fake book now something else. Stick to one excuse.

The Maulana in video is a famous Brelvi scholar. The poor guy has went to the trouble of making the video of the actual book and displaying the actual pages in context so no Deobandi hypocrite can refute it and yet Deobandis still find excuses, even though this book is also easily available and online too for anyone to study.

No Deobandi can refute this clealry written book try as they may.
 
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Where is the word ‘Last’ in kalima?



Six Kalimas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you even know your own kalima? What does this make you, a non-Muslim?



Then how come you got it wrong?

This is probably the most devastating riposte I have read in these forums ... !!!

and Meesna you can't reason with a person who does not know what reason is. You stand more chance of expecting logical answers from a parrot. A narrow mind boxed in.

Nearly 60 years ago The Munir Commission Report 1953 headed by a Supreme Court judge after almost year of deliberation concluded that "no two divines could agree on a defintion of a Muslim" and it would appear in 2012 the situation remains the same. the mullah's can't even agree on a common day for Eid every year.

I would highly recommend people [ that is those who have the intellectuel capacity or appreciate reason and logic ] to read the full report. it is very detailed and thorough as a report by commission led by a judge should be. Of course it is not for your primary school kids.

http://www.thepersecution.org/dl/report_1953.pdf

* Not that it matter's but I am not a member of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community or the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement for the Propagation of Islam.
 
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So now you change the excuse. First it was a fake book now something else. Stick to one excuse.

The Maulana in video is a famous Brelvi scholar. The poor guy has went to the trouble of making the video of the actual book and displaying the actual pages in context so no Deobandi hypocrite can refute it and yet Deobandis still find excuses, even though this book is also easily available and online too for anyone to study.

No Deobandi can refute this clealry written book try as they may.

Nop i am not changing anything...
The book in the video has no Authenticity....But yes there are similar comments by Nanutvi which have caused much debate and the two lines the guy reads are manipulative as the commentery doesnt end there..
Nanutvi also goes on to say these lines.

"It's my firm Belief that after Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) there is NO chance of a prophet, Who has a belief against this, I consider him as a Kafir".

But like i said we muslims Beleive Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet and anybody after Him claiming to be the prophet of Islam is an imposter including your Mirza Qadiani..
Thats where we differ..Each to their own...
Good Luck with Beleiving in Qadiani...:tup:
 
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Nop i am not changing anything...

What I gather is that Qasim Nanutwi was a kfir zindeeq as he was firm denier of khatm-e-nabuwat. Any Deobandi who does not believe that is also a kafir zindeeq. All must now shun such hypocrite Deobandis and their zindeeq founder Qasim Nanutwi and his wretched madrassa Darulaloom Deoband until such time that all such Deobandis and Darulaloom Deoband spit on Qasim Nanutwi and his deviant and kafir beliefs.
 
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Nop i am not changing anything...
The book in the video has no Authenticity....But yes there are similar comments by Nanutvi which have caused much debate and the two lines the guy reads are manipulative as the commentery doesnt end there..
Nanutvi also goes on to say these lines.

"It's my firm Belief that after Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) there is NO chance of a prophet, Who has a belief against this, I consider him as a Kafir".

But like i said we muslims Beleive Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet and anybody after Him claiming to be the prophet of Islam is an imposter including your Mirza Qadiani..
Thats where we differ..Each to their own...
Good Luck with Beleiving in Qadiani...:tup:

Sarfriz, you might have a direct telephone line to god or who knows you might have a franchise from Allah and therefore as a agent of god you can decide who is a kafir and who is not.

Me? I am a just a human being - leave that to the hereafter and ............ Allah to decide.
 
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What I gather is that Qasim Nanutwi was a kfir zindeeq as he was firm denier of khatm-e-nabuwat. Any Deobandi who does not believe that is also a kafir zindeeq. All must now shun such hypocrite Deobandis and their zindeeq founder Qasim Nanutwi and his wretched madrassa Darulaloom Deoband until such time that all such Deobandis and Darulaloom Deoband spit on Qasim Nanutwi and his deviant and kafir beliefs.

You are repeating yourself over and over again....
Cherry picking at its best...

Meet me at a religious forum and i will debate you as much as you want but this is a defence forum unfortunately...

Sarfriz, you might have a direct telephone line to god or who knows you might have a franchise from Allah and therefore as a agent of god you can decide who is a kafir and who is not.

Me? I am a just a human being - leave that to the hereafter and ............ Allah to decide.
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There are clear Vesrses and Hadith defining who is Muslim and who is not...
Definition of Muslim is simple...

"The one who Obeys the Orders of Allah on the way of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H)" as defined by Kalmah..Quran and Hadith.
anybody who wants to do it on an imposters way iand has no beleif in Quran Hadith and modify them is clearly a non muslim.
 
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Nop i am not changing anything...
The book in the video has no Authenticity....But yes there are similar comments by Nanutvi which have caused much debate and the two lines the guy reads are manipulative as the commentery doesnt end there..

Feel free to provide the correct quotes with proper references, which you haven’t so far, so video stands and so do my assertions above. Qasim Nanutwi was a kafir zindeeq according to his own admission and Deobandis are hypocrites for associating with him and his madrassa Darulaloom Deoband.

There is no debate, the video is clear. The author is very clear on his views. It’s not like it’s in Chinese.
 
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Feel free to provide the correct quotes with proper references, which you haven’t so far, so video stands and so do my assertions above. Qasim Nanutwi was a kafir zindeeq according to his own admission and Deobandis are hypocrites for associating with him and his madrassa Darulaloom Deoband.

There is no debate, the video is clear. The author is very clear on his views. It’s not like it’s in Chinese.

Actually i have done it..
I have poted a link to a very long commentry on tghe video's contents...
Flip through the pages and you will find the link i posted...
I cannot copy paste as this is not a religious forum.....
 
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ISLAMABAD (AP) - The pioneering work of Abdus Salam, Pakistan’s only Nobel laureate, helped lead to the apparent discovery of the subatomic “God particle” last week. But the late physicist is no hero at home, where his name has been stricken from school textbooks.

Praise within Pakistan for Salam, who also guided the early stages of the country’s nuclear program, faded decades ago as Muslim fundamentalists gained power. He belonged to the Ahmadi sect, which has been persecuted by the government and targeted by Taliban militants who view its members as heretics.

Their plight _ along with that of Pakistan’s other religious minorities, such as Shiite Muslims, Christians and Hindus _ has deepened in recent years as hardline interpretations of Islam have gained ground and militants have stepped up attacks against groups they oppose. Most Pakistanis are Sunni Muslims.

Salam, a child prodigy born in 1926 in what was to become Pakistan after the partition of British-controlled India, won more than a dozen international prizes and honors. In 1979, he was co-winner of the Nobel Prize for his work on the so-called Standard Model of particle physics, which theorizes how fundamental forces govern the overall dynamics of the universe. He died in 1996.

Salam and Steven Weinberg, with whom he shared the Nobel Prize, independently predicted the existence of a subatomic particle now called the Higgs boson, named after a British physicist who theorized that it endowed other particles with mass, said Pervez Hoodbhoy, a Pakistani physicist who once worked with Salam. It is also known as the “God particle” because its existence is vitally important toward understanding the early evolution of the universe.

Physicists in Switzerland stoked worldwide excitement Wednesday when they announced they have all but proven the particle’s existence. This was done using the world’s largest atom smasher at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, near Geneva.

“This would be a great vindication of Salam’s work and the Standard Model as a whole,” said Khurshid Hasanain, chairman of the physics department at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad.

In the 1960s and early 1970s, Salam wielded significant influence in Pakistan as the chief scientific adviser to the president, helping to set up the country’s space agency and institute for nuclear science and technology. Salam also assisted in the early stages of Pakistan’s effort to build a nuclear bomb, which it eventually tested in 1998.

Salam’s life, along with the fate of the 3 million other Ahmadis in Pakistan, drastically changed in 1974 when parliament amended the constitution to declare that members of the sect were not considered Muslims under Pakistani law.

Ahmadis believe their spiritual leader, Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who died in 1908, was a prophet of God _ a position rejected by the government in response to a mass movement led by Pakistan’s major Islamic parties. Islam considers Muhammad the last prophet and those who subsequently declared themselves prophets as heretics.

All Pakistani passport applicants must sign a section saying the Ahmadi faith’s founder was an “impostor” and his followers are “non-Muslims.” Ahmadis are prevented by law in Pakistan from “posing as Muslims,” declaring their faith publicly, calling their places of worship mosques or performing the Muslim call to prayer. They can be punished with prison and even death.

Salam resigned from his government post in protest following the 1974 constitutional amendment and eventually moved to Europe to pursue his work. In Italy, he created a center for theoretical physics to help physicists from the developing world.

Although Pakistan’s then-president, Gen. Zia ul-Haq, presented Salam with Pakistan’s highest civilian honor after he won the Nobel Prize, the general response in the country was muted. The physicist was celebrated more enthusiastically by other nations, including Pakistan’s archenemy, India.

Despite his achievements, Salam’s name appears in few textbooks and is rarely mentioned by Pakistani leaders or the media. By contrast, fellow Pakistani physicist A.Q. Khan, who played a key role in developing the country’s nuclear bomb and later confessed to spreading nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya, is considered a national hero. Khan is a Muslim.

Officials at Quaid-i-Azam University had to cancel plans for Salam to lecture about his Nobel-winning theory when Islamist student activists threatened to break the physicist’s legs, said his colleague Hoodbhoy.

“The way he has been treated is such a tragedy,” said Hoodbhoy. “He went from someone who was revered in Pakistan, a national celebrity, to someone who could not set foot in Pakistan. If he came, he would be insulted and could be hurt or even killed.”

The president who honored Salam would later go on to intensify persecution of Ahmadis, for whom life in Pakistan has grown even more precarious. Taliban militants attacked two mosques packed with Ahmadis in Lahore in 2010, killing at least 80 people.

“Many Ahmadis have received letters from fundamentalists since the 2010 attacks threatening to target them again, and the government isn’t doing anything,” said Qamar Suleiman, a spokesman for the Ahmadi community.

For Salam, not even death saved him from being targeted.

Hoodbhoy said his body was returned to Pakistan in 1996 after he died in Oxford, England, and was buried under a gravestone that read “First Muslim Nobel Laureate.” A local magistrate ordered that the word “Muslim” be erased.

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...huns-physicist-linked-to-god-particle/?page=1
 
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Nice writing. If you are a Muslim why defending Ahmadi Faith. If you are not Muslim then you can not understand. For your kind information Ahmadis are declared non-muslims all over muslim countries around the world.
 
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No one has shunned Dr Salaam. That rubbish is in the media only. There is a chair at LUMS under Dr. Salam's name. I guess other universities have it too in Pakistan. Dr. Salam was not a muslim according to our constitution and our faith. So that does not make him any less Pakistani and his achievements have not gone unnoticed.

I have stopped reading AP or AFP posts. They never have anything positive about Pakistan. Isnt this enough to report that there is a Pakistani to celebrate for his achievements but a religious and social aspect is pulled and commented upon to show only a negative aspect.
 
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