Some in Pakistan shuns physicist linked to 'God particle'

[SamantK]

That's a lie, I studied about him in my school, even now the textbooks have his photos and details of his research, we didn't disowned him, we disowned the religion he believed in, he left Pakistan in protest and that was his choice, later he did regret his mistake, and he was always respected in Pakistan, for more, you can see what Zakii posted.

What is wrong with you? What was his mistake, not accepting the persecution of his belief? You seem like a Nazi believer!
Removing something from his grave, from a dead man's stone.. Did your Islam say that? Dont you people say Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion, how does this prove it, your Islamic laws cannot even tolerate a Word on dead man's grave. And people like you think it is ok?

 

[Dance]

" A local magistrate ordered that the word "Muslim" be erased.[/B]

Why was this local magistrates orders followed?

I always thought the government of Pakistan did this but it was some unknown magistrate ( who had to no right to mess with his gravestone in the first place)

 

[Uchiha]

Even though Ahmedi faith is heretic and obviously false, we have no right to say wether he will go to hell or heaven.
Even though he was misguided, I hope Allah forgives him and sends him to heaven.

وَبَشِّرِ الَّذِين آمَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّالِحَاتِ أَنَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الأَنْهَارُ كُلَّمَا رُزِقُواْ مِنْهَا مِن ثَمَرَةٍ رِّزْقاً قَالُواْ هَـذَا الَّذِي رُزِقْنَا مِن قَبْلُ وَأُتُواْ بِهِ مُتَشَابِهاً وَلَهُمْ فِيهَا أَزْوَاجٌ مُّطَهَّرَةٌ وَهُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ {25

 

[Rusty]

Why do Indians feel like they need to always give their unwanted opinions on the Ahmedi matter?

If I said that every murderer was a Hindu, then by your own logic you would not have a right to object.

There are certain criteria that need to be met before a label can be applied.

For example, a pizza needs to be made of dough and not rocks.
Similarly, you need to meet the definition of a Muslim to be a Muslim. Ahmedis don't meet that definition.

This is basic stuff people, I feel like I am teaching an elementary class.

 

[Soumitra]

Even though Ahmedi faith is heretic and obviously false, we have no right to say wether he will go to hell or heaven.
Even though he was misguided, I hope Allah forgives him and sends him to heaven.

وَبَشِّرِ الَّذِين آمَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّالِحَاتِ أَنَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الأَنْهَارُ كُلَّمَا رُزِقُواْ مِنْهَا مِن ثَمَرَةٍ رِّزْقاً قَالُواْ هَـذَا الَّذِي رُزِقْنَا مِن قَبْلُ وَأُتُواْ بِهِ مُتَشَابِهاً وَلَهُمْ فِيهَا أَزْوَاجٌ مُّطَهَّرَةٌ وَهُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ {25

how was he misguided? Do you wish to say that only "Pure Muslims" receive guidance? What about Hindus? (OK they are "Pagans") But what about Chirstians and Jews? They are "People of the book". Are they also misguided

Why do Indians feel like they need to always give their unwanted opinions on the Ahmedi matter?

If I said that every murderer was a Hindu, then by your own logic you would not have a right to object.

There are certain criteria that need to be met before a label can be applied.

For example, a pizza needs to be made of dough and not rocks.
Similarly, you need to meet the definition of a Muslim to be a Muslim. Ahmedis don't meet that definition.

This is basic stuff people, I feel like I am teaching an elementary class.

Your ulema could not give a consistent definition of who is a muslim when asked by the judge. How can you say "who is not a muslim?"

 

[SamantK]

Why do Indians feel like they need to always give their unwanted opinions on the Ahmedi matter?

we feel what we feel, same way you never stop to point out why we feel some way. Cannot take critisim?

If I said that every murderer was a Hindu, then by your own logic you would not have a right to object.

Please do as you wish, as if you restrain yourself, you have labeled Indians generally many times by your general conclusions.. It does not matter what you say anymore.

There are certain criteria that need to be met before a label can be applied.

exactly

Similarly, you need to meet the definition of a Muslim to be a Muslim. Ahmedis don't meet that definition.

Somebody called it Pizza, If I make it from something else and would still like to call it Pizza you can call me crazy.. will you kill me for that?

This is basic stuff people, I feel like I am teaching an elementary class.

You need to go back to the elementary classes, high time you need to learn the term and meaning called tolerance...

 

[yoku]

Why do Indians feel like they need to always give their unwanted opinions on the Ahmedi matter?

If I said that every murderer was a Hindu, then by your own logic you would not have a right to object.

There are certain criteria that need to be met before a label can be applied.

For example, a pizza needs to be made of dough and not rocks.
Similarly, you need to meet the definition of a Muslim to be a Muslim. Ahmedis don't meet that definition.

This is basic stuff people, I feel like I am teaching an elementary class.

No wonder, Muslim world has not many worthy intellectuals today. Read my earlier Post. You CAN disown him or insist that his is NOT a Muslim(by definition or whatever criteria you may choose to have) at a personal level or Private institutional level. The same goes to a community's case. But, the community themselves have the right to call them whatever they want and can make whatever claims they want. if in the Islamic countries, it's considered as propagation of wrong Religion, you can ban their activities on organisational level. But what you can't do is to make everyone declare that Ahmedi community is NOT Muslim there by effectively doing your own Propaganda against a certain form of belief of faith system Islam or NOT. Is that allowed in Islamic Law? That's Propagating AGAINST a certain faith or sect of Islam, say Shia Islam for argument sake or Christianity outside Islam case? Think of it. Is Islamic state allowed to carry out propagation against Christianity or Shia Islam? Use Your brain.

 

[funtoosh]

Although I agree that Pakistan did not do good to him when he was alive but it's not like Pakistan completely disowned him

on Rs 2 stamp.. where people spit on him to stick him? hmmmppff

 

[Uchiha]

on Rs 2 stamp.. where people spit on him to stick him? hmmmppff

That is seriously the stupidest post probably this whole week.(and believe me there's a lot of competetion on that from I-know-who)

 

[Hyde]

on Rs 2 stamp.. where people spit on him to stick him? hmmmppff

Like Uchiha said... the most stupid post I read in the whole week. You never heard about honory post office stamps?

So by your logic thousands of these people were idiots?

List of people on stamps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or may be Hundreds of people from India alone including your father of the nation?

List of people on stamps of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Safriz]

Part of the blame lieson the scientist himself...
He tried to be an Ahmedi/ Qadiani religious leader instead of a scientist..
If he had kept his religion to his private life and kept working as a scientist,all had been fie..
But being a leader has its pros and cost...Thats universal,not just for him./

Although i am unaware of any official condemnation of him...just verbal rumors in masses and thats all...

Likewise Obama is also hated among many Americans as being a foreign born muslim descendant...so Pakistan isnt alone in this..

 

[funtoosh]

Part of the blame lieson the scientist himself...
He tried to be an Ahmedi/ Qadiani religious leader instead of a scientist..
If he had kept his religion to his private life and kept working as a scientist,all had been fie..
But being a leader has its pros and cost...Thats universal,not just for him./

Although i am unaware of any official condemnation of him...just verbal rumors in masses and thats all...

Likewise Obama is also hated among many Americans as being a foreign born muslim descendant...so Pakistan isnt alone in this..

see the qadiani prophet (SAW AS) is being disrespected by you guys and allah will deliver fierce justice to all those who deny him.

Like Uchiha said... the most stupid post I read in the whole week. You never heard about honory post office stamps?

So by your logic thousands of these people were idiots?

List of people on stamps%r0- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or may be Hundreds of people from India alone including your father of the nation?

List of people on stamps of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but we never put people on a stamp and then abuse him..

That is seriously the stupidest post probably this whole week.(and believe me there's a lot of competetion on that from I-know-who)

who is my competition? i can show a bunch of your stupid posts from yesterday. so please..

 

[Safriz]

see the qadiani prophet (SAW AS) is being disrespected by you guys and allah will deliver fierce justice to all those who deny him.


but we never put people on a stamp and then abuse him..

who is my competition? i can show a bunch of your stupid posts from yesterday. so please..

No wonder you Hindus will bow in front of any rat,monkey or cow believing them as your gods..
we Muslims are different...

 

[funtoosh]

No wonder you Hindus will bow in front of any rat,monkey or cow believing them as your gods..
we Muslims are different...

oh so you muslims dont bow to any rat monkey or pig, but only specific rat monkey or pigs???

 

[Safriz]

oh so you muslims dont bow to any rat monkey or pig, but only specific rat monkey or pigs???

You know very well where this conversation will go...so better stop your cheap shots here...

Rat temple...Hanumaan the monkey god, Cow as goddess are facts of Hinduism,...in addition to that every other day a new god is invented...India is strewn with hundreds of old and new gods..Thats a fact..
Not my fault if you never leave your-living room and are unaware of all that...