Solving Pakistan's Power Crisis

[omerhhh]

Where are we getting this data from!

The coal reserves list here shows Pakistan at 19th position.

The 2% also looks way over the top.

Sunlight is abundant in so many Asian and African countries and all others that are at similar latitudes.

Can you even imagine the land required to produce 100,000 MW solar energy!

Ok first i made a mistake pak may produce 10,000 mw solar and pak has found huge reserves of coal in the thar project.I don't think that wikapedia is very reliable so......

 

[Jihad]

It simply is a complete disgrace to see power outages across the whole nation almost daily.
Anyone has more details on what's being done to tackle this big issue?

 

[pama]

As far as I Know Pak has large coal reserves but It is of low quality.

 

[Omar1984]

As far as I Know Pak has large coal reserves but It is of low quality.

Indians are such haters. How do you know they are low quality have you examined them?

Just recently Pakistan found huge coal reserves in Thar desert in Sindh. Chinese and Russian experts said Pakistan's coal reserves are just as useful as Saudia Arabia's oil.

Theres a topic posted on Pakistan's coal in this very forum.

Pakistan is rich in natural resources but they are mostly unexploited.

 

[Vinod2070]

Omar it's not a matter of being "haters". Your own Pakistani reports said that the reserves are mostly sub-bituminous and lignite which doesn't come in the category of high grade coal.

It is just a fact and if wrong, please correct it.

 

[Omar1984]

Omar it's not a matter of being "haters". Your own Pakistani reports said that the reserves are mostly sub-bituminous and lignite which doesn't come in the category of high grade coal.

It is just a fact and if wrong, please correct it.

Which Pakistani report says that?

 

[Omar1984]

I'm going to post this article here also because Indians refuse to discuss the topic in coal topic on this very forum.

Focus on Thar coal for power generation


By Khaleeq Kiani

ISLAMABAD, Sept 1: The government has decided to develop the Thar coal for power generation on a priority basis to overcome energy crisis following confirmed estimates that its reserves were equivalent to at least 850 trillion cubic feet (TCF) of gas — about 30 times higher than Pakistan’s proven gas reserves of 28 TCF.

“By using only two per cent of the existing coal reserves, we can generate around 20,000 megawatts for almost 40 years,” deputy chairman of the Planning Commission Dr Akram Sheikh told Dawn after presiding over a meeting on energy security. Coal mining in Thar requires a phased investment of $4 billion.

These estimates were confirmed by separate bankable feasibility studies conducted by Chinese and Russian experts. “We have so much of energy at home but we are looking for imported fuels,” he said, adding an effort was being made to correct the situation.

The studies had also confirmed that 185 billion tons of coal deposits in Pakistan were second only to 247-billion-ton reserves in the United States and much higher than 157 and 115-billion-ton reserves of Russia and China, respectively. Another senior official said the decision to accord top priority to coal was taken because there was no tangible or bankable progress on three proposed gas import pipelines.

Dr Sheikh said Thar coal reserves were equivalent to at least 400 billion barrels of oil — equivalent to oil reserves of Saudi Arabia and Iran put together. One estimate puts Pakistan’s coal energy at 576 billion barrels of oil which is equivalent to combined oil reserves of the three largest producers.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/09/02/top6.htm

 

[Vinod2070]

Which Pakistani report says that?

Pakistan's coal resources -DAWN - Business; 20 September, 2004

This link was posted earlier in this thread.

Coal is primarily classified into four major categories, or 'ranks': lignite, sub-bituminous, bituminous and anthracite. One of the most valuable content of coal is its carbon content which supplies most of its heating value.

However, various other factors as moisture content, ash content and sulphur are also important in determining the rank of a particular coal. Anthracite, is top ranked coal, with highest carbon content that ranges between 86-98 per cent and has a heat value of nearly 15,000 BTUs (British thermal units) per pound.

Bituminous and sub-bituminous 'ranks' of coal are inferior to anthracite. The bituminous variety is used primarily to generate electricity and to make coke for the steel industry.

The discovery of coal in Balochistan during the late 18th century led to its commercial utilization mainly by the North-Western Railways during the colonial regime. At present, our total coal reserves are estimated around 184.5 billion tonnes. which include the lately discovered deposits of low sulphur coal at Thar.

The local coal falls in the lignite and sub-bituminous categories. Coal from Lakhra and Sonda fields of Sindh has relatively higher moisture, sulphur and ash contents.

As opposed to this, Thar coal having an estimated reserves of 184.6 billion tonnes is much superior in quality due to low sulphur content and higher heating value. Well-developed coal-fields are located in Punjab, Balochistan and Sindh.

So it appears you have both low grade and high grade coal.

 

[Omar1984]

Pakistan's coal resources -DAWN - Business; 20 September, 2004

This link was posted earlier in this thread.



So it appears you have both low grade and high grade coal.

Thats old news from 2004 and doesn't mention the Thar project which recently found abundant rich coal..check the news I posted above.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Indians are such haters. How do you know they are low quality have you examined them?

No need for that.

Just counter the other posters point please.

 

[kenchabhai]

Thats old news from 2004 and doesn't mention the Thar project which recently found abundant rich coal..check the news I posted above.

1. Pakistan is claiming reserves from a 1992 survey. The Thar coal reserves were discovered by geological surveys in early 90s.The Pakistani surveyors estimated that the Thar reserves could (hypothetically) contain upto 175.5bn tons of lignite coal based on their exploration.

2. US govt estimates potential Thar reserves to be at 1.9bn(1900mn) tonnes. It also points out that the reserves are at great depth,have a high moisture content and there is a dearth of infrastructure required for its mining.

3. Now lignite is a brown coal, young in age, with a low calorific value (amongst the lowest quality of coal). It cannot achieve high temperatures though can be used to drive steam/thermo powerplants. Fortunately for Pakistan is supposed to be relatively impurity-free for a lignite, hence I am assuming minimal washing and blending with imported coal will be necessary.

4. Recoverable/proven reserves are calculated by their economic viability. For eg. "The Shenhua Group Corp of China is quitting the US$1.5 billion Thar coal project in Pakistan. The Chinese firm has decided to roll back its plan for setting up coal-fired power plants at Thar in the Pakistani province of Sindh. The decision is considered a major setback for the South Asian country, which is facing a serious power shortage......The main reason for the company's withdrawal is the power tariff rate offered by Pakistan, which the Chinese side deemed insufficient to continue power generation."

5. BP and World Energy Council in their 2008 report have actually downgraded Pakistan's coal reserves from 3bn tons to 1.9bn tons. A far cry from 180bn tons claimed by you.

6. Another worrying trend discovered by scientists is that coal reserves may be hugely inflated - a possibility that has profound implications for global energy supply and climate change...... "As scientists, we were surprised to find that so-called proven reserves were anything but proven," says the report's lead author Werner Zittel. "It is a clear sign that something is seriously wrong."

1. prr.hec.gov.pk/Chapters/1870-1.pdf
2. http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Pakistan/Coal.html
3. Lignite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
4. Asia Times Online :: South Asia news - China quits $1.5bn Pakistan coal project
5. BP Global | BP & attached image
6. Lump sums: Global reserves of coal may be rapidly diminishing | Environment | The Guardian

 

[Omar1984]

1. Pakistan is claiming reserves from a 1992 survey. The Thar coal reserves were discovered by geological surveys in early 90s.The Pakistani surveyors estimated that the Thar reserves could (hypothetically) contain upto 175.5bn tons of lignite coal based on their exploration.

2. US govt estimates potential Thar reserves to be at 1.9bn(1900mn) tonnes. It also points out that the reserves are at great depth,have a high moisture content and there is a dearth of infrastructure required for its mining.

3. Now lignite is a brown coal, young in age, with a low calorific value (amongst the lowest quality of coal). It cannot achieve high temperatures though can be used to drive steam/thermo powerplants. Fortunately for Pakistan is supposed to be relatively impurity-free for a lignite, hence I am assuming minimal washing and blending with imported coal will be necessary.

4. Recoverable/proven reserves are calculated by their economic viability. For eg. "The Shenhua Group Corp of China is quitting the US$1.5 billion Thar coal project in Pakistan. The Chinese firm has decided to roll back its plan for setting up coal-fired power plants at Thar in the Pakistani province of Sindh. The decision is considered a major setback for the South Asian country, which is facing a serious power shortage......The main reason for the company's withdrawal is the power tariff rate offered by Pakistan, which the Chinese side deemed insufficient to continue power generation."

5. BP and World Energy Council in their 2008 report have actually downgraded Pakistan's coal reserves from 3bn tons to 1.9bn tons. A far cry from 180bn tons claimed by you.

6. Another worrying trend discovered by scientists is that coal reserves may be hugely inflated - a possibility that has profound implications for global energy supply and climate change...... "As scientists, we were surprised to find that so-called proven reserves were anything but proven," says the report's lead author Werner Zittel. "It is a clear sign that something is seriously wrong."

1. prr.hec.gov.pk/Chapters/1870-1.pdf
2. http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Pakistan/Coal.html
3. Lignite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
4. Asia Times Online :: South Asia news - China quits $1.5bn Pakistan coal project
5. BP Global | BP & attached image
6. Lump sums: Global reserves of coal may be rapidly diminishing | Environment | The Guardian

WOW....you didn't have to go through that much trouble for me
Well I didnt claim Pakistan had 180 billion coal reserve, thats what Chinese and Russian experts said and I dont know why they would lie about it. Its in an article, I didnt write the article and I dont know why anyone would lie about that. What benefit would they get lieing about this?
Anyways, as I said before I'm not keen in reading sources from wikipedia or articles dating 5 years ago.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...coal-can-solve-electricity-crisis-report.html
This thread has recent articles about coal reserves in Pakistan....I didnt know people from other countries were so intersted in learning about Pakistani coal.

 

[omerhhh]

1. Pakistan is claiming reserves from a 1992 survey. The Thar coal reserves were discovered by geological surveys in early 90s.The Pakistani surveyors estimated that the Thar reserves could (hypothetically) contain upto 175.5bn tons of lignite coal based on their exploration.

2. US govt estimates potential Thar reserves to be at 1.9bn(1900mn) tonnes. It also points out that the reserves are at great depth,have a high moisture content and there is a dearth of infrastructure required for its mining.

3. Now lignite is a brown coal, young in age, with a low calorific value (amongst the lowest quality of coal). It cannot achieve high temperatures though can be used to drive steam/thermo powerplants. Fortunately for Pakistan is supposed to be relatively impurity-free for a lignite, hence I am assuming minimal washing and blending with imported coal will be necessary.

4. Recoverable/proven reserves are calculated by their economic viability. For eg. "The Shenhua Group Corp of China is quitting the US$1.5 billion Thar coal project in Pakistan. The Chinese firm has decided to roll back its plan for setting up coal-fired power plants at Thar in the Pakistani province of Sindh. The decision is considered a major setback for the South Asian country, which is facing a serious power shortage......The main reason for the company's withdrawal is the power tariff rate offered by Pakistan, which the Chinese side deemed insufficient to continue power generation."

5. BP and World Energy Council in their 2008 report have actually downgraded Pakistan's coal reserves from 3bn tons to 1.9bn tons. A far cry from 180bn tons claimed by you.

6. Another worrying trend discovered by scientists is that coal reserves may be hugely inflated - a possibility that has profound implications for global energy supply and climate change...... "As scientists, we were surprised to find that so-called proven reserves were anything but proven," says the report's lead author Werner Zittel. "It is a clear sign that something is seriously wrong."

1. prr.hec.gov.pk/Chapters/1870-1.pdf
2. http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Pakistan/Coal.html
3. Lignite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
4. Asia Times Online :: South Asia news - China quits $1.5bn Pakistan coal project
5. BP Global | BP & attached image
6. Lump sums: Global reserves of coal may be rapidly diminishing | Environment | The Guardian

WELL that's alot of info but are you sure its accurate?

 

[omerhhh]

Coal or Oil the fact is that the government needs to tackle this problem quickly or it will or it already has becoma a threat to the already unstable pak economy.

LONG LIVE PAKISTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Musalman]

Indians are such haters. How do you know they are low quality have you examined them?

LOL he is right yaar But that coal can be burned and converted in electricity