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They also say that pak can also produce 10,000 mw of electricity by using solar tech pak is a very lucky country when it comes to sunlight with an average of about 17 hours a day of sunlight.:pakistan:
WILL SOMEONE THANK ME FOR THE INFO?PLEASE!
 
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Why Pakistan is Not putting more Emphasis on Solar and wind Power for producing Electricity.

There are some many points on Indus river where you can put an electric generator of 10 MWs.

And what about the Nuclear power Generation where are the Chinese Nuclear reactors, do they exist on the papers only. I mean there is no more news on this topic, is it still on ?

initial cost of installation is very high and this tech is still not matured enough to implement at wide scale. currently i am working on it. if we could come up with something cheaper with better efficiency then India will be having lot more investor from abroad.


Pakistan has Third Largest Reserves of Coal in the World

Coal Quality is LOW because of too much sulpher in it .

& abt the above 20000 MW

only 2% of coal can generate 20000 MW for 20 Years :D

if that's true then environment pollution is big threat with increasing risk of global warming. Same goes for India that's why India turning towards diversification of sources of energy.
 
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Pakistan has Third Largest Reserves of Coal in the World

Coal Quality is LOW because of too much sulpher in it .

& abt the above 20000 MW

only 2% of coal can generate 20000 MW for 20 Years :D

They also say that pak can also produce 100,000 mw of electricity by using solar tech pak is a very lucky country when it comes to sunlight with an average of about 17 hours a day of sunlight.:pakistan:
WILL SOMEONE THANK ME FOR THE INFO?PLEASE!

Where are we getting this data from!

The coal reserves list here shows Pakistan at 19th position.

The 2% also looks way over the top.

Sunlight is abundant in so many Asian and African countries and all others that are at similar latitudes.

Can you even imagine the land required to produce 100,000 MW solar energy!
 
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And the Iranians cant be trusted, they envy Gwadar Port.

Iranians have not shown themselves capable of honoring their word in terms of even signed contracts.

One should be wary of dealing with them.
 
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initial cost of installation is very high and this tech is still not matured enough to implement at wide scale. currently i am working on it. if we could come up with something cheaper with better efficiency then India will be having lot more investor from abroad.

Beg to differ. Wind power is quite mature. There are wind farms in Europe generating good amounts of energy. Here too, in Canada there are wind farms on the outskirts of the city I live in.

Are you working in a renewable energy co? If so, may I ask what do you do specifically?
 
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Where are we getting this data from!

The coal reserves list here shows Pakistan at 19th position.

The 2% also looks way over the top.

Sunlight is abundant in so many Asian and African countries and all others that are at similar latitudes.

Can you even imagine the land required to produce 100,000 MW solar energy!

wikipedia is not a reliable source anyone can edit and write up anything in wikipedia. Much of Pakistan's coal reserves haven't been exploited. Here read an indian news source:

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's electricity production was nearly 3,000 megawatts short of demand in March. The country made up the difference by turning off
lights, and everything else, for several hours a day.

Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gillani after being sworn in March 25 put the "energy crisis" up with terrorism as a top issue to address during his first 100 days in office. But things will get worse before they get better, Gillani warned, with power outages increasing through June when air conditioners are turned on to beat the heat.

Pakistan is experiencing these shortages despite its miserly electricity use with per-capita consumption of 546-kilowatt hours per year, a fifth of the global average of 2,586-kilowatt hours, according to statistics from the seven-nation South Asia Association for Regional Cooperation.

The problem stems from the fact that Pakistan has failed to build new power plants to keep up with the demand for electricity.

As a result, the poor who are connected to the grid are going without during the nearly four hours of outages that are occurring per day this month. In wealthier neighbourhoods, however, the streets come alive with the sounds of generators.

The power outages have increased generator sales - and their price tags - but have also cooled sales of fans, air conditioners and other appliances with consumers asking why have such devices without the electricity to run them.

A graver concern for the economy is the outages' effects on the industrial sector, which is Pakistan's biggest consumer of electricity, and factories having to shut down during the outages. Police have also reported increased crime during the blackouts in bigger cities.

The blackouts have shed light on many problems, but just as many solutions are on offer.

Of Pakistan's 19,500 megawatts of production capacity, a little more than 60 per cent is from imported oil and domestic natural gas power plants. Hydropower generated from the country's two major dams accounts for about 30 per cent, and its one nuclear power plant produces less than five per cent.

Coal plant production is even less, but that could change if Pakistan exploits what has been estimated as the world's third-largest known coal reserves in the south-eastern part of the country.

"The answer lies in using local coal," Tahir Basharat Cheema with DG Energy Management said in a recent televised debate about the energy crisis.

Cheema suggested the government's Water and Power Development Authority develop coal generation, adding Pakistan cannot "solely depend on the private sector, (which) wants everything developed" for them.


More nuclear plants and dams are other options often put forward while others tout solar and wind power.

Ejaz Ahmad, deputy director of the Pakistani branch of the World Wide Fund For Nature (WWF), said a big part of the answer is blowing in the wind. "It is practical for cost reasons as well as environmental," he said.

With power needed immediately, wind farms look good because they are relatively fast to install whereas dams and nuclear power plants take five to six years to complete and thermal power plants a couple of years at least, he said.

The WWF erected three 500-watt windmills in a rural area of the southwestern province of Sindh. Each windmill cost about $1,000, including installation, and provides electricity to homes that never had it before.

"It's a small project to show wind works," Amad said.

Real small - the country would need at least six million more of those windmills to meet the electricity shortfalls it is experiencing in early April.

The windmills are in the region of Pakistan's coal reserves, which Amad warned would be a political as well as environmental disaster if they are mined.

"The winds blow to India, so the pollution would blow into India, and that would cause political problems," he said. Harvest that wind instead, he suggested.

Professor Irfan Younas with the Institute of Information Technology in Rawalpindi agreed wind should play a big part of solving Pakistan's energy shortages, adding that comprehensive wind maps have already been researched in the country.

"Karachi's energy problem could be answered with wind energy," he said of Pakistan's biggest city of about 15 million people on the southern coast, where there are consistent breezes all year.

Cost-effectiveness attracted Younas to both wind and solar energy, he said, but added that in the long-term, Pakistan should also build more nuclear plants and dams.

"There is money to be made, no doubt about it," he said. "We need people to come and invest in independent power producers here."

"We are at the point that people really need to act," he said.
Pakistan searches for solution to power shortages- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times
 
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Pakistan is blessed with so many natural resources.
Why ask a country like Iran which really cant be trusted.

Hi Omar,
How come trust is an issue in this senario.
They said they will sell electricity to Pakistan and it is pure ecnomics.
Are you thinking that they will take our money and will not supply us with electricity! Have you wonder after investing so much money than why would they back out?
Only, problem is that we simply don't buy gas from Iran?
there are many ways pakistan can generate electricity but it all depends on politicians and kickbacks.
 
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Omar1984, do share an authentic source for your claims that proves Pakistan has the third largest coal reserves. That is not what I have seen anywhere else except claims by some Pakistanis.

Wiki is a good source for finding facts and is peer reviewed. But if you have an alternate source, you can share that.
 
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I suggest Pakistan invest further in Nuclear energy and build Nuclear power plants throughout each of the 4 provinces and including Azad Kashmir, obviously most of them must be built in Punjab (province with the largest population in need of energy)...


Also Pakistan should tap into off shore oil reserves and start drilling for what maybe large oil reserves off the Makran coast.
 
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Omar1984, do share an authentic source for your claims that proves Pakistan has the third largest coal reserves. That is not what I have seen anywhere else except claims by some Pakistanis.

Wiki is a good source for finding facts and is peer reviewed. But if you have an alternate source, you can share that.

So you dont think Indian news is authentic?

To learn about coal in Pakistan go to this thread http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...al-can-solve-electricity-crisis-report-3.html



By the way, wikipedia is not authentic, my 11 year old cousin edited some stuff in wikipedia before and its still there.
 
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So you dont think Indian news is authentic?

To learn about coal in Pakistan go to this thread http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...al-can-solve-electricity-crisis-report-3.html

It's not that. It was just a small part of a report in a newspaper. I would prefer something that explicitly ranks the countries in terms of their coal reserves.

I would try to find some source other than Wiki. Please don't think that I have anything against Pakistan being number 3 or even number 1 in coal reserves. I just want to ascertain the facts.

By the way, wikipedia is not authentic, my 11 year old cousin edited some stuff in wikipedia before and its still there.

Yes, it should not be used for "scholarly research" but is a good enough source on most facts that are easily verified. The mineral resources of countries would fall in that category. But yes, it may surely have factual errors at times.

Are you saying that your cousins editing of Wiki made it non-authentic? ;)

May be he did have something good to share and contribute.
 
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Power crisis in Pakistan is not due to shortage in power production capacity infact it is due to the circular debt situation Pakistan is facing. The main culprit is Wapda. You see due to large scale corruption in WAPDA and lots a lots of line losses. WAPDA is unable to pay PSO, Gas Companies for the fuel it uses to produce electrcity. WAPDA is unable to pay to IPPs who inturn has stop producing electricity.
Power crisis can only be resolved by following steps:
Efficiency Accountability in public institutions not just the financial one.
Govt should step in to pay dues by WAPDA
Public should be educated that its a sin to steel electricity, steeling create unemployment in the long run.

Cheap source of energy should be used in future projects i.e. hydel and coal fired etc
 
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Pakistan Coal reserves as per Pak estimates in mn tons
Measured Indicated Interred Hypothetical Total
4,008 12,113 87,189 81,144 184,575

ie Pakistan has 4bn tons of proven coal reserves. What is actual amount of coal recoverable from new fields will be determinable once production starts.

As per BP Statistical review of world, Pakistan has 3bn tons of proven coal reserves and all its reserves are of the lowest quality ie lignite and sub-bituminous type.

The top 5 coal reserves belong to US, Russia, China, India and Australia in descending order.
references:
Pakistan's coal resources -DAWN - Business; 20 September, 2004
World coal production forecasts including coal reserves
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...tistical_review_full_report_workbook_2007.xls
 
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Pakistan Coal reserves as per Pak estimates in mn tons
Measured Indicated Interred Hypothetical Total
4,008 12,113 87,189 81,144 184,575

ie Pakistan has 4bn tons of proven coal reserves. What is actual amount of coal recoverable from new fields will be determinable once production starts.

As per BP Statistical review of world, Pakistan has 3bn tons of proven coal reserves and all its reserves are of the lowest quality ie lignite and sub-bituminous type.

The top 5 coal reserves belong to US, Russia, China, India and Australia in descending order.
references:
Pakistan's coal resources -DAWN - Business; 20 September, 2004
World coal production forecasts including coal reserves
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...tistical_review_full_report_workbook_2007.xls

These are old news from 2004. Recently Pakistan just started the Thar Coal Project and found huge reserves of coal. Check current news, not news from few years back.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...coal-can-solve-electricity-crisis-report.html
 
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Beg to differ. Wind power is quite mature. There are wind farms in Europe generating good amounts of energy. Here too, in Canada there are wind farms on the outskirts of the city I live in.

Are you working in a renewable energy co? If so, may I ask what do you do specifically?

actually wind energy is for places where wind blows full year otherwise you wont able to recover the installation cost. it's not suitable for every place that why it cant be a source of large production but a good alternative.

i am working on high efficiency of solar sells also affordable. basically it has to do with silicon as well as fusion with cesium, far from conventional idea,can't tell you more then that but i hope it goes well then believe me energy crisis will become an anecdote. :cheers:
 
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